Meldrum Takes it Up a Notch - Revolutionizes Science Itself

[pogi]

11 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Poor Elijah really had egg on his face after mocking Baal and his priests. Such an unproductive use of his time.

Well, since Baal was mocked, I guess we can ignore the following scriptures and counsel:

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… is there one among you that doth make a mock of his brother, or that heapeth upon him persecutions? Woe unto such an one, for he is not prepared, and the time is at hand that he must repent or he cannot be saved!" (Alma 5:30–31.)

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Just as God will not be mocked, so will he not have his children mock one another.

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"A proud man is always looking down on things and people; and, of course, as long as you are looking down, you cannot see something that is above you." (C. S. Lewis, Mere Christianity, Macmillan Paperbacks, New York, 1960, p. 96.)

Mocking without providing a sound rebuttal really does make the mocker and not the mocked look "illegitimate".  Not to mention, it is just not nice.

 

 

[The Nehor]

16 minutes ago, thesometimesaint said:

But but I read it on the internets, it must be true.

Thinking like this gave us our new God-Emperor Trump.  

[The Nehor]

6 minutes ago, pogi said:

Well, since Baal was mocked, I guess we can ignore the following scriptures and counsel:

Mocking without providing a sound rebuttal really does make the mocker and not the mocked look "illegitimate".  Not to mention, it is just not nice.

 

 

It is less nice to hawk fake science to religious people to get gain and glory. If mockery makes people less likely to be victims I am all for it and I think it does.

[ERayR]

19 minutes ago, thesometimesaint said:

But but I read it on the internets, it must be true.

But but I read it on the internets heard it from thesometimesaint, it must be true. 

[ERayR]

6 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Thinking like this gave us our new God-Emperor Trump.  

Look on the bright side, it kept us from having the graft and corruption goddess Hillary. 

[Gray]

7 minutes ago, ERayR said:

Look on the bright side, it kept us from having the graft and corruption goddess Hillary. 

Thank goodness we didn't elect a corrupt person!

[ERayR]

27 minutes ago, Gray said:

Thank goodness we didn't elect a corrupt person!

One must take solace where one finds it. 

[pogi]

47 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

It is less nice to hawk fake science to religious people to get gain and glory. If mockery makes people less likely to be victims I am all for it and I think it does.

Yes, and shooting someone is "less nice" than beating the crap out of someone for no reason...but that doesn't make it right.

Have you ever read the book How to Win Friend and Influencee People?  Mockery is not an effective way to influence people.

I think mockery actually has the tendency to create more victims.  Without providing solid evidence, mockery just makes other people dig in their heels even harder.  Donald Trump's mockery did nothing to convince those who disagree with him, it simply polarized the situation even worse.  Provided a sound and reasonable argument without mockery, you are much more likely to make friends and influence people from becoming victims of illegitimate science and books.

Alma 5:30-31 is still true, regardless of how effective you think mocking is.   

Edited November 29, 2016 by pogi

[The Nehor]

40 minutes ago, pogi said:

Yes, and shooting someone is "less nice" than beating the crap out of someone for no reason...but that doesn't make it right.

Have you ever read the book How to Win Friend and Influencee People?  Mockery is not an effective way to influence people.

I think mockery actually has the tendency to create more victims.  Without providing solid evidence, mockery just makes other people dig in their heels even harder.  Donald Trump's mockery did nothing to convince those who disagree with him, it simply polarized the situation even worse.  Provided a sound and reasonable argument without mockery, you are much more likely to make friends and influence people from becoming victims of illegitimate science and books.

Alma 5:30-31 is still true, regardless of how effective you think mocking is.   

I am not trying to make friends or influence these people. Just their potential victims.

[ERayR]

12 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

I am not trying to make friends or influence these people. Just their potential victims.

Yep.  I am with you on that.

[pogi]

24 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

I am not trying to make friends or influence these people. Just their potential victims.

A lay person is presented with two arguments, one is a large, detailed book full of evidences that speak to their religious beliefs, the other is the empty mocking of some dude named Nehor (a practitioner of priest craft) with the image of some creepy dinosaur looking thingy on a Mormon chat-forum.  Which one is he more likely to fall victim to?

Edited November 29, 2016 by pogi

[waveslider]

23 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Climate change deniers got professionals to fight them and all it did was convince people that it is still an open question and we get endless pointless debates about it. When quack science is this far fetched mockery is the better antidote. You do not want to convey legitimacy

While I have no reason to believe the UM, your claim here in trying to debunk it doesn't help much when you realize that the alleged, "Climate change deniers," don't actually deny climate change. They deny that the Earth is warming because of greenhouse gasses. When all the failed predictions of, "Global Warming," came up short, it was then that the mainstream started calling it, "Climate Change," in lieu of calling it, "Global Warming." It hasn't helped much that mainstream organizations like NOAA actually change their data in fraudulent attempts at trying to prove Global Warming, and even with the false data virtually all their predictions for the past 20 years have still failed.

Note that there are no thermometers and not temperature stations in these two areas that show record heat!

 

 

Here is data from remote sensing systems showing pretty much normal temperatures in those areas on land where NOAA lied to make it look like record heat. Also note that they lied about the ocean temperatures as well.

 

So the next time you want to debunk fake science perhaps you should first check into the so called, "real," science. That said I do find the UM suspect because it costs money to even see what's inside when they haven't even tried to get published in something like Nature, where publications can be peer reviewed.

 

Edited November 29, 2016 by waveslider
Had to take out an extra word

[Gray]

34 minutes ago, pogi said:

A lay person is presented with two arguments, one is a large, detailed book full of evidences that speak to their religious beliefs, the other is the empty mocking of some dude named Nehor (a practitioner of priest craft) with the image of some creepy dinosaur looking thingy on a Mormon chat-forum.  Which one is he more likely to fall victim to?

The Nehor is The Nehor. There is no changing The Nehor. The Nehor, he is like the wind, or the sea. 

Edited November 29, 2016 by Gray

[The Nehor]

46 minutes ago, pogi said:

A lay person is presented with two arguments, one is a large, detailed book full of evidences that speak to their religious beliefs, the other is the empty mocking of some dude named Nehor (a practitioner of priest craft) with the image of some creepy dinosaur looking thingy on a Mormon chat-forum.  Which one is he more likely to fall victim to?

A lay person is presented with two arguments. One is the current religion of his fathers with history and power behind it. It is respectable and comforting. On the other hand you have a vagrant who mocks your religious leaders as hell-bound hypocrites. Which are they more likely to fall for? I am in decent company.

I fully expect many people to fall for Meldrum's silliness in spite of my spirited opposition on a minor message board. I am unlikely to bring down the Meldrum hookum. I already failed on bringing down Scientology so my track record is not good.

It is like my old days as a missionary only less important. Still a few may listen and fall for my obvious charm and self-evident brilliance. 

[cinepro]

21 hours ago, Calm said:

"New questions about what to me was ' settled science ' concerning the make up of the earth's core"

Cfr please.

Fingers crossed that it's the Lost Tribes...

 

[The Nehor]

24 minutes ago, waveslider said:

While I have no reason to believe the UM, your claim here in trying to debunk it doesn't help much when you realize that the alleged, "Climate change deniers," don't actually deny climate change. They deny that the Earth is warming because of greenhouse gasses. When all the failed predictions of, "Global Warming," came up short, it was then that the mainstream started calling it, "Climate Change," in lieu of calling it, "Global Warming." It hasn't helped much that mainstream organizations like NOAA actually change their data in fraudulent attempts at trying to prove Global Warming, and even with the false data virtually all their predictions for the past 20 years have still failed.

Note that there are no thermometers and not temperature stations in these two areas that show record heat!

 

 

Here is data from remote sensing systems showing pretty much normal temperatures in those areas on land where NOAA lied to make it look like record heat. Also note that they lied about the ocean temperatures as well.

 

So the next time you want to debunk fake science perhaps you should first check into the so called, "real," science. That said I do find the UM suspect because it costs money to even see what's inside when they haven't even tried to get published in something like Nature, where publications can be peer reviewed.

 

We already had this discussion. Pretty sure you lost. In any case I would rather this thread get locked on its own merits and not due to a silly derail.

[Calm]

2 hours ago, pogi said:

A lay person is presented with two arguments, one is a large, detailed book full of evidences that speak to their religious beliefs, the other is the empty mocking of some dude named Nehor (a practitioner of priest craft) with the image of some creepy dinosaur looking thingy on a Mormon chat-forum. 

Actually what they are presented with is a purchase of $80 that pays for a book that claims to be full of evidences.  Whether it actually has those or not is unknown at this point.

[Calm]

2 hours ago, Gray said:

The Nehor is The Nehor. There is no changing The Nehor. The Nehor, he is like the wind, or the sea. 

Perfect.

[Calm]

Btw, if Meldrum is involved as one of the scientific researchers for the text (he is not mentioned at all on the UM website that I have found, Sessions appears to not be giving any real credit for the discoveries save to himself, despite the claim of many being involved), it does not give the least credibility to it given his work would have been prior to his discussion of various scientific papers and findings, including DNA, which he butchers (one cannot claim scientific support for one's position while denouncing the methods used to measure those findings, for example).  Unless somehow he has lost scientific knowledge and skills, he is not an asset to such work given his current misunderstanding of most of the science he deals with.  He may be a perfectly nice guy (don't know him well enough to say), but he is not a scientist or a credible scientific researcher.

See here for critical analysis of his previous work:

http://www.fairmormon.org/reviews-of-dna-evidence-for-book-of-mormon-geography

Edited November 29, 2016 by Calm

[pogi]

45 minutes ago, Calm said:

Actually what they are presented with is a purchase of $80 that pays for a book that claims to be full of evidences.  Whether it actually has those or not is unknown at this point.

I don't suspect that the guy has anything of substance to offer, but I don't doubt he has "evidence" to support his claims...I guess I am just feeling sensitive to mocking in general as of late, especially after this long and brutal election season, I just find it tasteless and unhelpful.  Trump has really gone and ruined mocking for me.   

Edited November 29, 2016 by pogi

[The Nehor]

3 hours ago, Gray said:

The Nehor is The Nehor. There is no changing The Nehor. The Nehor, he is like the wind, or the sea. 

[waveslider]

7 hours ago, The Nehor said:

We already had this discussion. Pretty sure you lost. In any case I would rather this thread get locked on its own merits and not due to a silly derail.

I don't know how I lost when I was the only one putting out up to date data. But I won't derail this thread, just get ready for some really cold winters ahead.

[The Nehor]

53 minutes ago, waveslider said:

I don't know how I lost when I was the only one putting out up to date data. But I won't derail this thread, just get ready for some really cold winters ahead.

Winter has still not shown up here.

[waveslider]

39 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Winter has still not shown up here.

Where is here? Because it is showing up in most parts of the mainland U.S. as we speak.

[The Nehor]

38 minutes ago, waveslider said:

Where is here? Because it is showing up in most parts of the mainland U.S. as we speak.

Texas. It is usually much cooler then this by now. I am told to expect it to cool down later this week.

And no, I am not suggesting that this reflects global norms. There will always be outliers. Europe's mini-ice age several centuries back may have made it colder in Europe and influenced the local ecology and humans but the effect on global averages was minimal as Europe is a small part of the world.