Elder Dallin H. Oaks Said Global Warming Is Serious

[MormonFreeThinker]

Elder Oaks worries about "global warming, wars and rumors of wars, drought" and said "But as serious as all this is"

Full Context

"Every day we are assaulted with big worries: global warming, wars and rumors of wars, drought, a possible pandemic of some infectious disease, and a possible recession. Seacoast cities are worrying about the rising level of the ocean, which will bring ocean tides to their doorsteps or over the thresholds. But as serious as all this is, I worry more about the rising tide of evil in the world around us"

 

Not politics, just sharing what a General Authority said. 

[MorningStar]

Yes, the world gives us lots of worries, but that doesn't mean they're all valid, such as "rumors of wars".

[Buzzard]

And I agree with Elder Oaks. Natural disasters can kill the body. The rising tide of evil that he refers to can kill your eternal soul. Which one would YOU see as a bigger threat?

[MormonFreeThinker]

Yes, the world gives us lots of worries, but that doesn't mean they're all valid, such as "rumors of wars".

 

The Scriptures talk about wars and rumor of wars. 

Elder Oaks said, "But as serious as all this is"

[ERayR]

The Scriptures talk about wars and rumor of wars. 

Elder Oaks said, "But as serious as all this is"

I don't see this as an endorsement of the man made global warming agenda.

[Darren10]

Personally, I'm OK with global warming as a result of man's sin. If God wants the earth to warm up due to sin, so be it. Man still has to do what Elder Oaks was getting at: repent of his sins. By sin it is man's immorality: lack of honesty, deceit, hate, etc. ; not how much CO2 his SUV is emiting inot the atmoshpere.

[MormonFreeThinker]

I don't see this as an endorsement of the man made global warming agenda.

 

Elder Oaks said Global Warming is serious, and he worries about it.  In the Oxford Dictionary, the word "Global Warming" means "A gradual increase in the overall temperature of the earth’s atmosphere generally attributed to the greenhouse effect caused by increased levels of carbon dioxide, chlorofluorocarbons, and other pollutants"

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/global-warming?q=global+warming

Elder Oaks knows American English. 

Elder Oaks also said, "I am grateful to know that there are two methods of gaining knowledge — the scientific method and the spiritual method," 

 

Physicist Richard a Muller used to be a leading man made climate change skeptic, but he now believes it is happening.

Climate Change happens because CO2 levels rise, just like in the past. 

Edited April 18, 2014 by MormonFreeThinker

[cinepro]

"Warms and rumors of warms...?"

[thesometimesaint]

Elder Oaks said Global Warming is serious, and he worries about it.  In the Oxford Dictionary, the word "Global Warming" means "A gradual increase in the overall temperature of the earth’s atmosphere generally attributed to the greenhouse effect caused by increased levels of carbon dioxide, chlorofluorocarbons, and other pollutants"

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/global-warming?q=global+warming

Elder Oaks knows American English. 

Elder Oaks also said, "I am grateful to know that there are two methods of gaining knowledge — the scientific method and the spiritual method," 

 

Physicist Richard a Muller used to be a leading man made climate change skeptic, but he now believes it is happening.

Climate Change happens because CO2 levels rise, just like in the past. 

It is the rate at which it is rising that is of concern. No one really cares if it took another 10,000 years for it to increase beyond the point it is now at 410 ppm a nearly 30% increase in last few decades.

 

It used to be considered a sin to pollute other peoples air, water, and ground. A capital crime to poison someones drinking water. Now it is anything for a buck. Satan was right "You CAN buy anything in this world for money".

[Gervin]

 

 

"Every day we are assaulted with big worries: global warming, wars and rumors of wars, drought, a possible pandemic of some infectious disease, and a possible recession. ... But as serious as all this is, I worry more about the rising tide of evil in the world around us"

 

 

 

it seems he has a blueprint for combating evil.  A Church committed to eradicating the things, above, in the context of Christ's love is probably doing a good 1st c. church imitation.

[LoudmouthMormon]

I'm as worried about global warming, as I am about the notion that humans will eventually drill all the oil out of the earth.  The only thing constant is change.  Expecting an earth 300 years from now to be the same temperature, the polar ice caps to be the same size and location, rivers and coastlines to be the same location, and cars to run on the same fuel - well, that's just silly.

 

Almost as silly as the Kyoto treaty and Al Gore and militant environmentalists and anyone who refuses to interact with the notion that global climate change happens on Mars too.

 

(No, I don't see Elder Oaks taking any stand at all about the enviropolitical issues raging around the concept of a dynamic planetary climate.)

[ERayR]

Elder Oaks said Global Warming is serious, and he worries about it.  In the Oxford Dictionary, the word "Global Warming" means "A gradual increase in the overall temperature of the earth’s atmosphere generally attributed to the greenhouse effect caused by increased levels of carbon dioxide, chlorofluorocarbons, and other pollutants"

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/global-warming?q=global+warming

Elder Oaks knows American English. 

Elder Oaks also said, "I am grateful to know that there are two methods of gaining knowledge — the scientific method and the spiritual method," 

 

Physicist Richard a Muller used to be a leading man made climate change skeptic, but he now believes it is happening.

Climate Change happens because CO2 levels rise, just like in the past. 

 

He was not endorsing the man made global warming agenda.  He was enumerating some things that. by some, are very serious problems.  He then (now read closely) says "But as serious as all this is, I worry more about the rising tide of evil in the world around us".  No endorsement but rather a statement of what worries him more than all these other things.

 

I am well aware of the meaning of global warming.  I am also well aware of the problems with the theory.  I am also well aware of the agenda of many who use this to belly up to the public coffers. 

 

I am also capable of reading for comprehension and nowhere in that statement do I see an endorsement of global warming agenda by Elder Oaks.

[The Nehor]

The mental contortionists are at it again. How far can you bend that statement? Clearly it is not saying what it obviously literally said. It means the opposite.

 

[MormonFreeThinker]

He was not endorsing the man made global warming agenda.  He was enumerating some things that. by some, are very serious problems.  He then (now read closely) says "But as serious as all this is, I worry more about the rising tide of evil in the world around us".  No endorsement but rather a statement of what worries him more than all these other things.

 

I am well aware of the meaning of global warming.  I am also well aware of the problems with the theory.  I am also well aware of the agenda of many who use this to belly up to the public coffers. 

 

I am also capable of reading for comprehension and nowhere in that statement do I see an endorsement of global warming agenda by Elder Oaks.

 

If you read closely he said, "as serious as all this is" 

Elder Oaks clearly thinks that Global Warming is a problem. 

 

"He was enumerating some things that. by some, are very serious problems"

Everything he mentioned is a serious problem, droughts, wars, recessions, and he did not say "by some"

 

"I am also well aware of the problems with the theory"

The problems published in a respected peer reviewed journal? or the problems published in evangelical anti-climate change websites?If you are talking about problems published in a anti-climate change website, go to skeptical science for answers http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

 

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Edited April 19, 2014 by MormonFreeThinker

[mfbukowski]

When someone tells you you will die next Wednesday, do you want to debate about the method?

 

Could their be more important things to worry about?

[strappinglad]

If humanity did everything that environmental activists require to solve the AGW problem it would still take years to show any change in the global temp. One of the proposed solutions is to eradicate the population growth which stands at about 80 million more warm bodies contributing to the situation every year. Left to itself, nature will solve the problem in the same way it solves it in the local deer herds here. Too many deer will result in a winter in which all the grazing food is eaten and the majority of the deer die of starvation. According to some , we have already hit the iceberg and are going down. A few will get on the life boats but most will die particularly the 3rd class passengers. Others think we have sighted the iceberg and there is still time to turn the ship and avoid disaster. They forget that it takes a long time to turn a massive ship like the earth and that even if it is turned it might just turn into the berg it is trying to miss. My faith in the response of government is such that I see it shouting orders and throwing all the life jackets overboard to make the ship lighter.

[DaddyB]

It used to be considered a sin to pollute other peoples air, water, and ground. A capital crime to poison someones drinking water. Now it is anything for a buck. Satan was right "You CAN buy anything in this world for money".

There is just as much or more money and power motive behind the global warming agenda as there is with the movement against it. It's not as clear cut as they would want you to think.

[DaddyB]

If you read closely he said, "as serious as all this is" 

Elder Oaks clearly thinks that Global Warming is a problem. 

Yes. These are serious things to worry about. They are serious for those on either side. If you believe that the zero population agenda is behind the global warming agenda, global warming is a very serious issue, especially if you are an apostle. A case could be made equally for both sides of the debate that Elder Oaks is on their side. Personally, I think it is obvious that he is not taking a side at all.

[The Nehor]

There is just as much or more money and power motive behind the global warming agenda as there is with the movement against it. It's not as clear cut as they would want you to think.

 

Yes, there is a huge incentive to cut CO2 emissions. People are making bank off of this.

 

This is false equivalency. Follow the money.

[Stargazer]

Well, it's not global warming, per se, that is the serious thing, it is the global climate change.  The earth has been hotter than now in the past and it has been colder.  What we need to be working towards, is being flexible enough to meet the change effectively.

 

The foolishness comes when people think they are going to be able to do something about the change itself.  We've been pumping out greenhouse gases for several thousand years, and there is no way that we are going to shut it off this late in the game.  It may have been too late for that even a couple hundred years ago. Or longer.  There is no practical way to sequester those gasses to lower the concentration enough to make a difference.

 

We must learn to roll with the punches, that's all.

[BCSpace]

Have to agree with ERayR.  Not an endorsement.

[The Nehor]

Have to agree with ERayR.  Not an endorsement.

Yes, and Paul meant a pagan ritual when he talked about baptism for the dead. Apostles love using false teachings to support true stuff for some reason.

[MormonFreeThinker]

Well, it's not global warming, per se, that is the serious thing, it is the global climate change.  The earth has been hotter than now in the past and it has been colder.  What we need to be working towards, is being flexible enough to meet the change effectively.

 

"The earth has been hotter than now in the past"

True, because CO2 levels were higher. More CO2 = Hotter temperature 

 

"We've been pumping out greenhouse gases"

Power Plants emit a lot more CO2, CO2 levels have increased again since the industrial revolution.

 

"There is just as much or more money and power motive behind the global warming agenda"

Ad hominem, that is not science. AIDS deniers make a similar claim. 

 

Elder Oaks mentioned Global Warming, wars, rumors of wars, droughts, diseases. 

Wars do happen

rumors of wars do happen (Iran, Syria, Korea) 

droughts do happen 

pandemic diseases do happen 

Recessions do happen 

Everything happens except Global warming? 

 

Elder Oaks then said, "Seacoast cities are worrying about the rising level of the ocean"

Global Warming predicts rising sea levels 

 

Elder Oaks then said, "But as serious as all this is, I worry more about the rising tide of evil"

He worries more about the evil in the world, but he still worries about all of that 

 

See Skeptical Science for the evidence 

http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

 

Edited April 19, 2014 by MormonFreeThinker

[MorningStar]

If you read closely he said, "as serious as all this is" 

Elder Oaks clearly thinks that Global Warming is a problem. 

 

"He was enumerating some things that. by some, are very serious problems"

Everything he mentioned is a serious problem, droughts, wars, recessions, and he did not say "by some"

 

"I am also well aware of the problems with the theory"

The problems published in a respected peer reviewed journal? or the problems published in evangelical anti-climate change websites?If you are talking about problems published in a anti-climate change website, go to skeptical science for answers http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

 

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Well then he must not think the wars are rumored either, but real.  Or something. 

[MormonFreeThinker]

Well then he must not think the wars are rumored either, but real.  Or something. 

 

" I beheld wars, and rumors of wars, and great slaughters with the sword among my people." (1 Nephi 12:2)

 

Rumors of wars happen all the time, there could be a war with Korea, Iran, Syria, something that might happen. 

 

and Elder Oaks still thinks Global Warming is serious 

Edited April 19, 2014 by MormonFreeThinker