Dear Evangelical Friends: Can A Mormon Be A Christian?

[danielwoods]

God has declared it to his prophets. Disagree all you want but it will not change truth.

Like I said it's not taught. There is no teaching that states, this was your immortal pre-existent life.

Instead we find that we began on Earth. Adam became a living being, before that, not living or being. Statements from Jesus you are from below (the Earth) I am from above (Heaven). No where is there anything that contradicts this teaching in the Biblical text.

 

There is a difference between declaring a temple will be rebuilt, and a specific person making a specific choice or choices. If a person is created to make a specific choice, that is pre-programming- God does not work that way.

If God knows what people will do (Choosing to rebuild a temple, birth of Christ, etc.)how is that different from knowing what choices anyone would make? Aren't those also choices?

[Vance]

Really???

CFR

Crickets chirping.

Because, once again, Daniel made a claim that he can't support.

[Vance]

Like I said it's not taught. There is no teaching that states, this was your immortal pre-existent life.

Abraham 3:22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones;

23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born.

24 And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell; 25 And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them;

26 And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever.

27 And the Lord said: Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me. And another answered and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord said: I will send the first.

28 And the second was angry, and kept not his first estate; and, at that day, many followed after him.

And,

Moses 3:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew. For I, the Lord God, created all things, of which I have spoken, spiritually, before they were naturally upon the face of the earth. For I, the Lord God, had not caused it to rain upon the face of the earth. And I, the Lord God, had created all the children of men; and not yet a man to till the ground; for in heaven created I them; and there was not yet flesh upon the earth, neither in the water, neither in the air;

So, yeah, it is taught.

[danielwoods]

You must of missed it…

Vance, on 13 Nov 2014 - 12:19 PM, said:

Really???

CFR

Luke 20:34 Jesus replied, “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, 36 and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection."

 

In the resurrection, we will be like the angels, but currently we are not like them.

[danielwoods]

Abraham 3:22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones;

23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born.

24 And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell; 25 And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them;

26 And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever.

27 And the Lord said: Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me. And another answered and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord said: I will send the first.

28 And the second was angry, and kept not his first estate; and, at that day, many followed after him.

And,

Moses 3:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew. For I, the Lord God, created all things, of which I have spoken, spiritually, before they were naturally upon the face of the earth. For I, the Lord God, had not caused it to rain upon the face of the earth. And I, the Lord God, had created all the children of men; and not yet a man to till the ground; for in heaven created I them; and there was not yet flesh upon the earth, neither in the water, neither in the air;

So, yeah, it is taught.

Not in the Biblical Texts. I am not disputing that it's taught by the LDS.

[Vance]

Luke 20:34 Jesus replied, “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, 36 and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection."

 

In the resurrection, we will be like the angels, but currently we are not like them.

LOL!!!!

Yup I missed. Because Jesus didn't actually say what you attributed to him.

What is actually saying is that they are "EQUAL" to the angels. In other words angels and people/humans ARE THE SAME!!!

American Standard Version

for neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Bible in Basic English

And death has no more power over them, for they are equal to the angels, and are sons of God, being of those who will come back from the dead.

Douay-Rheims

Neither can they die any more for they are equal to the angels and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

English Standard Version

for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

GOD'S WORD Translation

nor die anymore. They are the same as the angels. They are God's children who have come back to life.

King James Version

Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

New King James Version

nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Revised Standard Version

for they cannot die any more, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

The Darby Translation

for neither can they die any more, for they are equal to angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

The Webster Bible

Neither can they die any more: for they are equal to the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Third Millennium Bible

neither can they die any more; for they are equal unto the angels and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Tyndale

nor yet can dye eny moare. For they are equall vnto the angels: and are the sonnes of God in as moche as they are the chyldre of the resurreccion.

Wycliffe

neither they shall be able to die more; for they be even with angels, and be the sons of God, since they be the sons of the rising again from death [since they be the sons of rising again].

So, again, you are without Biblical support for your claims.

[danielwoods]

LOL!!!!

Yup I missed. Because Jesus didn't actually say what you attributed to him.

What is actually saying is that they are "EQUAL" to the angels. In other words angels and people/humans ARE THE SAME!!!

American Standard Version

for neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Bible in Basic English

And death has no more power over them, for they are equal to the angels, and are sons of God, being of those who will come back from the dead.

Douay-Rheims

Neither can they die any more for they are equal to the angels and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

English Standard Version

for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

GOD'S WORD Translation

nor die anymore. They are the same as the angels. They are God's children who have come back to life.

King James Version

Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

New King James Version

nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Revised Standard Version

for they cannot die any more, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

The Darby Translation

for neither can they die any more, for they are equal to angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

The Webster Bible

Neither can they die any more: for they are equal to the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Third Millennium Bible

neither can they die any more; for they are equal unto the angels and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Tyndale

nor yet can dye eny moare. For they are equall vnto the angels: and are the sonnes of God in as moche as they are the chyldre of the resurreccion.

Wycliffe

neither they shall be able to die more; for they be even with angels, and be the sons of God, since they be the sons of the rising again from death [since they be the sons of rising again].

So, again, you are without Biblical support for your claims.

Like I said

In the resurrection, we will be like the angels, but currently we are not like them.

[Flyonthewall]

Like I said it's not taught. There is no teaching that states, this was your immortal pre-existent life.

Instead we find that we began on Earth. Adam became a living being, before that, not living or being. Statements from Jesus you are from below (the Earth) I am from above (Heaven). No where is there anything that contradicts this teaching in the Biblical text.

You are right. The bible does not state: "This is your pre-mortal existence".

The bible refers to our pre-mortal existence but is readily denied. So be it for you.

 

If God knows what people will do (Choosing to rebuild a temple, birth of Christ, etc.)how is that different from knowing what choices anyone would make? Aren't those also choices?

They are not choices in the same way. Anyone could build a temple, so a temple being built isn't hard to do. It wasn't Mary's choice to give birth to Christ - she did not seek God out for the task, but was selected by God for it.

To know that someone that does not exist, will make a specific choice, can only be the result of pre-programming.

To know that someone you have known for an eternity will make a specific choice is foreknowledge.

[Flyonthewall]

Like I said

But, to use your tactic... the biblical text does not say "angels are not pre-mortal or post mortal men"... But in fact it does say that an angel is the same as a man.

This is what the Angel that gave the revelations to John told him: " 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

The angel was a man, a fellowservant and of John's brethren that have the testimony of Jesus.

Direct, specific language. Though I am sure you will find a reason why the text does not mean what it says.

[teddyaware]

But, to use your tactic... the biblical text does not say "angels are not pre-mortal or post mortal men"... But in fact it does say that an angel is the same as a man.

This is what the Angel that gave the revelations to John told him: " 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

The angel was a man, a fellowservant and of John's brethren that have the testimony of Jesus.

Direct, specific language. Though I am sure you will find a reason why the text does not mean what it says.

 

Chapter 22 of the Book of Revelation makes it even more clear that the Apostle John's angelic guide was once a man on earth because the angel tells John that he (the angel) is numbered among the prophets of God and that as one of John's 'fellowservants'and 'brethren' the angel is also numbered among those who obey the Gospel as presented in the Book of Revelation:

 

8 And I John saw these things, and heard them And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

 9 Then saith he unto me, see thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. (Revelation 22)

 

And what is entailed in order for one to be found numbered among those who keep the sayings of the Book of Revelation? Well, among many, here are just 3 very pertinent sayings in the Book of Revelation that one must keep: 

 

1) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the firstbegotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, (Revelation 1:5)

 

It would seem that in order to keep the above saying from the Book of Revelation, one must be among those who are subject to the fall and choose to obtain mercy by means of the cleansing power of the blood of Christ.

 

2) And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; (Revelation 5:9)

 

It also seems that in order to keep this saying of the Book of Revelation one must be found among those who avail themselves of the redeeming blood of Christ out at least one of the nations of this fallen earth.

 

3) And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. (Revelation 7:13-14)

 

According to the above 2 verses, one who keeps the sayings of the Book of Revelation must be fallen because he or she has need to "wash their robes" white in the blood of Christ.

 

And so that their will be no room for misunderstanding and 'twisting' of the scriptures, in Revelation 6 the expressions "fellowservant" and "brethren" (as used by the Angel when referring to himself in Revelation 22:9) most definitely refer to those who have served God on this fallen earth:

 

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed, as they were, should be fulfilled. (Revelation 6)

Edited November 15, 2014 by teddyaware

[3DOP]

I find it rather ironic that our Protestant brethren so vehemently reject the apostolic authority of the Catholic Church while so vehemently accepting/defending so many of the doctrines determined/defined by the Catholic Church after the disappearance of the Apostles, specifically the doctrine of the Trinity.

 

Sure Vance. I cannot agree more. This is why I don't have the slightest problem with Mormons being critical of the Nicene Trinity. I said above, (perhaps too strongly as you pointed out) I think there is an historical need for the Council of Nicea to have erred, in order that the Joseph Smith Restoration have more credibility. It would just seem odd to me if the Restoration was true, and so was the apostate Council of Nicea.

 

The Protestants try to move the apostasy forward. But the Fathers don't sound like Protestants to me. Shortly after Nicea, veneration of the Mother of God becomes more pronounced and the primacy of the Roman bishop is made clearer. The Church already taught what the Reformers hated about Rome. If I were looking for a Restoration/Reformation it would not be among those who deny the authority of the Council of Nicea while accepting its precepts. I only believe in it because I believe that God teaches it through His Holy Church.

 

Don't get the idea that I am troubled about the Trinity just because I admit I don't comprehend it. I love what I consider to be the revealed truths as well as the unrevealed mysteries of the Blessed Trinity, more and more, the more I grow in faith. The Traditional Mass is where I see the teachings of the Church on the Holy Trinity at its most exquisite. But I don't think I could ever have figured it out with just a Bible and no tradition or teaching church to help guide me. Accepting the Nicene Trinity is in my opinion, impossible on the "authority" of Scripture alone. 

[ERayR]

Not in the Biblical Texts. I am not disputing that it's taught by the LDS.

 

Isn't it great the LDS are not limited by the practice of Bibliolatry?

[Vance]

Sure Vance. I cannot agree more. This is why I don't have the slightest problem with Mormons being critical of the Nicene Trinity. I said above, (perhaps too strongly as you pointed out) I think there is an historical need for the Council of Nicea to have erred, in order that the Joseph Smith Restoration have more credibility. It would just seem odd to me if the Restoration was true, and so was the apostate Council of Nicea.

I see where you are coming from. Except for some nuance, I agree.

 

The Protestants try to move the apostasy forward. But the Fathers don't sound like Protestants to me. Shortly after Nicea, veneration of the Mother of God becomes more pronounced and the primacy of the Roman bishop is made clearer. The Church already taught what the Reformers hated about Rome. If I were looking for a Restoration/Reformation it would not be among those who deny the authority of the Council of Nicea while accepting its precepts.

I totally agree. That is why I could never be a Protestant.

I only believe in it because I believe that God teaches it through His Holy Church.

This, I understand. If the Catholic Church has God's authority, then what it teaches is God's will, regardless how it aligns with scripture. And if it doesn't have God's authority, then everything produced by it is suspect, including the doctrine of the Trinity. Our Protestant brethren don't seem to get that.

 

Don't get the idea that I am troubled about the Trinity just because I admit I don't comprehend it. I love what I consider to be the revealed truths as well as the unrevealed mysteries of the Blessed Trinity, more and more, the more I grow in faith. The Traditional Mass is where I see the teachings of the Church on the Holy Trinity at its most exquisite.

Even though I think the Catholic Church is apostate, I do believe that many of their traditions come down from the New Testament church relatively unchanged.

But I don't think I could ever have figured it out with just a Bible and no tradition or teaching church to help guide me.

I think it is near impossible for one who has been inculcated in their youth to really read the Bible without prejudice.

Accepting the Nicene Trinity is in my opinion, impossible on the "authority" of Scripture alone.

I agree 100%.

That is why I don't get the "sola scriptura" crowd so vehemently accepting and defending it.

[Vance]

Angels are men. The Bible says so.

Gen 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant’s house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

4 ¶ But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.

10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.

[teddyaware]

Angels are men. The Bible says so.

 

 Good post Vance! Game winning swish! 

 

By the way, which of the two gentlemen are you in the photo? The one on the left or right?

[danielwoods]

You are right. The bible does not state: "This is your pre-mortal existence".

The bible refers to our pre-mortal existence but is readily denied. So be it for you.

Not really a reference to our pre-mortal state because it doesn't say that. It actually doesn't teach that we had a pre-mortal state.

 

They are not choices in the same way. Anyone could build a temple, so a temple being built isn't hard to do. It wasn't Mary's choice to give birth to Christ - she did not seek God out for the task, but was selected by God for it.

To know that someone that does not exist, will make a specific choice, can only be the result of pre-programming.

To know that someone you have known for an eternity will make a specific choice is foreknowledge.

The God as taught in the biblical text, knows all, past, present, future, right now. No need to pre-program if one knows what will happen.

[danielwoods]

But, to use your tactic... the biblical text does not say "angels are not pre-mortal or post mortal men"... But in fact it does say that an angel is the same as a man.

This is what the Angel that gave the revelations to John told him: " 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

The angel was a man, a fellowservant and of John's brethren that have the testimony of Jesus.

Direct, specific language. Though I am sure you will find a reason why the text does not mean what it says.

Actually it doesn't say, "that an angel is the same as a man."

They are fellow servants, yes.

[danielwoods]

Chapter 22 of the Book of Revelation makes it even more clear that the Apostle John's angelic guide was once a man on earth because the angel tells John that he (the angel) is numbered among the prophets of God and that as one of John's 'fellowservants'and 'brethren' the angel is also numbered among those who obey the Gospel as presented in the Book of Revelation:

 

8 And I John saw these things, and heard them And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

 9 Then saith he unto me, see thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. (Revelation 22)

 

And what is entailed in order for one to be found numbered among those who keep the sayings of the Book of Revelation? Well, among many, here are just 3 very pertinent sayings in the Book of Revelation that one must keep: 

 

1) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the firstbegotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, (Revelation 1:5)

 

It would seem that in order to keep the above saying from the Book of Revelation, one must be among those who are subject to the fall and choose to obtain mercy by means of the cleansing power of the blood of Christ.

 

2) And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; (Revelation 5:9)

 

It also seems that in order to keep this saying of the Book of Revelation one must be found among those who avail themselves of the redeeming blood of Christ out at least one of the nations of this fallen earth.

 

3) And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. (Revelation 7:13-14)

 

According to the above 2 verses, one who keeps the sayings of the Book of Revelation must be fallen because he or she has need to "wash their robes" white in the blood of Christ.

 

And so that their will be no room for misunderstanding and 'twisting' of the scriptures, in Revelation 6 the expressions "fellowservant" and "brethren" (as used by the Angel when referring to himself in Revelation 22:9) most definitely refer to those who have served God on this fallen earth:

 

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed, as they were, should be fulfilled. (Revelation 6)

 

Unfortunately, the reference to people who washed their robes are not angels, rather they are people who lived on earth. There's no reference that states that angels once lived on the earth, and were redeemed, and are now angels. In fact, there's no reference at all that states that angels can be redeemed. We are fellow servants, yes. 

[danielwoods]

Isn't it great the LDS are not limited by the practice of Bibliolatry?

 

That's great! Neither do evangelicals. 

[danielwoods]

Angels are men. The Bible says so.

 

 

They can appear as men that is true. They can also do things that men can't do. 

[teddyaware]

Unfortunately, the reference to people who washed their robes are not angels, rather they are people who lived on earth. There's no reference that states that angels once lived on the earth, and were redeemed, and are now angels. In fact, there's no reference at all that states that angels can be redeemed. We are fellow servants, yes. 

 

Did you read my post or just skim through it? The whole point of my post was to show that the angelic guide, who appeared to John, told John not to worship him because he (the angel) was not God but was one of John's fellow prophets and, like John's other faithful Christian brethren, a keeper of the Christ-centered sayings in the Book of Revelation. So what happened here is similar to what happened when Moses and Elijah appeared to John as heavenly messengers on the Mount of Transfiguration. Why would the angel have to keep the Christ-centered sayings of the Book of Revelation if he was never subject to the fall?

 

... see thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: 

 

So the angel was a prophet who kept the sayings of the Book of Revelation, clearly demonstrating that this angel, like Moses and Elijah, was once a mortal man.

Edited November 17, 2014 by teddyaware

[Flyonthewall]

Actually it doesn't say, "that an angel is the same as a man."

They are fellow servants, yes.

Did you miss the "and of thy brethren..."?

Angels are men. They are not shape shifting beings... the stuff that science fiction is made up of, but simple, straight forward, fellow servants, and brethren of John. A man on an errand of God, given power and authority to deliver the message or fulfill the duty assigned.

[danielwoods]

Did you read my post or just skim through it? The whole point of my post was to show that the angelic guide, who appeared to John, told John not to worship him because he (the angel) was not God but was one of John's fellow prophets and, like John's other faithful Christian brethren, a keeper of the Christ-centered sayings in the Book of Revelation. So what happened here is similar to what happened when Moses and Elijah appeared to John as heavenly messengers on the Mount of Transfiguration. Why would the angel have to keep the Christ-centered sayings of the Book of Revelation if he was never subject to the fall?

 

... see thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: 

 

So the angel was a prophet who kept the sayings of the Book of Revelation, clearly demonstrating that this angel, like Moses and Elijah, was once a mortal man.

 

Ok, your claim is that this angel is one of John's fellow prophets. 

 

Is that what is stated? 

 

"I am a fellow servant..."  -   Nope , he didn't say he was a fellow prophet here. 

 

"I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets..." - Nope, not here either. Notice instead of saying he was a fellow prophet, he states that he's a fellow servant of John's brethren, not his own brethren.

"I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book."  - Not here either, and notice that the angel is describing a third group of people, not himself, but a third group of people, "those who heed the words of this book."

 

So, your conclusion isn't actually based on what is stated in the text, because from the text, all one can say is that this angel is a fellow servant with John, the prophets , and those who heed the words of this book. 

 

It doesn't say he's a prophet, or a fellow brethren or fellow prophet, or that he even keeps the words of this book (implying that he's not human). 

[danielwoods]

Did you miss the "and of thy brethren..."?

Angels are men. They are not shape shifting beings... the stuff that science fiction is made up of, but simple, straight forward, fellow servants, and brethren of John. A man on an errand of God, given power and authority to deliver the message or fulfill the duty assigned.

 

Sorry, but the text doesn't state that the angel is the same as John, as a brother would be. What is says is that the angel is a fellow servant, with John and John's brothers (the prophets) and all those who heed the words of this book. This statement doesn't indicate what the nature of an angel is, it does imply however, that he's not subject to needing to heed "the words of this book" which would be expected from someone who never needed to be redeemed. 

[coolrok7]

Correct Daniel, Hebrews 2:16 explains the nature of angels and that Jesus was made a little lower than the angels and took on our nature of flesh and blood (2:14) so that He could suffer death as a servant (Phillipians 2:7-eight).

Edited November 18, 2014 by coolrok7