The Nehor Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 We burned them down and salted the earth to ensure they never rise again. 1
halconero Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 Awwww...c'mon....Riiiiii-chusss-li(Bowing of the head)
Stone holm Posted August 2, 2013 Author Posted August 2, 2013 What Lamanite programs are you referring to?Any Lamanite program -- there used to be a bunch of programs aimed at uplifting Native Americans. Back in the 70's and early 80's there was a lot of talk about the Church leaders working intensively with Chiefs and leaders to move them towards conversion with the hope that they would bring their whole tribes along. The Navaho wove a huge rug that was originally in one of the Temples, but was later moved to the Jacob Hamblin residence. Not sure if it is still there.
Senator Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 Whatever happened to the Lamanite programs.They faded away, along with the notion that "the lamanites" were actually lamanites.
pogi Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 Whatever happened to the Lamanite programs.They moved down South.
Ahab Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 Any Lamanite program -- there used to be a bunch of programs aimed at uplifting Native Americans. Back in the 70's and early 80's there was a lot of talk about the Church leaders working intensively with Chiefs and leaders to move them towards conversion with the hope that they would bring their whole tribes along. The Navaho wove a huge rug that was originally in one of the Temples, but was later moved to the Jacob Hamblin residence. Not sure if it is still there.I still shake my head when I see people wanting me to fill out some kind of form to let them know my ethnic background. The best way to integrate everyone in a society is to treat everyone the same way, with no special treatment or discrimination based on things like race (or culture), religion, sex, etc, with people not considered to be, in Book of Mormon vernacular, any kind of an "ite" anymore. Of course, I know we still have different backgrounds, depending on where we came from, but the more we think of everyone as the same as us the closer we are to becoming one people.
Stone holm Posted August 2, 2013 Author Posted August 2, 2013 I still shake my head when I see people wanting me to fill out some kind of form to let them know my ethnic background. The best way to integrate everyone in a society is to treat everyone the same way, with no special treatment or discrimination based on things like race (or culture), religion, sex, etc, with people not considered to be, in Book of Mormon vernacular, any kind of an "ite" anymore. Of course, I know we still have different backgrounds, depending on where we came from, but the more we think of everyone as the same as us the closer we are to becoming one people.So you think we did away with them in order to promote equality? Or are they still there but not talked about.
Ahab Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 So you think we did away with them in order to promote equality? Or are they still there but not talked about.We still have our differences, including different cultures and backgrounds, but no we're not talking about those things as much as we once did. A step in the right direction, I think, since we all want the same blessings that were promised to the Lamanites.
Stone holm Posted August 2, 2013 Author Posted August 2, 2013 We still have our differences, including different cultures and backgrounds, but no we're not talking about those things as much as we once did. A step in the right direction, I think, since we all want the same blessings that were promised to the Lamanites.Yep. None of that carrying them on our shoulders for us nuh huh.
Ahab Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 Yep. None of that carrying them on our shoulders for us nuh huh.We should still do what we can to help them, just as we hope they will also help us. Just no special treatment from anyone who wouldn't also be willing to give the same help to some other group of people.Like: Look! Behold! Yonder Lamanites! Let's go help them receive all the blessings available through the gospel of Jesus Christ!Sure, we want to help them, but we also want them to help us, and we're willing to help anyone else as much as we help them.
rpn Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 When tribes started building schools, there was no need to send children to whitemen for that purpose. While the programs were successful for some children, those who my family fostered suffered greatly by the absence from their parents required by the program.
Calm Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 When tribes started building schools, there was no need to send children to whitemen for that purpose. While the programs were successful for some children, those who my family fostered suffered greatly by the absence from their parents required by the program.I have an older friend who took in one young girl who remained like a daughter the rest of her life.I have some data about the overall success of the program which was quite high, though as with any manmade program there were horror stories, but unfortunately the book is in a box right now due to getting a new floor for the library.
brightpath Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 The Lamanites are alive and well despite the church doing away with their programs in the late 80's into the early 90's. The biggest being the Indian placement program. The Lamanites are waiting for the day when they will be restored by Christ and rise up to build the New Jerusalem according to their book, the Book of Mormon.
Stone holm Posted August 3, 2013 Author Posted August 3, 2013 The Lamanites are alive and well despite the church doing away with their programs in the late 80's into the early 90's. The biggest being the Indian placement program. The Lamanites are waiting for the day when they will be restored by Christ and rise up to build the New Jerusalem according to their book, the Book of Mormon.Always felt a little uncomfortable about the Indian placement program in a Church which valued families. As I was told some of the programs ended after Second Wounded Knee and the rest ended when Ezra Taft Benson ascended to the Presidency, is that true?
theplains Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 I still shake my head when I see people wanting me to fill out some kind of form to let them know my ethnic background. The best way to integrate everyone in a society is to treat everyone the same way, with no special treatment or discrimination based on things like race (or culture), religion, sex, etc, with people not considered to be,It was important for the early Latter-day Saints to know who the Lamanites were. Otherwisethese verses would not have made sense:"And that which I have appointed unto him is that he shall go with my servants, Oliver Cowdery and Peter Whitmer, Jun., into the wilderness among the Lamanites" (D&C 32:2)"And thus you shall take your journey into the regions westward, unto the land of Missouri, unto the borders of the Lamanites" (D&C 54:8].Regards,Jim
Stone holm Posted August 5, 2013 Author Posted August 5, 2013 Yeah, I think the tone has changed considerably as we have moved to an internationalized Church -- but you would think that we would have seen a Native American coming up through the Apostolic ranks before a German -- not that Pres. Uchtdorf isn't one of my most favorite Apostles.
brightpath Posted August 7, 2013 Posted August 7, 2013 The programs were fazed out by Monson and Hinckley in the late 80's into the early 90's. Dallin H. Oaks said this in a fireside in 1989 at BYU.
nosmelone Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 My Uncle spent most of his life as a councelor in the IPP and was good friends with George P. Lee. He recently spoke of the quality of Native leadership in the church that are products of the IPP. Of course I'm sure there are those occurances that didn't work out but he said that unfortunatly there is not enough said about the success which shines now in Native leadership all throughout the Southwest.
Calm Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) oops...already mentioned this... Edited August 8, 2013 by calmoriah
ZelphtheGreat Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 The Brethren don't really believe the premise of the Book of Mormon in bringing the Truth to those who descended from Lehi and Company. If they did they would be actively pursuing the teaching of the Lamanites as they did in years past. These days it appears the Lamanite Programs were nothing more than pet projects of Spencer W. Kimball and once he passed on, so did the programs. As one who served a Lamanite Mission I find it sad that LDS Leadership appears as sheep wandering in the woods without direction.
Stone holm Posted August 11, 2013 Author Posted August 11, 2013 The Brethren don't really believe the premise of the Book of Mormon in bringing the Truth to those who descended from Lehi and Company. If they did they would be actively pursuing the teaching of the Lamanites as they did in years past. These days it appears the Lamanite Programs were nothing more than pet projects of Spencer W. Kimball and once he passed on, so did the programs. As one who served a Lamanite Mission I find it sad that LDS Leadership appears as sheep wandering in the woods without direction.I wouldn't describe them as Pres. Kimball's pet projects, his love of the Native Americans was much deeper than that, but I don't think that depth was shared by his successors since the programs completely dropped from the radar upon his death. The Church is more interested in the global Church now. Although when my son served in Spain he indicated very few of their converts were Spanish, nearly all were South Americans living in Spain.
brightpath Posted August 12, 2013 Posted August 12, 2013 The Brethren don't really believe the premise of the Book of Mormon in bringing the Truth to those who descended from Lehi and Company. If they did they would be actively pursuing the teaching of the Lamanites as they did in years past. These days it appears the Lamanite Programs were nothing more than pet projects of Spencer W. Kimball and once he passed on, so did the programs. As one who served a Lamanite Mission I find it sad that LDS Leadership appears as sheep wandering in the woods without direction.Amen to that! I believe the same. The Church should stay focused on the Lamanite to bring to pass the prophecies of the BofM.
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