Imagine The End Of The World

[bcuzbcuz]

If not the end of the world, at least imagine the events leading up to the end of the world. Some gigantic cataclysmic event has toppled the stability of many of the economic powerhouse nations. Gasoline is not available, at least to the common man. Food supplies in stores are running out and no further deliveries are forthcoming. Clean water is at a premium. Electricity comes on only intermittently, so your freezer at home thaws and freezes off and on. Schools have stopped bussing kids, some teachers no longer show up for work. The infrastructure of daily life is collapsing.

Now, undoubtedly, some of those who read this can paint a far more accurate picture of a society's collapse, but suffice it to say that the grasshoppers of the world are a lot worse off than the ants.

But you have not been a grasshopper. Your partner and children have prepared for every imaginable eventuality. You've saved and stocked a wide variety of food supplies and water and fuel. You've built a protective bunker for your family and with your own power supply you are not forced into any immediate panic.

The crumbling of society around you does not leave you unmarked but you feel well prepared for coping with the current situation.

It starts first with one of your neighbors. A woman comes and pleads that she no longer has any food at home for her children. She looks tired, stressed, dirty. She has bundled herself in three layers of clothing even though the weather is quite mild. She makes one last plea for help, accepts your rejection, then turns and slowly leaves your yard.

That evening you plan with your spouse which alternatives you have, next time such a thing happens, as you know it will. Word will get around that your family has food, your family has heat and shelter. The next neighbor to come may not be as meek or already resigned to his or her fate. The next to come may be total strangers, in no mood to merely plead.

My question to you is: Do you share your food and resources? Or do you hunker down and prepare to fend off all comers? Have your former neighbors become your new enemies? Are you ready to kill to protect your family?

What price salvation?

[Bikeemikey]

If not the end of the world, at least imagine the events leading up to the end of the world. Some gigantic cataclysmic event has toppled the stability of many of the economic powerhouse nations. Gasoline is not available, at least to the common man. Food supplies in stores are running out and no further deliveries are forthcoming. Clean water is at a premium. Electricity comes on only intermittently, so your freezer at home thaws and freezes off and on. Schools have stopped bussing kids, some teachers no longer show up for work. The infrastructure of daily life is collapsing.

Now, undoubtedly, some of those who read this can paint a far more accurate picture of a society's collapse, but suffice it to say that the grasshoppers of the world are a lot worse off than the ants.

But you have not been a grasshopper. Your partner and children have prepared for every imaginable eventuality. You've saved and stocked a wide variety of food supplies and water and fuel. You've built a protective bunker for your family and with your own power supply you are not forced into any immediate panic.

The crumbling of society around you does not leave you unmarked but you feel well prepared for coping with the current situation.

It starts first with one of your neighbors. A woman comes and pleads that she no longer has any food at home for her children. She looks tired, stressed, dirty. She has bundled herself in three layers of clothing even though the weather is quite mild. She makes one last plea for help, accepts your rejection, then turns and slowly leaves your yard.

That evening you plan with your spouse which alternatives you have, next time such a thing happens, as you know it will. Word will get around that your family has food, your family has heat and shelter. The next neighbor to come may not be as meek or already resigned to his or her fate. The next to come may be total strangers, in no mood to merely plead.

My question to you is: Do you share your food and resources? Or do you hunker down and prepare to fend off all comers? Have your former neighbors become your new enemies? Are you ready to kill to protect your family?

What price salvation?

We all die... If is from hunger resulting from Christ like sharing can't see that being bad... Though I have just had breakfast as of 5 mins ago.

[Lightbearer]

Of course I would share with all who need help. The only good outcome of the end of the world would be the Lord's second coming and if I did not share I would be no better than the wicked who will be looking for the mountains to fall on them... That is what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is all about. Remember the widow who fed Elijiah? That should be our attitude, not to scratch and claw at each other like animals fighting over a bone, but giving to those of our brothers and sisters in need as becometh Saints.

[Calm]

Don't have to worry about that as I won't last long after the pharmacies shut down....one of the few good things about a chronic illness.

If I had a choice and it really was a long term disaster where massive amounts of people would die, civilisations collaspe, etc. and not something that if everyone gritted their teeth and worked hard to survive they could, reestablishing a decent life in a few years even if much reduced in luxury, I think I would invite all the neighbours for a collective final meal, make my peace with everyone and make myself and my family as comfortable as possible and wait for the Lord to take us. If we could only survive on the bodies of our neighbours, I don't see that as a worthwhile life for myself or my family.

[CV75]

My question to you is: Do you share your food and resources?

By all means, yes. I would also protect my family from immediate harm and danger. I would also form a small exploration group that can seek out the righteous to join us, or us to join up with them, while the homefront is in good hands.

[thesometimesaint]

I don't have enough for much, but I can't in good conscience let my neighbor starve.

Stone Soup

Once upon a time, somewhere in post-war Eastern Europe, there was a great famine in which people jealously hoarded whatever food they could find, hiding it even from their friends and neighbors. One day a wandering soldier came into a village and began asking questions as if he planned to stay for the night.

"There's not a bite to eat in the whole province," he was told. "Better keep moving on."

"Oh, I have everything I need," he said. "In fact, I was thinking of making some stone soup to share with all of you." He pulled an iron cauldron from his wagon, filled it with water, and built a fire under it. Then, with great ceremony, he drew an ordinary-looking stone from a velvet bag and dropped it into the water.

By now, hearing the rumor of food, most of the villagers had come to the square or watched from their windows. As the soldier sniffed the "broth" and licked his lips in anticipation, hunger began to overcome their skepticism.

"Ahh," the soldier said to himself rather loudly, "I do like a tasty stone soup. Of course, stone soup with cabbage -- that's hard to beat."

Soon a villager approached hesitantly, holding a cabbage he'd retrieved from its hiding place, and added it to the pot. "Capital!" cried the soldier. "You know, I once had stone soup with cabbage and a bit of salt beef as well, and it was fit for a king."

The village butcher managed to find some salt beef . . . and so it went, through potatoes, onions, carrots, mushrooms, and so on, until there was indeed a delicious meal for all. The villagers offered the soldier a great deal of money for the magic stone, but he refused to sell and traveled on the next day. The moral is that by working together, with everyone contributing what they can, a greater good is achieved.

[Mark Beesley]

If not the end of the world, at least imagine the events leading up to the end of the world. Some gigantic cataclysmic event has toppled the stability of many of the economic powerhouse nations. Gasoline is not available, at least to the common man. Food supplies in stores are running out and no further deliveries are forthcoming. Clean water is at a premium. Electricity comes on only intermittently, so your freezer at home thaws and freezes off and on. Schools have stopped bussing kids, some teachers no longer show up for work. The infrastructure of daily life is collapsing.

Now, undoubtedly, some of those who read this can paint a far more accurate picture of a society's collapse, but suffice it to say that the grasshoppers of the world are a lot worse off than the ants.

But you have not been a grasshopper. Your partner and children have prepared for every imaginable eventuality. You've saved and stocked a wide variety of food supplies and water and fuel. You've built a protective bunker for your family and with your own power supply you are not forced into any immediate panic.

The crumbling of society around you does not leave you unmarked but you feel well prepared for coping with the current situation.

It starts first with one of your neighbors. A woman comes and pleads that she no longer has any food at home for her children. She looks tired, stressed, dirty. She has bundled herself in three layers of clothing even though the weather is quite mild. She makes one last plea for help, accepts your rejection, then turns and slowly leaves your yard.

That evening you plan with your spouse which alternatives you have, next time such a thing happens, as you know it will. Word will get around that your family has food, your family has heat and shelter. The next neighbor to come may not be as meek or already resigned to his or her fate. The next to come may be total strangers, in no mood to merely plead.

My question to you is: Do you share your food and resources? Or do you hunker down and prepare to fend off all comers? Have your former neighbors become your new enemies? Are you ready to kill to protect your family?

What price salvation?

How tragic, that we would have to wait for our neighbor to come knocking on our door before we would notice that they were in need. Hopefully, we would be more connected to our communities so we could offer assistance before being asked.

[ERayR]

Don't have to worry about that as I won't last long after the pharmacies shut down....one of the few good things about a chronic illness.

If I had a choice and it really was a long term disaster where massive amounts of people would die, civilisations collaspe, etc. and not something that if everyone gritted their teeth and worked hard to survive they could, reestablishing a decent life in a few years even if much reduced in luxury, I think I would invite all the neighbours for a collective final meal, make my peace with everyone and make myself and my family as comfortable as possible and wait for the Lord to take us. If we could only survive on the bodies of our neighbours, I don't see that as a worthwhile life for myself or my family.

I share your sentiments. However, expressing these sentiments, now when we have access to our abundance, and actually having to live through that and watching children and grandchildren suffer and starve is a different thing. However altruistic we may be we are tied closer to our families than to strangers.

[Tacenda]

I don't have enough for much, but I can't in good conscience let my neighbor starve.

Stone Soup

Once upon a time, somewhere in post-war Eastern Europe, there was a great famine in which people jealously hoarded whatever food they could find, hiding it even from their friends and neighbors. One day a wandering soldier came into a village and began asking questions as if he planned to stay for the night.

"There's not a bite to eat in the whole province," he was told. "Better keep moving on."

"Oh, I have everything I need," he said. "In fact, I was thinking of making some stone soup to share with all of you." He pulled an iron cauldron from his wagon, filled it with water, and built a fire under it. Then, with great ceremony, he drew an ordinary-looking stone from a velvet bag and dropped it into the water.

By now, hearing the rumor of food, most of the villagers had come to the square or watched from their windows. As the soldier sniffed the "broth" and licked his lips in anticipation, hunger began to overcome their skepticism.

"Ahh," the soldier said to himself rather loudly, "I do like a tasty stone soup. Of course, stone soup with cabbage -- that's hard to beat."

Soon a villager approached hesitantly, holding a cabbage he'd retrieved from its hiding place, and added it to the pot. "Capital!" cried the soldier. "You know, I once had stone soup with cabbage and a bit of salt beef as well, and it was fit for a king."

The village butcher managed to find some salt beef . . . and so it went, through potatoes, onions, carrots, mushrooms, and so on, until there was indeed a delicious meal for all. The villagers offered the soldier a great deal of money for the magic stone, but he refused to sell and traveled on the next day. The moral is that by working together, with everyone contributing what they can, a greater good is achieved.

Going to remember this one!

[Tacenda]

I share your sentiments. However, expressing these sentiments, now when we have access to our abundance, and actually having to live through that and watching children and grandchildren suffer and starve is a different thing. However altruistic we may be we are tied closer to our families than to strangers.

This thread makes me appreciate all the wheat and powdered milk I have stored, it could feed plenty of my neighbors, atleast we won't starve.

[blackstrap]

If such a disaster is prolonged more than a couple months,feeding your neighbor will be the least of your problems. Roving bands will take what there is and burn out anyone trying to stop them,a la Bosnia.There may be strength in numbers and community but starvation brings out the animal in many people. IF YOU LIVE IN A BIG CITY , MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL!

[The Nehor]

Survival for its own sake is a shallow and demeaning goal. Better to die a saint.

[rameumptom]

I'm guessing if things get that bad, our bishops will probably ask for our storage, and place it in the storehouse. At that point, it then becomes the bishop's responsibility to determine who gets what.

If not, then I will share. However, I will do as Joseph of old. I won't give it away for free. Everyone will barter stuff or work for what I share with them. After all, that is only fair. I went without a lot of cool stuff now, so as to have my storage, etc. Why should they get it absolutely free later?

[ERayR]

Survival for its own sake is a shallow and demeaning goal. Better to die a saint.

Better yet is to live as one.

[ERayR]

I'm guessing if things get that bad, our bishops will probably ask for our storage, and place it in the storehouse. At that point, it then becomes the bishop's responsibility to determine who gets what.

If not, then I will share. However, I will do as Joseph of old. I won't give it away for free. Everyone will barter stuff or work for what I share with them. After all, that is only fair. I went without a lot of cool stuff now, so as to have my storage, etc. Why should they get it absolutely free later?

Where did you come up with an idea like that?

[mfbukowski]

This thread makes me appreciate all the wheat and powdered milk I have stored, it could feed plenty of my neighbors, atleast we won't starve.

Better have plenty of water to go with it.

[SamIam]

It starts first with one of your neighbors. A woman comes and pleads that she no longer has any food at home for her children. She looks tired, stressed, dirty. She has bundled herself in three layers of clothing even though the weather is quite mild. She makes one last plea for help, accepts your rejection, then turns and slowly leaves your yard.

That evening you plan with your spouse which alternatives you have, next time such a thing happens, as you know it will. Word will get around that your family has food, your family has heat and shelter. The next neighbor to come may not be as meek or already resigned to his or her fate. The next to come may be total strangers, in no mood to merely plead.

My question to you is: Do you share your food and resources? Or do you hunker down and prepare to fend off all comers? Have your former neighbors become your new enemies? Are you ready to kill to protect your family?

What price salvation?

I provide the following story, which I believe may be an alternative consideration to the "give said the little stream approach" that so many feel the Saints are obligated to sustain. Please keep in mind this is one aspect of what we need to consider. It is not a "RULE" of behavior but contains a principle for application in the appropriate circumstance according to the guidance of the spirit.

Two quotes to set the stage:

June 3

They travel past some ancient Indian mounds and Joseph tells about the ancient warriors and the Prophet Zelph (story of the white Lamanite) and Onandagus. Joseph also prophesies that a scourge will come upon the camp because of murmuring, and some will "die like sheep" unless they repent. Many murmur about the food, but Joseph's company gladly eats the partially spoiled hams that others refuse to eat. A double guard is posted for what turns out to be a false alarm. (HC 2:79-82.) (J. Christopher Conkling,

A Joseph Smith Chronology

[salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1979], 61.)

This sets one aspect of the standard in that the Lord through his prophet provides the warning and solution to avoiding his condemnation. In this case, this is excerpted from the Zions Camp experience and not too far into the journey the murmuring and complaining of the brethren has reached the heavens and the Lord warns them that if they do not repent they will be scourged and some will die.

The second quote is a couple of weeks later when the prophesied scourge actually manifests itself as the brethren did not repent.

The day before, three of the brethren had suffered some with the cholera; but it was not until the camp came on to Rush Creek that the disease broke out among them in its fury. The night of the twenty-fourth of June will long be remembered by the members of Zion's Camp. All night long they heard the moans and piteous cries of the sufferers, and the loud lamentations of those who lost their loved ones by the ravages of this dreadful disease. When it first made its appearance

Elder John S. Carter attempted to rebuke it, but he became its first victim.

Joseph also under-took to stay its ravages by the laying on of hands. He administered to his brother Hyrum, "The moment I attempted to rebuke the disease, that moment I was attacked," he writes, "and had I not desisted, I must have saved the life of my brother by the sacrifice of my own, for when I rebuked the disease, it left him and seized upon me. I

quickly learned by painful experience that when the great Jehovah decrees destruction upon any people, and makes known His determination, man must not attempt to stay His hand."

The brethren unitedly covenanted and prayed, hoping that they might have power with the heavens to stay the ravages of the plague; but to no purpose, for while they were engaged in prayer Elder Wilcox died. The deaths occurred so rapidly that coffins could not be prepared, so the dead were rolled up in blankets and put hurriedly into their graves; and while part of the brethren were engaged in digging the graves, others had to stand guard, musket in hand. After the plague had continued for two or three days, an effectual remedy was found for it by dipping those afflicted in cold water, or pouring it upon them. In all about seventy suffered from the cholera, and out of that number thirteen died.

(Contributor, vol. 7 (October 1885-September 1886), Vol. Vii. March, 1886. No. 6. 210.)

There are more details that go with the story but the most important observation is what Joseph explains what he has learned about trying to interfere with the decrees of Jehovah. If we couple this principle with the "If you have been warned" principle, it certainly seems possible that it will not be as simple as give to whomever you want. Note that Joseph suffered the affliction of the scourged. He contracted the very disease he sought to cure. I have wondered if this means that if a people are decreed to suffer the ravages of failing to prepare as they were warned with starvation that if we sought to interfere with God's degree that we would simply find our food stores overwhelmed and we would suffer the same affliction.

All of this considered my thoughts are that those that have been warned are the least likely candidates to access my food storage. What that translates into is those members of the church that had means and failed to prepare would be possibly under the decree of the damned. All of my non-member neighbors would be more eligible for claim on my assistance than those members that ignored the commands of the Lord. As a father, I feel obligated and desirous of providing for all of my relatives and children that can make it to my door. I have every expectation of seeking out the needy, sick, afflicted, widows, fatherless and so on to care for their needs as well. Few people realize what a blessing the needy are, for in them and the saints response to their need, is Zion defined. Since the final expectation is the reestablishment of Zion, they are one of the critical elements that define a Zion people, ie if there are no poor amongst the people because they have resisted their selfishness and have not failed to care for the needy then they are truly a Zion people.

I also believe that when we make the correct decisions we will have many examples of the cruse of oil and flour that do not fail for the Lord blessing of his obedient saints. However, I wonder if trying to preserve the condemned that wish to remain in their rebellion places us outside of being one of those obedient saints. I also expect that wherever possible the principles of working to the benefit of the whole and eschewing the dole will be observed in my efforts and my expectations of those who are gathered under whatever umbrella I am able to provide or under which I may reside with others.

Pres Benson, once observed that having our preparations would someday be as important as getting on the ark in the days of Noah. In the theme of this post, we can be sure that Noah had more than eight members in his family. Surely as they looked down from the vessel which was their protection and was their solution to the warnings of God, they observed many family and friends pounding on the doors after the ark had been sealed. I don't have all of the answers as to who merits assistance. I believe Elder Packer when he states that those that do not live by the spirit of revelation will perish and I wonder that even in the choices we make as to who warrants relief from the scourge of the Lord we will have to rely on revelation to guide us that we may not be found to merit inclusion in the condemnation of those who would not listen.

Edited November 8, 2012 by SamIam

[Ahab]

My question to you is: Do you share your food and resources? Or do you hunker down and prepare to fend off all comers? Have your former neighbors become your new enemies? Are you ready to kill to protect your family?

What price salvation?

You don't need to wait for some future event to see the price people will pay for... either to gain or lose... their salvation.

Look at the world as it is now, with many who suffer while others live in luxury.

We still have the rich and the poor, and we always will until our Lord comes down here to set things straight, as they should be.

It's the really really rich people who tick me off. How can they stand to have so much when others have so very little?

I prefer to be in lower middle class category, and when I have or start to get any more than that I give it away as fast as I can.

[Tacenda]

You don't need to wait for some future event to see the price people will pay for... either to gain or lose... their salvation.

Look at the world as it is now, with many who suffer while others live in luxury.

We still have the rich and the poor, and we always will until our Lord comes down here to set things straight, as they should be.

It's the really really rich people who tick me off. How can they stand to have so much when others have so very little?

I prefer to be in lower middle class category, and when I have or start to get any more than that I give it away as fast as I can.

I get upset at the idea that anyone can go hungry in the USA. And understand it is evil leaders of some countries that shut off food to their citizens. I wonder if the Lord is disappointed that nothing seems to be done to help or make a dent. Could we threaten these sick leaders with something to get them to change?

[Calm]

I get upset at the idea that anyone can go hungry in the USA. And understand it is evil leaders of some countries that shut off food to their citizens. I wonder if the Lord is disappointed that nothing seems to be done to help or make a dent. Could we threaten these sick leaders with something to get them to change?

Threats don't really cause change, they just drive the behaviour more underground. And if one makes threats, one better be willing to follow through and when one is talking about another country, one should consider if one has the right to force change on a people who may not be looking for it themselves or believe it is their right to solve their own problems even if it takes time and suffering to do so. Sometimes the only result ends up being hatred.

[Vance]

Of course I would share with all who need help. The only good outcome of the end of the world would be the Lord's second coming and if I did not share I would be no better than the wicked who will be looking for the mountains to fall on them... That is what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is all about. Remember the widow who fed Elijiah? That should be our attitude, not to scratch and claw at each other like animals fighting over a bone, but giving to those of our brothers and sisters in need as becometh Saints.

I may be mistaken, but as I recall Brigham Young taught that this is an eternal principle. If you are willing to share your last morsel with those in need you become entitled to the blessings of heaven with regard to physical salvation.

I wish I had a quote but I don't.

[Vance]

All of this considered my thoughts are that those that have been warned are the least likely candidates to access my food storage. What that translates into is those members of the church that had means and failed to prepare would be possibly under the decree of the damned. All of my non-member neighbors would be more eligible for claim on my assistance than those members that ignored the commands of the Lord. As a father, I feel obligated and desirous of providing for all of my relatives and children that can make it to my door. I have every expectation of seeking out the needy, sick, afflicted, widows, fatherless and so on to care for their needs as well. Few people realize what a blessing the needy are, for in them and the saints response to their need, is Zion defined. Since the final expectation is the reestablishment of Zion, they are one of the critical elements that define a Zion people, ie if there are no poor amongst the people because they have resisted their selfishness and have not failed to care for the needy then they are truly a Zion people.

I also believe that when we make the correct decisions we will have many examples of the cruse of oil and flour that do not fail for the Lord blessings his obedient saints. However, I wonder if trying to preserve the condemned that wish to remain in their rebellion places us outside of being one of those obedient saints. I also expect that wherever possible the principles of working to the benefit of the whole and eschewing the dole will be observed in my efforts and my expectations of those who are gathered under whatever umbrella I am able to provide or under which I may reside with others.

Pres Benson, once observed that having our preparations would someday be as important as getting on the ark in the days of Noah. In the theme of this post, we can be sure that Noah had more than eight members in his family. Surely as they looked down from the vessel which was their protection and was their solution to the warnings of God, they observed many family and friends pounding on the doors after the ark had been sealed. I don't have all of the answers as to who merits assistance. I believe Elder Packer when he states that those that do not live by the spirit of revelation will perish and I wonder that even in the choices we make as to who warrants relief from the scourge of the Lord we will have to rely on revelation to guide us that we may not be found to merit inclusion in the condemnation of those who would not listen.

Very much food for thought.

To balance, and make righteous judgement is indeed a most serious matter. For with what judgement(condemnation) we judge(condemn) we will also be judged(condemned).

It is also interesting to note that is was the Lord that shut the doors of the ark and NOT Noah.

[Ahab]

I get upset at the idea that anyone can go hungry in the USA. And understand it is evil leaders of some countries that shut off food to their citizens. I wonder if the Lord is disappointed that nothing seems to be done to help or make a dent. Could we threaten these sick leaders with something to get them to change?

We can teach people that they should be charitable, and how to be charitable, and we can even teach them the consequences of not being charitable by helping them to see the bigger picture, but we can't actually force people to be charitable. That is the change we should want to see, rather than wanting to see a society where someone else comes in and just takes from the rich to give to the poor. Robin Hood may have had good intentions, but it was still wrong for him to steal.

What we should really want to see is all of the rich choosing to give to the poor, charitably, to make things better for the collective society. And the rich should want to give enough to make a big enough difference, where the poor aren't poor anymore and the rich aren't rich, either, with everyone being what we would consider the middle class. That's how a Zion type society is created, where everyone has all things in common... meanign they all have the same things... and there are no rich as well as no poor.

It needs to be something each person chooses to do because they see the good in being that way, though, when both giving and receiving charity. As it is now some people just have too much pride to see charity as ever being a good thing, as far as receiving any, although they can be comfortable when giving it to others if and when they want to. Can you imagine a world where charity would be the guiding principle? Sounds like heaven to me.

[Truth]

The parable of the 10 virgins springs to mind and Elder Oaks' talk in conference regarding it. Noble sentiment from many, easy to say when your own children are not starving, now. People know to prepare, even the government has talked about preparedness. People in NY and NJ knew it was coming with Sandy a week ahead of time and many did nothing.

My bishop did a survey at church to determine what percentage of the ward had sufficient storage, at best he said 10%. Our responsibilities come to our families first. I have heard people in my own ward say they do not want to do food storage, or that we will just get together at the church and share. Wrong, we are ultimately responsible for ourselves. Sharing with those who have set aside, I am good with, those who have not.....

A dose of reality as well, people will kill you for it if they know. They will come back with family and friends. I have spoken with people who went through Katrina and hurricanes in FL, and people will take what they want and abuse it. One man told the story of fending off a group of guys after a hurricane who smelled his food grilling after the hurricane. In NY looters are rampant, people have been guarding their homes with weapons. Have seen little on the news, but more from first had accounts. As a previous practicing criminal attorney, I have seen what people will do in good times. One client beat a blind man's head in with a brick to steal a few dollars.

Sentiments of sharing are great, but I can promise, it will not go as planned. The first rule about survival club is not to talk about survival club. The second rule is be able to defend. I have had many tell me that they are coming to my house, just because I am LDS, and they will be sharing with me. Will not happen. Decide what you think is best, but I don't think it will work out like you think it will. Why hurt your family for one who failed to follow the counsel of a prophet, or even just plain common sense?

[Ahab]

Sentiments of sharing are great, but I can promise, it will not go as planned. The first rule about survival club is not to talk about survival club. The second rule is be able to defend. I have had many tell me that they are coming to my house, just because I am LDS, and they will be sharing with me. Will not happen. Decide what you think is best, but I don't think it will work out like you think it will. Why hurt your family for one who failed to follow the counsel of a prophet, or even just plain common sense?

Here's a tip from a more practical point of view.

Get as many true friends to join with you, instead of trying to go it alone. That way you'll be better able to defend against evil.

Now what's this you say about a survival club? Don't you think it might help others to know how to form or join one?