silvermoon383 Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 This weekend my stake is running the annual Girl's Camp, and since my mother is the stake YW president she's there the entire time. When I was being told of the plans of her being gone as of today (Thursday) I nodded and filled in that she'd be back sometime late Saturday, pretty short of a camp period. Instead, I was told that she'd be back late Tuesday, that girl's camp is running through the weekend. I was immediately caught off guard with that bit of news, since it's been made quite clear that there is to be absolutely no camping over a Sunday for the young men.Supposedly this event is being allowed by the stake president himself, but I'm not finding this a valid enough excuse, since every mention of a weekend campout for the scouts is shot down as soon as it's made. I know from experience that this is a policy that causes issues with the scout councils when it comes to LDS attendance at their week-long events (especially summer camp).Any thoughts?
The Nehor Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 I believe the policy is no Sunday camping period. This appears to be a local decision made against policy. It is possible it was overridden for a good reason or even with permission. 1
Bernard Gui Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 My grandson just returned from the National Scout Jamboree. They were there on Sunday and General Authoritiespresided at the sacrament. This balances out the YW camping on Sunday, and order once again prevails in the universe. 2
Buzzard Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 They may give a once in a blue moon exemption for a National Jamboree, but the rule against Sunday camping is pretty cut and dry. I am surprised that the SP made the call, and almost as surprised that no one dropped a dime to South Temple.
LordUther Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 Our YM just had their camping week, no Scouts affiliation here in the UK, and they were gone on Sunday.
EllenMaksoud Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 This weekend my stake is running the annual Girl's Camp, and since my mother is the stake YW president she's there the entire time. When I was being told of the plans of her being gone as of today (Thursday) I nodded and filled in that she'd be back sometime late Saturday, pretty short of a camp period. Instead, I was told that she'd be back late Tuesday, that girl's camp is running through the weekend. I was immediately caught off guard with that bit of news, since it's been made quite clear that there is to be absolutely no camping over a Sunday for the young men.Supposedly this event is being allowed by the stake president himself, but I'm not finding this a valid enough excuse, since every mention of a weekend campout for the scouts is shot down as soon as it's made. I know from experience that this is a policy that causes issues with the scout councils when it comes to LDS attendance at their week-long events (especially summer camp).Any thoughts? I know why. Cuz girls can behave themselves. Boyz get into mischeif. 1
The Nehor Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 I know why. Cuz girls can behave themselves. Boyz get into mischeif. BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH!!!!Okay, that was funny. 1
EllenMaksoud Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH!!!!Okay, that was funny.I am pleased you find it amusing.
EllenMaksoud Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 They may give a once in a blue moon exemption for a National Jamboree, but the rule against Sunday camping is pretty cut and dry. I am surprised that the SP made the call, and almost as surprised that no one dropped a dime to South Temple.Spoil sport. Girlz just wanna have fun. 1
The Nehor Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 Spoil sport. Girlz just wanna have fun. No, we all know what they really want: 1
Duncan Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 (edited) this is my answer to the whole camping question[media=] I would much rather date the lady at the end of the video then go camping! Edited August 2, 2013 by Duncan
strappinglad Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 Our " Moroni's Quest " just happened, went over Sunday , all authorities on board.
EllenMaksoud Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 No, we all know what they really want: Actually, I much prefereth this:
sdc999 Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 I remember once being scolded by 'johnny rulebook' when I invited some boys to go camping. it started as taking one of the boys (absentee father) and some other boys overheard and it grew from there. He was quick to cite rules for there being two adults, minimum, on 'ALL' campouts and he did this in front of quite a few people. I was rather composed, according to my wife, when I told him what he could do with his rules since it was MY camper and this wasn't a church sponsored event. Futhermore, it was up to the parent if their child could go. All but his boys were allowed and even then, one of his defied his order and showed up (he was 16 and had a DL) but he didn't stay. He remained quite angry at me for some time. 1
Calm Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 So what would have happened to those kids if you had been injured and unable to drive or lost consciousness and you were in an area where cell phones didn't work?
sdc999 Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 So what would have happened to those kids if you had been injured and unable to drive or lost consciousness and you were in an area where cell phones didn't work? Well, first, if I was in an area where cell phones didn't work, I would have been lost. And second, there were probably another 30 campsites at the State Park where we were and most campers are all too kind to help in any situation. If I used that mentality about raising my daughters, I guess I would have never left my wife at home with them overnight while I was away on business. We live away from town and our cell service is somewhat sketchy at times. If it were a church sponsored event, I would have been glad to abide by church rules - but it wasn't.
stemelbow Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 I remember once being scolded by 'johnny rulebook' when I invited some boys to go camping. it started as taking one of the boys (absentee father) and some other boys overheard and it grew from there. He was quick to cite rules for there being two adults, minimum, on 'ALL' campouts and he did this in front of quite a few people. I was rather composed, according to my wife, when I told him what he could do with his rules since it was MY camper and this wasn't a church sponsored event. Futhermore, it was up to the parent if their child could go. All but his boys were allowed and even then, one of his defied his order and showed up (he was 16 and had a DL) but he didn't stay. He remained quite angry at me for some time.Sounds like a delightful person.
daz2 Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 (edited) I was unable to find the current policy on camping on Sunday in the handbook. But in the past, Sunday camping was discouraged or forbidden except for long term camps. In Arizona, scores of stakes share the same girls camp in Northern Arizona, and each stake is assigned a time during the summer. The girls camp operates 7 days a week. Edited August 2, 2013 by daz2
Freedom Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 I find the no Sunday-Monday camping restriction to severely curtail camping opportunities with the youth. Few adults can afford to take the time off work and most holidays fall on a Monday or Friday. There are few experiences more beautiful than holding a sacrament meeting on the top of a mountain or in what ever other natural setting your part of the planet provides. On the other side, however, with the many camping events that are crammed into the summer, if Sunday camping was not restricted there would not be many priesthood holders at church in July and August. It is a give and take, and up to the stake president's discretion.
kassie Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 I've always thought it was a dumb rule in the first place.
afamilyguy Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 Handbook 2: 13.6.19 Sabbath Day Observance No Church-sponsored sports events (such as games, practices, or travel) or recreational events (such as camping or hiking) are to be scheduled on Sunday. Nor should youth groups and others travel to or from camps or youth conferences on Sunday. When security risks or travel costs are serious issues, leaders can schedule some youth activities on Sunday. Such activities should be separate from the Sunday meeting schedule and in keeping with the spirit of the Sabbath.
bluebell Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 I find the no Sunday-Monday camping restriction to severely curtail camping opportunities with the youth. Few adults can afford to take the time off work and most holidays fall on a Monday or Friday. There are few experiences more beautiful than holding a sacrament meeting on the top of a mountain or in what ever other natural setting your part of the planet provides. So true. My family is really big on camping, and growing up outside of Yellowstone National Park, we always get the chance to do quite a bit of it. In fact, we went camping for a week in June in Wyoming (driving 8 hours from ND) with our 3 week old baby, that's how much we love to go!Though we never camp in Yellowstone, if we camp through a Sunday we always go to sacrament service at Canyon. It's held in the evening, outdoors in a very shady quiet area (they've had elk and deer wander into the meetings and graze so it's a serene setting). They get speakers from Idaho to come in but otherwise everything else is handled by a Priesthood holder in charge and whoever shows up to the meeting.They are usually wonderful meetings-some of the best I've ever been too.
ERMD Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 As noted above, Handbook 2 proscribes camping/travel on Sundays. Stake Presidents may (and do) make exceptions.
cinepro Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 We had an LDS Scout Camp (where all the local LDS troops schedule the same week at camp so it's 100% LDS) a few years ago where we were supposed to drive up on Saturday, and our Area Seventy was going to preside at a church meeting for everyone on Sunday. A few weeks before, we got word that the First Presidency said "nope", and we drove up early Monday morning.My ward does a couple things totally off-manual, and this is one of them. They still drive up to Scout camps on Sundays (we also let 11 year olds attend the entire week of camp if their dads come along; I took my son when he was 11 and it was awesome!). Sometimes my wife and I joke that we're not a real "ward", and Salt Lake doesn't even know we're here. 1
JAHS Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 "No Church-sponsored sports events (such as games, practices, or travel) or recreational events (such as camping or hiking) are to be scheduled on Sunday"Are scout camps considered "church sponsored" events or are they Boy Scout sponsored events? If it's the latter then there's no problem. However, If a single troop of scouts from a ward decide to do a weekend campout then there might be some objection.It also specified that "traveling" to such events should not happen on the sabbath; not the event itself.
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