Mudcat Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Dunno how much I will participate in this thread. Really just looking for answer to the question.To be specific.It seems LDS feel a need via the teachings of their faith to be married in the Temple. I think I understand the concept of being married for time, time and eternity.How do LDS believe in regard to couples who are not LDS being married, by whatever authority marries them?Is it a valid marriage in the eyes of God? Or is it some form of adultery?
Calm Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) Yes, it is a valid marriage. It is not adultery. If it was adultery, no married nonLDS couple could be baptized and then sealed as they would be living in sin.I would say the authority is the society that recognizes the marriage as a marriage, whether it is a church or a government.God does recognize man's laws as laws in many conditions, the whole 'render unto Caesar' approach. Edited February 22, 2013 by calmoriah 4
Duncan Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 I have always thought that people married outside the Temple, like my parents were at first, would jump at the chance when they get the opportunity either or on the other side, if they did it here then why not there? I wouldn't worry about it, unless the spouse says nah forget it
Flyonthewall Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 I would agree with Calmoriah... I believe it is recognized as a valid marriage. I also believe God recognizes it as a valid marriage, but without it being sealed by His authority(preisthood), is limited to this earth. 2
Maidservant Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 "Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God." Family Proclamation to the World
Vanguard Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Dunno how much I will participate in this thread. Really just looking for answer to the question.To be specific.It seems LDS feel a need via the teachings of their faith to be married in the Temple. I think I understand the concept of being married for time, time and eternity.How do LDS believe in regard to couples who are not LDS being married, by whatever authority marries them?Is it a valid marriage in the eyes of God? Or is it some form of adultery?I think the ideal of marriage - one that happens to be outside the temple - is beautiful as evidenced by the countless couples who have experienced it. For myself, I have no crtiique of marriages conducted outside of the temple. I believe God approves of them and grants his blessings. As such, it would obviously be valid in His eyes. Folks married outside of the temple will still have every opportunity to continue this relationship in the hereafter much like those who are married in the temple. I believe it a canard to suggest only temple marriages will enjoy this "longevity". Wherever there is a man & woman desiring to join together for the purpose of establishing a union, God too is there.
Sky Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Latter-day Saints view non-temple marriages as perfectly valid and honorable. The difference with a temple marriage is that the couple involved have entered into the New and Everlasting Covenant (in LDS vernacular), or in other words, have been sealed to each other. That presumably means that these marital relationships don't end at death.
The Nehor Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Viewed as a necessary lesser thing until lesser things are done away. 1
Brian 2.0 Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) Valid if between a man and a woman. They are not committing adultery. But they will not be married in the afterlife unless they are sealed in this life in the temple or sealed by proxy after they have died and accept the proxy sealing done for them in the Temple. Invalid between a same-sex couple and they are sinning if engaging in sexual activity with each other, even if married. They cannot be sealed in this life or by proxy after they have died and will not be married in the afterlife. Edited February 22, 2013 by Brian 2.0
BCSpace Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 It seems LDS feel a need via the teachings of their faith to be married in the Temple. I think I understand the concept of being married for time, time and eternity.How do LDS believe in regard to couples who are not LDS being married, by whatever authority marries them?Is it a valid marriage in the eyes of God? Or is it some form of adultery?It is not considered some form of adultery unless it is homosexual or plural when plural is not authorized. Overall: Doctrine and Covenants 132:1515 Therefore, if a man marry him a wife in the world, and he marry her not by me nor by my word, and he covenant with her so long as he is in the world and she with him, their covenant and marriage are not of force when they are dead, and when they are out of the world; therefore, they are not bound by any law when they are out of the world. Doctrine and Covenants 132:1818 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that covenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God. Doctrine and Covenants 132:1919 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever. 1
Storm Rider Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 Dunno how much I will participate in this thread. Really just looking for answer to the question. To be specific.It seems LDS feel a need via the teachings of their faith to be married in the Temple. I think I understand the concept of being married for time, time and eternity. How do LDS believe in regard to couples who are not LDS being married, by whatever authority marries them? Is it a valid marriage in the eyes of God? Or is it some form of adultery? The objective of all of the ordinances or Sacraments performed by the LDS Church is to obtain Exaltation. The Church of Jesus Christ regards and respects all marriages and views them as a union pleasing before God, yet acknowledging that the couple has not been sealed for time and eternity. They are married "until death do you part". The Church teaches that those who enter into the Celestial Kingdom will all be sealed to another. For this reason the members of the Church are so active in performing proxy work for those who have already died. The ordinances much be done in mortality and if one has died without receiving them, the ordinances, then the living are the only ones who can. We also believe that each and every person will be given the opportunity to receive the ordinances. Should an ancestor choose in the afterlife not to accept a baptism or a sealing, then the ordinances would be as if they were never done and would have no effect. The choice, the free agency, of the individual remains sacrosanct. 2
Mudcat Posted February 24, 2013 Author Posted February 24, 2013 Thanks for all the responses. I think the matter has been cleared up for me. Thanks especially to BC for the DandC references.
mfbukowski Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 Yes, it is a valid marriage. It is not adultery. If it was adultery, no married nonLDS couple could be baptized and then sealed as they would be living in sin.I would say the authority is the society that recognizes the marriage as a marriage, whether it is a church or a government.God does recognize man's laws as laws in many conditions, the whole 'render unto Caesar' approach.Just for the record, yep- this is the way I see it too.The good news is that if we have done our best here, genuinely, and still have not accepted the gospel here, for good reasons, in good conscience, and not been sealed, if indeed we suddenly have new insights on the other side and accept the gospel there, we can be sealed to our mates on the other side and the sealing will be of the same validity as it is if done here in this life.So the pure of heart need not worry about losing one's spouse if these crazy Mormons turn out to be right. 2
theplains Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 "Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God." Family Proclamation to the WorldJesus said, "For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb:and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs,which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is ableto receive it, let him receive it".Why didn't Jesus condemn the person who made himself a eunuch for the kingdom ofheaven's sake?Thanks,Jim
mfbukowski Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 Jesus said, "For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb:and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs,which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is ableto receive it, let him receive it".Why didn't Jesus condemn the person who made himself a eunuch for the kingdom ofheaven's sake?Thanks,JimThose who have different sexual preferences and deny themselves should be praised. It doesn't mean what you think it does.Unfortunately we have seen what happens when some of those who should follow that advice do not. 1
saemo Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 Dunno how much I will participate in this thread. Really just looking for answer to the question.To be specific.It seems LDS feel a need via the teachings of their faith to be married in the Temple. I think I understand the concept of being married for time, time and eternity.How do LDS believe in regard to couples who are not LDS being married, by whatever authority marries them?Is it a valid marriage in the eyes of God? Or is it some form of adultery?"They don't really love each other." is what a Mormon relative said to me while attending the non-temple marriage of another relative.
Curious Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 What if I really don't want to be sealed to my wife for all enternity?Is there an "un-seal me now" button available on the other side?Curious
Calm Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 "They don't really love each other." is what a Mormon relative said to me while attending the non-temple marriage of another relative.Totally absurd.
Calm Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 What if I really don't want to be sealed to my wife for all enternity?Is there an "un-seal me now" button available on the other side?CuriousIt is heaven, no one will be forced to live in ways they don't want to live.
saemo Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 Totally absurd.They have a deep belief in temple marriage and when a couple chose to not marry in a temple, it indicated something to them about the relationship itself. I can see where they are coming from, even though I don't agree.
Ahab Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 They have a deep belief in temple marriage and when a couple chose to not marry in a temple, it indicated something to them about the relationship itself. I can see where they are coming from, even though I don't agree.Even with a deep belief in temple marriage you don't have to devalue a marriage that is for this mortal life, only. You can start with that and then work toward being sealed forever.As I see it, it's great as far as it goes, but if you want it to go on forever you have to do something to make it happen, because it doesn't happen all by itself no matter how much you may want it to happen. You actually have to go through the process of being sealed forever, through the ordinance that is required for it to happen, otherwise it won't ever happen because you didn't comply with the requirements.
Calm Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) They have a deep belief in temple marriage and when a couple chose to not marry in a temple, it indicated something to them about the relationship itself. I can see where they are coming from, even though I don't agree.If it was not just a nonLDS marriage, but LDS participating in a nontemple marriage, I can see how some LDS might view that as not loving enough in there would be an inference that the couple did not want to live together for eternity, but only at best for life and possibly might be open to the idea of divorcing if it got rough.I would not make that assumption myself, but I can see some LDS possibly doing so where there is an actual choice. I find it totally absurd if it involves nonLDS who don't have an option for eternal marriage in their faith. Edited February 25, 2013 by calmoriah
mfbukowski Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 "They don't really love each other." is what a Mormon relative said to me while attending the non-temple marriage of another relative.You want to hear what I have heard Catholics say about Mormons?
mfbukowski Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 If it was not just a nonLDS marriage, but LDS participating in a nontemple marriage, I can see how some LDS might view that as not loving enough in there would be an inference that the couple did not want to live together for eternity, but only at best for life and possibly might be open to the idea of divorcing if it got rough.I would not make that assumption myself, but I can see some LDS possibly doing so where there is an actual choice.So it's clear we don't have all the facts.For all we know it could have been an 85 year old senior couple getting married for time only.
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