wenglund Posted May 9, 2013 Posted May 9, 2013 The better question to me is: "What is stereotyping?"Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Wanderer7 Posted May 9, 2013 Posted May 9, 2013 No joke. I have a friend at BYU who was criticized for hating "Mormon culture" because she didn't like Disney. 1
ERayR Posted May 9, 2013 Posted May 9, 2013 No joke. I have a friend at BYU who was criticized for hating "Mormon culture" because she didn't like Disney.I don't like too much current Disney either and a review of vintage Disney doesn't fare much better.
thesometimesaint Posted May 9, 2013 Posted May 9, 2013 Disney. The mouse that roared. Fine as an amusement park, but wouldn't want to live there.
mfbukowski Posted May 9, 2013 Posted May 9, 2013 I am indeed sorry. Do you think there is any hope for repentance before divine retribution is rained down?I know you are joking, but honestly? I am really beginning to have my doubts!
AddamS Posted May 9, 2013 Posted May 9, 2013 Funeral Potatoes at celebrations of birth, wedding, remembrance, and just about any other event you can think of.Utah Mormons>Other Mormons
Scott Lloyd Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) They call each other Mr. and Mrs. in church.Born, raised and live in Utah, and I've never seen that.On the other hand, I sometimes have people (not necessarily from Utah) write or phone in response to things I have written in a Church publication, and they call me "Mr. Lloyd." They are obviously members of the Church.It's very jarring. Do they somehow have the impression that non-Mormons are hired to do what I do? Edited May 10, 2013 by Scott Lloyd
Calm Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 Born, raised and live in Utah, and I've never seen that.Not born and raised here, but lived off and on (first with Grandma, then as a student, then as a wife and mother....)Never seen that either except in the case below.... Have seen the reverse where someone is called Sister or Brother outside of church.I think it might be hard for kids that are required to call their school teachers "Mr." or "Mrs" or "Miss" outside of church to then switch to Sister or Brother within church walls, I've seen them confused at times and first say "Mrs" and then "Sister" and a few that appeared to be unaware of doing it, but I don't think I've ever heard an adult do that in Utah, have on occasion heard a new convert do it elsewhere.
Calm Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) It's very jarring. Do they somehow have the impression that non-Mormons are hired to do what I do?I think it's more likely they differentiate between interacting in a professional capacity and a church capacity. One of my former bishops was a doctor, we called him "Doctor" at his work and "Bishop" at church...but we knew him as a doctor first and this was not in Utah.Would you consider your reporting for the Church News a calling? Now you have made me curious.I am now trying to think of how I interact with others at FAIR conferences...I can't remember if I decide to call people Mr and Mrs or Brother and Sister if I don't know them well. Edited May 10, 2013 by calmoriah
cdowis Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 Born, raised and live in Utah, and I've never seen that.This was in southern Utah. Perhaps it was a local thing.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 My daughter went on a mission to Provo, and ran across one of my old girlfriends.Sigh.I hope they had a long time to talk and laugh.
CV75 Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 Let us hope your young marrieds will grow up at some point.Having lived in New York and New England (both urban and rural areas) virtually all my life:The only thing I picked up about Utah was from the missionaries I knew once I investigated and joined the Church, and the only thing different I could perceive was the accent. The same when I went on a mission.When I went to BYU for grad school as a newlywed, I picked up only on the bad driving habits (yes, I’m from New York so who’s to judge?). However, whenever someone I didn’t know ticked me off in the normal course of the day, I’d sneer “Typical Utah [fill in the blank],” which in retrospect wasn’t really justified; perhaps I was even projecting. Materialism wasn't an issue in my mind (in fact we were financially better off than the vast majority of students and young marrieds).The “young married” transients I’ve seen in our various wards often joked about Utah culture and never did anything I consider offensive by virtue of their upbringing and culture. Most were students in various key professions, poor, struggling to adjust to everything “young marrieds” and young families have to adjust to. They were known for being transient and moving back to Utah, but who can blame them—it is their home.Complaints about leaders trying to make things run like Utah, or looking down on those of us in “the mission field” came from unforgiving locals, mostly griping to what offended them decades ago (and they likely brought it upon themselves), but I haven’t heard about such imposition of the "Utah Church" on us since the early 90’s. From anyone credible, at least. 1
Maidservant Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 Yeah I think there is a lot of self-selection. There is also a lot of geographic loyalty which tends to pull Utahns back to Utah, and since the odds are very substantial if you go to BYU or BYUI that you will meet and marry there, your chances of marrying someone from that area is increased. I'm serious, we really do need a marriage mill located outside the Mormon corridor. The East Coast probably won't happen -- but I know there are people trying to get something going in Nauvoo -- that would be a start, it would create a major Mormon demographic in the center of the country.Have you heard of Southern Virginia University? 1
KevinG Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 This was in southern Utah. Perhaps it was a local thing.Perhaps a way to tell the daughters apart from the younger polygamous wives then?
Scott Lloyd Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) I think it's more likely they differentiate between interacting in a professional capacity and a church capacity.That occurred to me as well, and if that's the case, I can understand it, though I don't go along with it.One of my former bishops was a doctor, we called him "Doctor" at his work and "Bishop" at church...but we knew him as a doctor first and this was not in Utah.The difference is I don't see myself as working in a secular capacity. It's not just that our publication is LDS oriented. As a priesthood-correlated periodical, it is part and parcel of the institutional Church.Would you consider your reporting for the Church News a calling? Now you have made me curious.A good question.Admittedly, I'm paid a wage, substantial enough that I support my family from it (and the money doesn't come from the Church, by the way; it comes from Deseret News Publishing Co., from the proceeds of ad sales and subscriptions, even though the Church News carries no advertising).But I would have to say it was a sense of calling that motivated me to take this job 27 years ago and has motivated me to stay with it as opposed to seeking some other post in journalism or some associated profession.I would not feel the same if I worked full time for some other Deseret News department, even if it were, say, Mormon Times.I am now trying to think of how I interact with others at FAIR conferences...I can't remember if I decide to call people Mr and Mrs or Brother and Sister if I don't know them well.If you don't know their religious affiliation, or even if you do but don't know the level of their activity, Mr. and Mrs. is probably the way to go.I've increasingly found it to be the case in today's society that I can call professional contacts by their first name, even if we haven't had a prior meeting. Edited May 10, 2013 by Scott Lloyd 1
mfbukowski Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 We indeed are tree huggers too. One piece at a time as we haul it in to burn in our heating stoves.Oh yeah- I forgot to mention this earlier.That's illegal here. No wood stoves/ fireplaces because of air pollution. They give condoms to junior high kids, there are drugs all over, but you can't use your fireplace.Now if that doesn't make sense, you are just not cool I guess.
mfbukowski Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 They call each other Mr. and Mrs. in church.You go to a wedding reception, and run across Elder Packer. (Actually they may have two receptions, one limited to General Authorities, and another for the rest of us).Wow. Those are new to me!
Scott Lloyd Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 You go to a wedding reception, and run across Elder Packer. (Actually they may have two receptions, one limited to General Authorities, and another for the rest of us).If you mean Boyd K. Packer, the correct title is President.That differentiation is especially important today, as his son, Elder Allan F. Packer, is a member of the First Quorum of Seventy.
mfbukowski Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 The better question to me is: "What is stereotyping?"Thanks, -Wade Englund-I tried typing on my old hi-fi stereo but it didn't work so well.It just made the record jump around a lot. 2
Scott Lloyd Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 Oh yeah- I forgot to mention this earlier.That's illegal here. No wood stoves/ fireplaces because of air pollution.They give condoms to junior high kids, there are drugs all over, but you can't use your fireplace.Now if that doesn't make sense, you are just not cool I guess. ERay may be a tree hugger, but I am a member of PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals. 3
mfbukowski Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 Not born and raised here, but lived off and on (first with Grandma, then as a student, then as a wife and mother....)Never seen that either except in the case below.... Have seen the reverse where someone is called Sister or Brother outside of church.I think it might be hard for kids that are required to call their school teachers "Mr." or "Mrs" or "Miss" outside of church to then switch to Sister or Brother within church walls, I've seen them confused at times and first say "Mrs" and then "Sister" and a few that appeared to be unaware of doing it, but I don't think I've ever heard an adult do that in Utah, have on occasion heard a new convert do it elsewhere.That is itself a Utah thing.
Scott Lloyd Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 I tried typing on my old hi-fi stereo but it didn't work so well.It just made the record jump around a lot.Stereotyping may mean typing on two keyboards at the same time. 3
Scott Lloyd Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 That is itself a Utah thing. When I was in the ninth grade (I grew up in suburban Salt Lake County), I had the same teacher twice during the school day: once for early-morning seminary and the second time for junior high science. 1
Ahab Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 So, what is Church culture, what is Utah culture, and where to they overlap?I think you can figure it out if you'll think about the Church being in more places than just in Utah. Maybe comparing the whole Church to America would help you to see it, a melting pot of all cultures and with certain cultures more prevalent in certain places... China towns and Mexican neighborhoods and Italian quarters, etc, etc, etc.The only commonality is that there are a lot of Mormons in Utah and there are also a lot of Mormons in the Church.
mfbukowski Posted May 10, 2013 Posted May 10, 2013 When I was in the ninth grade (I grew up in suburban Salt Lake County), I had the same teacher twice during the school day: once for early-morning seminary and the second time for junior high science.LOL- great story!I guess you didn't mess around in science class! No explosions or stinkbombs I bet!
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