why me Posted April 6, 2013 Author Posted April 6, 2013 Maybe I could understand what you were trying to say in your post if youcould explain what a Mormon feminist is.GailI think that there are many definitions depending on the feminist. In this case, you will need to ask them since they use the title. I got into a little trouble on a previous thread when I stated that I see no need for such a title since there are many established feminisms that any lds women can choose from. For example, i can be a mormon and yet be a socialist feminist. Or I can be a mormon and be a Marxist feminist. Or I can be a mormon and be a radical feminist. Or a postmodern feminist etc.But you will need to ask them about what a mormon feminist is.
why me Posted April 6, 2013 Author Posted April 6, 2013 Define "Mormon Feminist" and then I will tell you.See my previous post. I can define a Mormon Marxist Feminist:http://www.feministissues.com/marxist.htmlAnd with this just put: and who is a member of the lds church.
why me Posted April 6, 2013 Author Posted April 6, 2013 Define "Mormon Feminist" and then I will tell you.Liberal feminist:http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-liberal/And with this just put: and who is a member of the lds church. But a Mormon Feminist? I have no idea. But I would know what a Mormon liberal feminist is.
Tacenda Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 Since every Mormon woman has the right to vote now, are there any Mormon feminists still alive?GailI'm still waiting for you to answer Cal, her question to define what a Mormon feminist is to you. If it'll help you, there are some real live ones if you go to the feminist mormon housewives website. Some can be a little unorthodox, and some speak about a heavenly mother. I think there might be many more that don't speak out. I don't believe I'm quite a feminist but leave the door open to it if I need to walk through, but so far it hasn't affected me that I'm aware of or like someone else.
Deborah Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 It seems to me every conference where there has been something controversial going on the GA's address it. A lot of the discussions we have here are addressed in Conference, not that I think they read this site or even FB but that they are spiritually aware of the issues people are dealing with.
why me Posted April 6, 2013 Author Posted April 6, 2013 It seems to me every conference where there has been something controversial going on the GA's address it. A lot of the discussions we have here are addressed in Conference, not that I think they read this site or even FB but that they are spiritually aware of the issues people are dealing with.I think that they read the salt lake tribune. It was all there. The mormon feminists did go to the media with their issues. And now they go their answer. It will be interesting to read what they now have to say about it all.
Stargazer Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 Meh...it was nothing new or that we haven't heard before.It's not always the novelty of something which is of greatest importance. Affirming the basics has its place. And it was a good talk, one that I will be glad to read once it comes out in textual form.
halconero Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 (edited) My friend Shauna, whom I confirmed a few weeks back, is a recent convert, card carrying socialist (Canadian NDP), supporter of gay marriage and self described feminist (had doubt about priesthood before baptism), thought the talk was empowering, lovely and feminist in nature. Edited April 6, 2013 by halconero 1
CASteinman Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 My friend Shauna, whom I confirmed a few weeks back, is a recent convert, card carrying socialist (Canadian NDP), supporter of gay marriage and self described feminist (had doubt about priesthood before baptism, thought the talk was empowering, lovely and feminist in nature.Interesting. I would say that my wife, who utterly refuses to be considered in any way subservient or less than men -- she would say the gospel has the right balance. She would say that "feminism" wouldn't even be a "thing" if people just followed the Gospel Plan of respect and love for everyone. 2
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 (edited) It was a really good talk. I doubt it if was "directed" at anyone. I note this from the Church Blog on Conference that talks are not assigned -- people choose their subjects.One reason if find it odd for people to hang on every word, as though each talk was written by some secret department of speech writers. Edited April 6, 2013 by Bill “Papa” Lee
Saints Alive Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 Seemed to me Sister Dalton more or less said "know your role, and that role doesn't involve the priesthood" Aside from being able to give blessings, my life as a male priesthood holder without any callings (literally, I moved several months ago and am still not assigned any home teaching families) is remarkable similar to my wife's who doesn't hold the priesthood.
Stone holm Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 There are different groups focused on different things.I can understand a group of women who are more concerned with girls and young women's self image being disappointed that there was no reference to Heavenly Parents in conference even though it is taught many times in lessons (as I discovered on a search of "heavenly parents" when this subject came up...the direct wording change being asked had already been used in a Visiting Teaching message awhile back) while not thinking that prayer in conference itself was that big of a thing....while the group that pushed for prayer in conference having a victory party and patting the other group on the back saying 'this too will come in time, don't be so glum'.Have talked to all my active children on the fact that this was the first time a woman offered a prayer in GC plus my ultimate earthly authority and the uniform response was, "Really? I thought they had always offered the prayer." Which says two things to me, 1) that nobody pays any attention to who is offering the prayer, and 2) this is a big deal about something of very little significance.
CASteinman Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 Have talked to all my active children on the fact that this was the first time a woman offered a prayer in GC plus my ultimate earthly authority and the uniform response was, "Really? I thought they had always offered the prayer." Which says two things to me, 1) that nobody pays any attention to who is offering the prayer, and 2) this is a big deal about something of very little significance.I personally feel it is a triviality. HOWEVER, that it makes some people very happy.and feeling somehow valued -- well, its totally worth it if it makes that big a difference to them. So, while you or I may consider it trivial there are those who do not and part of this whole thing for me is that I have become reacquainted with just how tender the hearts of people can be. I wish I could actually be sensitive to this, but at least I am aware that there are things which are so easy and yet make some people so happy. I don't have that sort of authority and I doubt I have control over anything people care about in that way, but I want to find opportunities to give people things that raise their sense of self worth.
Stargazer Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 I said this before, and upon reflection I want to say it again.The fact that women have been SPEAKING in General Conference for years and years now kind of makes giving an opening or closing prayer seem a little, you know, ANTI-CLIMACTIC.I think that the gravitas of speaking in GC kind of outweighs the gravitas of giving a prayer.So, after all, big whoop.
Bikeemikey Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 Interesting. I would say that my wife, who utterly refuses to be considered in any way subservient or less than men -- she would say the gospel has the right balance. She would say that "feminism" wouldn't even be a "thing" if people just followed the Gospel Plan of respect and love for everyone.Many of the women I know in the church would agree with this. Gave a rep +1 on that...
CASteinman Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 Many of the women I know in the church would agree with this. Gave a rep +1 on that...Thanks. I suppose really.. that was a rep for my wife who is not here. But thanks anyway! I accept on her behalf.
Bikeemikey Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 I personally feel it is a triviality. HOWEVER, that it makes some people very happy.and feeling somehow valued -- well, its totally worth it if it makes that big a difference to them. So, while you or I may consider it trivial there are those who do not and part of this whole thing for me is that I have become reacquainted with just how tender the hearts of people can be. I wish I could actually be sensitive to this, but at least I am aware that there are things which are so easy and yet make some people so happy. I don't have that sort of authority and I doubt I have control over anything people care about in that way, but I want to find opportunities to give people things that raise their sense of self worth.I have to say I pretty much agree with this...The thought that keeps coming back to me is... if it is so trivial why has it not happened before... did everyone organizing the schedule totally fail to notice? I was shocked when I heard that a women had not prayed in GC before... I thought it was a mistake in the article i read.
Bikeemikey Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 Thanks. I suppose really.. that was a rep for my wife who is not here. But thanks anyway! I accept on her behalf.Really I guess I could say it was a rep from my mum to your wife... your sentiments on your wifes behalf seemed to capture my mum's thoughts on this kind of stuff really well.
CASteinman Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 The thought that keeps coming back to me is... if it is so trivial why has it not happened before... did everyone organizing the schedule totally fail to notice? I was shocked when I heard that a women had not prayed in GC before... I thought it was a mistake in the article i read.Oh.. maybe just habit. I hate to admit it but the thought that keeps coming back to me is "why did this trouble some people? I make this suggestion: Both of our questions are irrelevant. They just haunt our brains. Like demons to be exorcised.
Bikeemikey Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 Oh.. maybe just habit. I hate to admit it but the thought that keeps coming back to me is "why did this trouble some people? I make this suggestion: Both of our questions are irrelevant. They just haunt our brains. Like demons to be exorcised.Agree with you again... Thats three times in as many minutes... Time for me to go to bed... If i keep agreeing with you these boards won't be fun for me any more.
why me Posted April 7, 2013 Author Posted April 7, 2013 I said this before, and upon reflection I want to say it again.The fact that women have been SPEAKING in General Conference for years and years now kind of makes giving an opening or closing prayer seem a little, you know, ANTI-CLIMACTIC.I think that the gravitas of speaking in GC kind of outweighs the gravitas of giving a prayer.So, after all, big whoop.I think that you have a point. This was really no big deal. However, it does seem the that internet makes big deals over trivial things, especially when it comes to church things. And I think that this is a problem. For example, women wearing pants to church is no big deal. But the Internet movement behind it made it a big deal. Likewise for the prayer. Also, I remember the discourses of Brigham Young and what he said in those discourses from what I read in them. No big deal. But the Internet made it a big deal.The internet can make something trivial into something big and we see this being down with critics of the lds church.
telnetd Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 I'm still waiting for you to answer Cal, her question to define what a Mormon feminist is to you. If it'll help you, there are some real live ones if you go to the feminist mormon housewives website. Some can be a little unorthodox, and some speak about a heavenly mother. I think there might be many more that don't speak out. I don't believe I'm quite a feminist but leave the door open to it if I need to walk through, but so far it hasn't affected me that I'm aware of or like someone else.I don't have a definition for this term. My question was to the originalposter.Gail
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 Conference talks rarely are new or on previously unheard topics.True, always for the same oil' sinners, committing the same oil' sins.
Tacenda Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 True, always for the same oil' sinners, committing the same oil' sins.I had never heard the story of Pres. Monson starting a fire at Vivian Park at the age of 8. And am amazed at all the stories from his life. He must find it difficult to keep them fresh all these years of speaking at meetings. But would love to hear more of his experiences, he's had with the members all over the world.
why me Posted April 7, 2013 Author Posted April 7, 2013 I had never heard the story of Pres. Monson starting a fire at Vivian Park at the age of 8. And am amazed at all the stories from his life. He must find it difficult to keep them fresh all these years of speaking at meetings. But would love to hear more of his experiences, he's had with the members all over the world.We need more laughter at General Conference. Some good jokes would be nice throughout the conference. President Monson also gave a good closing talk about helping others of other faiths. It was a very loving talk, very christ-centered.
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