Shots fired on my campus today. Charlie Kirk TPUSA leader dead

[Rain]

On 9/17/2025 at 3:37 AM, rodheadlee said:

I think the numbing  began when politicians trried to make their point off of these school shootings. Demanding gun control. 300 million Americans aren't going to turn in 500 million guns.

I agree that there is no way people will just turn in guns.  

On 9/17/2025 at 3:37 AM, rodheadlee said:

Any school could be made safe it, will cost a bit of money but it could be done. You need two Sally ports with metal detectors and you need bulletproof glass on the outer Windows facing the streets. A couple of trained armed guards on duty full time and this would be the end of the school shootings.

This is a bandaid though.  You can ultimately defend all the schools, but are we going to do it to all the churches too?  And the McDonalds playlands?  And parks. Movie theaters. Department stores?  It's never ending.

On 9/17/2025 at 3:37 AM, rodheadlee said:

I suppose they could

 

always print one of those plastic guns and sneak it in or they can simply print out a knife and bring it in and stab everybody.

I think the main reason we have more mortal violence is because our country has become Godless.

I very much believe in God and his love for us, but I also know atheists who act like Christians are supposed to, except for the religious parts. I also know many who believe in God who are not kind. I think the reason for the violence is something more than the country becoming Godless.

I don't know how to stop it, but I wish people would stop taking political sides on it and just come together and discuss it because of their love for their fellow man.

On 9/17/2025 at 3:37 AM, rodheadlee said:

Duncan I recommend the song Abraham Martin and John by Dion. It may help you settle some of these things in your mind. I would post it link but I'm a internet luddite with this phone.

 

 

Edited September 18, 2025 by Rain

[Calm]

4 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said:

"Put an end to this nonsense"?  Well, I guess Tyler Robinson did a damn good job of that, didn't he?  Tyler Robinson did a damn good job of that.

That is not the implication of what Duncan wrote (“worshipping Charlie and denigrating the "left"”).  The shooter made that much, much worse, imo.  (Not saying all responses from Kirk’s supporters fall into that category).  

Serious question…

Is poking/lashing out at each other….is it making either of you (or anyone else doing it) feel any better overall and not just in the few moments after you write it and hit send…

I will keep my mouth shut if it’s actually contributing to feelings of peace or at least a lessening of struggles, but not seeing improvement of people’s vibes who are striking out  imo the last few days, though I get that it’s likely more to do with what’s happening elsewhere.  It’s a pity imo this board won’t be seen as a refuge from the upheaval by some.  I would like to see that for both Duncan and Ken and anyone else struggling right now.

Edited September 18, 2025 by Calm

[Kenngo1969]

30 minutes ago, Calm said:

Except he didn’t know who the shooter was and why he did it.  I agree he was supportive of the shooting itself, but agreeing he was defending the shooter would require me to know his current feelings.  There is too much easily inferred that could be inaccurate in the ambiguous phrase “defending the shooter” and in this atmosphere I think we need to be very careful in describing or even just implying possible motivations.

How about he was defending who he thought the shooter was?

From a criminal liability standpoint, George Zinn's support of Tyler Robinson can be inferred from the fact that, whatever his motives or intentions were, George Zinn's actions did, in fact, support [aid, help, etc.] Robinson. 

[Duncan]

36 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said:

"Put an end to this nonsense"?  Well, I guess Tyler Robinson did a damn good job of that, didn't he?  Tyler Robinson did a damn good job of that.

 and how can we root out the tyler robinson before anything happens is the next question

Edited September 17, 2025 by Duncan

[Calm]

9 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said:

From a criminal liability standpoint, George Zinn's support of Tyler Robinson can be inferred from the fact that, whatever his motives or intentions were, George Zinn's actions did, in fact, support [aid, help, etc.] Robinson. 

Maybe you were speaking of criminal liability, I was focused on how such would impact the greater dialogue going on.  I don’t see that ambiguous phrasing as increasing understanding, but contributing to confusion, which seems the me to also be leading to more conflict.

[blackstrap]

1 hour ago, Duncan said:

and how can we root out the tyler robinson before anything happens is the next question

If only they could have found all of the social media posts to and from him BEFORE the act. All they needed to do was monitor all social media all the time. I wonder if anyone is working on that currently ? Hmmm ...

[bluebell]

1 hour ago, Duncan said:

 and how can we root out the tyler robinson before anything happens is the next question

This mother asked her 20 something, video game playing, white sons their thoughts on this tragedy, and I think their answer was astute.

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I’m kind of done posting about Charlie Kirk and his death. 

But since I have two sons who are 20-something white straight guys who play video games, I thought I’d give their take, for the rest of us who aren’t in our 20s and don’t play video games online.

The inscriptions on the bullets are from a video game, “Helldivers.”

I’m a big sci-fi fan, and I loved Heinlein growing up, so “Starship Troopers” was a short story and movie that mystified me: To me, it was clear that it was an anti-fascist satire, but apparently real fascists embrace it and love it.

So, as one son explained it to me:

“The “Helldivers” game is like “Starship Troopers,” where you’re in a fascist empire that has a special uber-mensch class who are the only defenders of democracy.

“It’s very obviously a satire of American imperialism and fascism, because you’re invading sentient bugs for oil, and enslaving them in oil production camps, and enslaving sentient communist robots who rebelled.

“You’re basically fighting anti-American sentiment internationally.

“It’s clear satire, but it’s fun to fight as a fascist because you’re killing aliens who are awful. It works on both levels: Fascists love it, and anti-fascists love it, and they’re making money from everyone.

“You yell “For Democracy” and kill insurgents who want freedom, but there’s no democracy, because it’s a controlled state.”

So, given that, what does the Charlie Kirk shooter stand for?

From my 25-year-old video-game-playing, white, history-major meme guy:

“The shooter thought Charlie Kirk was a fascist. He put it on a bullet. He might think Kirk is a fascist because the shooter is so left-wing, or because the shooter is so right-wing.

“It’s horseshoe theory — both sides have become so radicalized that the shooter could be on either side — there’s no distinction right now because they’re both trying to take down the government, and they both claim to be anti-fascist freedom fighters.

“Two of the memes on the bullets are anti-fascist, two are weird because they’re homophobic.

“They’re homophobic memes used by right-wingers — 4chan memes that have spread into right-wing circles.

“It feels like intentionally a “haha I did it for the lulz”. It’s a nihilistic, “I like Helldivers, I think this guy is a fascist, so I killed him.” 

“It’s not that deep. He’s suicidal and depressed and there’s no real future for young white guys.  He wanted to kill someone to leave a mark on the world. 

“Anyone claiming him or rejecting him as one of their own is missing the point: He’s every 20-something white guy. Even me. We all fantasize about being the hero and taking out the bad guys. 

“That’s the whole point of video games. So he saw Charlie Kirk as a bad guy because Kirk wanted the Epstein files released and was anti-Trump. 

“Or he saw Charlie Kirk as a bad guy because he was pro-Trump. Doesn’t really matter why, does it?

“What matters is that there’s a whole generation of people who have grown up believing that a bullet with the bad guy’s name on it is the only way to change things.

“And they’re being proven right every day, and they’re changing things. Things have changed since yesterday, haven’t they?

 

 

[juliann]

9 hours ago, Duncan said:

so you wouldn't agree with Charlie Kirk who said, in 2023, that Joe Biden should “put in prison and/or given the death penalty for his crimes against America.”???

Oh for heaven's sakes. I looked that one up. He said it as an aside while on another topic and must have never brought it up again or it would be another bumper sticker. Yeah, it's over the top but at no point did he say he should be assasinated. I am just learning about Kirk, it seems it is mostly evangelical based stuff. There are things to debate with him, but it would sure help if people could at least be honest about him instead of making him an offender for a word. Didn't we get enough of that on the message boards? I can't believe the stuff I am reading about what he said and then when I chase it down it wasn't what he said at all. 

[Duncan]

5 minutes ago, juliann said:

Oh for heaven's sakes. I looked that one up. He said it as an aside while on another topic and must have never brought it up again or it would be another bumper sticker. Yeah, it's over the top but at no point did he say he should be assasinated. I am just learning about Kirk, it seems it is mostly evangelical based stuff. There are things to debate with him, but it would sure help if people could at least be honest about him instead of making him an offender for a word. Didn't we get enough of that on the message boards? I can't believe the stuff I am reading about what he said and then when I chase it down it wasn't what he said at all. 

so, "he said it" but he didn't say he should be assassinated, executed but not assassinated, is that what you are saying? 

For heaven's sakes, Kirk is learning that now for sure, he didn't get the truth here so hopefully he'll get it there

[Zosimus]

9 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said:

Charlie Kirk was talking about President Biden being given the death penalty for an alleged crime

Does that make it ok? Charlie Kirk himself said accusing your political opponents of crimes to silence them is the stuff of dictatorships

Its exhausting that we all feel so wedded to political ideologies that we can't think straight or consistently for ourselves. When anything happens in America or the world we immediately take to the TV or social media to understand how we are supposed to think about it. America needs to collectively turn all these people off

[webbles]

3 hours ago, blackstrap said:

If only they could have found all of the social media posts to and from him BEFORE the act. All they needed to do was monitor all social media all the time. I wonder if anyone is working on that currently ? Hmmm ...

Has there been any thing about the perpetrator posting stuff in social media?  The closest I can find is Discord and it was a private chat between him and his roommate.  That isn't really social media and I really don't want the government spying on private conversations between people.

[Zosimus]

"I am pleased to inform our many U.S.A. Patriots that I am designating ANTIFA, A SICK, DANGEROUS, RADICAL LEFT DISASTER, AS A MAJOR TERRORIST ORGANIZATION..." - President Donald J. Trump

And here we are. From today, if you say anything against fascism in America, you are a terrorist and can be dealt with accordingly.

Wasn't the second amendment to protect ourselves from this exact thing?

 

[Zosimus]

15 minutes ago, webbles said:

Has there been any thing about the perpetrator posting stuff in social media?  The closest I can find is Discord and it was a private chat between him and his roommate.  That isn't really social media and I really don't want the government spying on private conversations between people.

Beyond the private chat, I haven't seen anything reliably authentic. The closest I've seen is this report supposedly including screenshots from the Discord group Robinson was in. 

https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/exclusive-leaked-messages-from-charlie

If those are authentic, it's super sad. It seems to be a server of friends in southern Utah playing video games, seemingly apolitical. The last post in there makes me think the screenshots are authentic, and that the kids are active Mormons:

[Tacenda]

4 hours ago, bluebell said:

This mother asked her 20 something, video game playing, white sons their thoughts on this tragedy, and I think their answer was astute.

 

My thoughts to add to you and your sons' input is that a short time ago there was shooter that was a trans person and the backlash for that and the Pam Bondi's out there it made me wonder if Tyler Robinson was afraid for his lover, the soon to be transitioning transsexual, and took out those feelings on Charlie Kirk. But for sure, the kind of gaming you mentioned, could be a piece of the puzzle. And if Tyler Robinson is gay and LDS, it's pretty difficult mentally, IMO.

Edited September 18, 2025 by Tacenda

[Tacenda]

The many firings of people for saying negative things about Charlie Kirk is getting scary. The latest is Jimmy Kimmel's firing. All he said was that the shooter (Robinson) could be a Trump supporter and Republican. Or I believe this is the exact quote, "The Maga Gang desperately trying to characterise this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it."The FCC, or Brandon Carr who was put in by Trump's admin went after ABC to fire Kimmel, same as what happened to Stephen Colbert. And Pam Bondi's going after those with hate speech and feels like that's just fine, my words. https://www.azcentral.com/story/entertainment/media/2025/07/29/brendan-carr-fcc-trump/85415115007/

It seems to me, Democracy is very close to vanishing.

 

Edited September 18, 2025 by Tacenda

[Tacenda]

1 hour ago, Zosimus said:

"I am pleased to inform our many U.S.A. Patriots that I am designating ANTIFA, A SICK, DANGEROUS, RADICAL LEFT DISASTER, AS A MAJOR TERRORIST ORGANIZATION..." - President Donald J. Trump

And here we are. From today, if you say anything against fascism in America, you are a terrorist and can be dealt with accordingly.

Wasn't the second amendment to protect ourselves from this exact thing?

 

Never thought I'd see this in my lifetime.

[Zosimus]

40 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Never thought I'd see this in my lifetime.

Antifa = Anti-fascism

A historian once wrote: "trying to define 'fascism' is like trying to nail jelly to the wall"

If small government conservatives don't stand up against any executive order declaring all people who have the wrong political ideas according to one single guy sitting in Washington DC, who will? If anyone else without conservative bona fides stands up, what...publicly shamed? Lose their jobs? Passports revoked? Jail? Something else?

This is getting out of hand fast, and based on the responses I see in conservative forums, I have zero confidence that the people that can stop it will do anything to stop it. If anything they are too busy trying to decide which groups on their own side are fascist or anti-fascist 🫣

[InCognitus]

2 hours ago, Zosimus said:

Beyond the private chat, I haven't seen anything reliably authentic. The closest I've seen is this report supposedly including screenshots from the Discord group Robinson was in. 

KSL posted a news story yesterday that includes some of the chat conversation, and gives details of how he was turned in:   "'I had the opportunity,' suspected Charlie Kirk assassin allegedly told roommate"

[Zosimus]

7 minutes ago, InCognitus said:

KSL posted a news story yesterday that includes some of the chat conversation, and gives details of how he was turned in:   "'I had the opportunity,' suspected Charlie Kirk assassin allegedly told roommate"

That's the letter left under the keyboard, part of the private exchange between the shooter and the roommate (lover). Weebles was asking for any social media messages posted beyond that. The link I shared is supposedly from the gamer group the shooter was in. If the journalist isn't exaggerating, that group seems like nothing more dangerous or radical than a bunch of Mormon kids in Southern Utah chatting while they play video games

Edited September 18, 2025 by Zosimus

[Calm]

56 minutes ago, Zosimus said:

That's the letter left under the keyboard, part of the private exchange between the shooter and the roommate (lover). Weebles was asking for any social media messages posted beyond that. The link I shared is supposedly from the gamer group the shooter was in. If the journalist isn't exaggerating, that group seems like nothing more dangerous or radical than a bunch of Mormon kids in Southern Utah chatting while they play video games

If this was actually from the shooter to the group, then it doesn’t sound like he thought the group would applaud him.

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Hey guys, I have bad news for you all...It was me at UVU yesterday. im sorry for all of this," one of the messages read.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/students-utah-valley-university-return-charlie-kirk/story?id=125663166

I can’t remember if someone has posted this already, the charging document…

https://utahnewsdispatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/TJR-Information-1.pdf

Edited September 18, 2025 by Calm

[bluebell]

10 hours ago, Tacenda said:

My thoughts to add to you and your sons' input is that a short time ago there was shooter that was a trans person and the backlash for that and the Pam Bondi's out there it made me wonder if Tyler Robinson was afraid for his lover, the soon to be transitioning transsexual, and took out those feelings on Charlie Kirk. But for sure, the kind of gaming you mentioned, could be a piece of the puzzle. And if Tyler Robinson is gay and LDS, it's pretty difficult mentally, IMO.

Just to clarify, this wasn’t my quote or my sons. This woman is an author that I’ve never heard of. I can try to find her name again if you’d like it. 😊

[bsjkki]

9 hours ago, Tacenda said:

Never thought I'd see this in my lifetime.

I didn’t think Antifa would ever be held accountable for the violence and terror they spread. 

[bsjkki]

10 hours ago, Tacenda said:

The many firings of people for saying negative things about Charlie Kirk is getting scary. The latest is Jimmy Kimmel's firing. All he said was that the shooter (Robinson) could be a Trump supporter and Republican. Or I believe this is the exact quote, "The Maga Gang desperately trying to characterise this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it."The FCC, or Brandon Carr who was put in by Trump's admin went after ABC to fire Kimmel, same as what happened to Stephen Colbert. And Pam Bondi's going after those with hate speech and feels like that's just fine, my words. https://www.azcentral.com/story/entertainment/media/2025/07/29/brendan-carr-fcc-trump/85415115007/

It seems to me, Democracy is very close to vanishing.

 

Tacenda…a free speech advocate was just assassinated for his beliefs. I read this and was completely dumbfounded. Not only does it ignore the last decade of censorship and canceling of Republicans by private employers under government pressure/organized advertiser boycotts to shut down speech not approved by the left, it also comes off that you are much more concerned with the suspending of Kimmel by his private employers than  the actual murder of Charlie Kirk. 
 

I read this and thought of what a bubble of news you must be exposed to. 
 

If you would like, I will find and list all the government backed censorship campaigns against conservative ideas, individuals and companies of the last decade. Would that be helpful? 

Edited September 18, 2025 by bsjkki

[Calm]

48 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

Tacenda…a free speech advocate was just assassinated for his beliefs. I read this and was completely dumbfounded. Not only does it ignore the last decade of censorship and canceling of Republicans by private employers under government pressure/organized advertiser boycotts to shut down speech not approved by the left, it also comes off that you are much more concerned with the suspending of Kimmel by his private employers than  the actual murder of Charlie Kirk. 
 

I read this and thought of what a bubble of news you must be exposed to. 
 

If you would like, I will find and list all the government backed censorship campaigns against conservative ideas, individuals and companies of the last decade. Would that be helpful? 

I got the impression Tacenda is surprised because in the past it was often the conservatives being canceled and protesting  “cancel culture” (quoted as a frequently used label, not scare quotes), but now she believes the conservatives are doing the same thing.  If both the liberals and conservatives push for cancel culture when offended and corporations go along with both, that is how she sees democracy and free speech disappearing…no one is truly defending it.

But she can correct me if I have misunderstood.

Edited September 18, 2025 by Calm

[bsjkki]

43 minutes ago, Calm said:

I got the impression Tacenda is surprised because in the past it was often the conservatives being canceled and protesting  “cancel culture” (quoted as a frequently used label, not scare quotes), but now she believes the conservatives are doing the same thing.  If both the liberals and conservatives push for cancel culture when offended and corporations go along with both, that is how she sees democracy and free speech disappearing…no one is truly defending it.

But she can correct me if I have misunderstood.

I’ve been watching libs cheer a murder and mourn a suspension. I hope I am wrong. The entertainment business is tough and people are fired all the time. Kimmel cheered the previous ‘cancellations.’ 
 

The hypocrisy is off the charts. 
 

Companies, as we’ve been lectured endlessly about, have the right to fire employees. I would not want a teacher in the classroom with my grandkids who cheered an assassination. 
 

Bondi was quick to clarify her ‘hate speech’ comments and was called out by the right. 
 

The whole framing of the post is from a certain viewpoint perspective. ‘All he said.. ‘ He lied about who killed Kirk to smear those in mourning and purposely spread a lie. 
 

Stephen Colbert was fired for losing millions each year. 
 

I don’t ever remember her being concerned when conservatives were systematically deplatformed  
under government pressure. 
 

Free speech does not mean you are free from consequences. Kimmel can speak freely but ABC does not need to give him a platform to do it. 

 

Edited September 18, 2025 by bsjkki