Elaine Dalton'S Talk At Conference

[why me]

I enjoyed Elaine Dalton's talk. It was traditional and right to the point. I think that it gave something for the Mormon feminist people to think about. I also think that the talk was geared toward them and to all young women.She seemed to stress that the young women are children of our heavenly father which directs itself to the internet feminists who are calling for a change in the wording to heavenly parents. It will be interesting to see their reaction.

It gets a clap from me.

Edited April 6, 2013 by why me

[Rivers]

Mormon feminists are probably really ticked off by this talk.

[why me]

Mormon feminists are probably really ticked off by this talk.

I think so. She could have said heavenly parents. It would have been okay to do so. But she seems to be aware of the internet mormon feminist movement and gave a direct answer to them and to young women in general. I don't think that this talk was an accident.

[bluebell]

I also really liked it.

I'm sure there are people that won't appreciate it but I don't think there's anything she said that was specifically provoking, other than not declaring that the lds church is sexist as some would have wanted.

[CASteinman]

It was a really good talk. I doubt it if was "directed" at anyone. I note this from the Church Blog on Conference that talks are not assigned -- people choose their subjects.

Edited April 6, 2013 by CASteinman

[Damien the Leper]

Meh...it was nothing new or that we haven't heard before.

[why me]

It was a really good talk. I doubt it if was "directed" at anyone. I note this from the Church Blog on Conference that talks are not assigned -- people choose their subjects.

However, someone in her position must have been aware of the internet mormon feminist movement and what they are saying. It was so directed at them that it will be hard for them to miss it. Why stress the wording of using heavenly father? it will be interesting how the mormon feminists react

[CASteinman]

Meh...it was nothing new or that we haven't heard before.

I feel happy that you are watching it anyway. General Conference is a bit easier than Church while at the same time, being a lot more forceful.

[CASteinman]

However, someone in her position must have been aware of the internet mormon feminist movement and what they are saying. It was so directed at them that it will be hard for them to miss it. Why stress the wording of using heavenly father? it will be interesting how the mormon feminists react

Maybe.... I don't know either way. Maybe it was her choice.

[bluebell]

Meh...it was nothing new or that we haven't heard before.

Conference talks rarely are new or on previously unheard topics.

[why me]

Meh...it was nothing new or that we haven't heard before.

true...but the timing and the wording seem to be very directed about what is being said on the internet by mormon feminists. I don't think that they will miss the connection and they will probably respond.

[Rivers]

Perhaps the fact that a woman prayed in conference for the first time will outweigh the mormon feminists' disappointment from this talk.

[Calm]

Conference talks rarely are new or on previously unheard topics.

My memory says there weren't any conference talks given on the subject of the Priesthood ban when the ban was lifted, just the announcement. I went looking for one once. I may be wrong though as it was awhile back. When the missionary change came out last time, does anyone remember any talks that focused on that? If not....if they don't make a point of talking about the actual really new things, then it should hardly be surprising that most talks are on previously heard topics.

[blackstrap]

Is the concept of Heavenly Mother doctrinal or logical speculation ? There are some references to heavenly parents but it is not a topic/expression that is constantly used. The speech habit of talking about Heavenly Father is ingrained from our childhood.

[Garden Girl]

Perhaps the fact that a woman prayed in conference for the first time will outweigh the mormon feminists' disappointment from this talk.

I doubt it, Rivers... I actually wonder that anything can satisfy this particular group of women, except full ordination to the priesthood, etc... but I think from Elder Ballard's talk we can surmise that that won't be happening any time soon... and IMO, rightfully so.

GG

[why me]

Is the concept of Heavenly Mother doctrinal or logical speculation ? There are some references to heavenly parents but it is not a topic/expression that is constantly used. The speech habit of talking about Heavenly Father is ingrained from our childhood.

When she began her talk I was expecting her to say heavenly parents as it does in the manuals and to go along with the feminists. But she stressed Heavenly Father at least 3 times in that talk and the role of women. I think that it was a message to the mormon feminists. I am sure that she knew about the mormon feminist movement since it is in the Salt Lake Tribune at times and what changes they are calling for. .

[Calm]

Is the concept of Heavenly Mother doctrinal or logical speculation ? There are some references to heavenly parents but it is not a topic/expression that is constantly used. The speech habit of talking about Heavenly Father is ingrained from our childhood.

A google site search of lds.org pulls up about 280 hits for "Heavenly Mother" and over 4000 hits for "Heavenly Parents" and over 100,000 hits for Heavenly Father.

[why me]

I doubt it, Rivers... I actually wonder that anything can satisfy this particular group of women, except full ordination to the priesthood, etc... but I think from Elder Ballard's talk we can surmise that that won't be happening any time soon... and IMO, rightfully so.

GG

Which I think was also a coded message to the mormon feminist movement on the internet. All the GAs must know about it from the Salt Lake Tribune.

[Calm]

Perhaps the fact that a woman prayed in conference for the first time will outweigh the mormon feminists' disappointment from this talk.

There are different groups focused on different things.

I can understand a group of women who are more concerned with girls and young women's self image being disappointed that there was no reference to Heavenly Parents in conference even though it is taught many times in lessons (as I discovered on a search of "heavenly parents" when this subject came up...the direct wording change being asked had already been used in a Visiting Teaching message awhile back) while not thinking that prayer in conference itself was that big of a thing....while the group that pushed for prayer in conference having a victory party and patting the other group on the back saying 'this too will come in time, don't be so glum'.

[Calm]

Which I think was also a coded message to the mormon feminist movement on the internet. All the GAs must know about it from the Salt Lake Tribune.

Not all GAs live in Salt Lake. And I doubt that those who are focused on missions and areas that are outside of North American care much about what the SL Trib says in general, though it something comes up about their area they might be interested.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if they knew about from discussions about how to meet the needs of the members.

Edited April 6, 2013 by calmoriah

[telnetd]

I enjoyed Elaine Dalton's talk. It was traditional and right to the point. I think that it gave something for the Mormon feminist people to think about.

Maybe I could understand what you were trying to say in your post if you

could explain what a Mormon feminist is.

Gail

[Calm]

Maybe I could understand what you were trying to say in your post if you

could explain what a Mormon feminist is.

Gail

Out of points so

Back in the early days when women were fighting for the right to vote, practically every Mormon was a Mormon feminist.

[Kenngo1969]

I doubt it, Rivers... I actually wonder that anything can satisfy this particular group of women, except full ordination to the priesthood, etc... but I think from Elder Ballard's talk we can surmise that that won't be happening any time soon... and IMO, rightfully so.

GG

Dang! I was hopin' somebody could take over my home teaching and Executive Secretary duties next month!

[telnetd]

Out of points so

Back in the early days when women were fighting for the right to vote, practically every Mormon was a Mormon feminist.

Since every Mormon woman has the right to vote now, are there any Mormon feminists still alive?

Gail

[Calm]

Since every Mormon woman has the right to vote now, are there any Mormon feminists still alive?

Gail

Define "Mormon Feminist" and then I will tell you.