Did Joseph Smith teach Adam-God?

[california boy]

49 minutes ago, Grug the Neanderthal said:

Yes he has. He doesn’t approve of it and never will. The scriptures are very clear that God is not okay with homosexual sex. The scriptures are also clear that God defines marriage as being between a man and a woman. 

 

So where exactly is this revelation recorded?

I agree that God approves of mixed marriages.  But where in the scriptures does God say he does not approve of same sex marriages? 

You are  just making assumptions that is the only marriage God accepts.

[Grug the Neanderthal]

14 minutes ago, california boy said:

But where in the scriptures does God say he does not approve of same sex marriages? 

22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. (Leviticus 18)

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination (Leviticus 20)

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; (Romans 1)

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, (1 Cor 6)

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; (1 Timothy 1)

God doesn’t approve of homosexual sex period. Which means he doesn’t approve of homosexual marriages. 

And in regards to the consistent teachings of the servants of God in this dispensation, who have clearly taught that God does not approve of homosexual marriages and never will, this is scripture, too. 

4 And whatsoever they shall speak when moved upon by the Holy Ghost shall be scripture, shall be the will of the Lord, shall be the mind of the Lord, shall be the word of the Lord, shall be the voice of the Lord, and the power of God unto salvation. (D&C 68)

 

Edited March 16, 2023 by Grug the Neanderthal

[Dario_M]

10 hours ago, bluebell said:

Yes, the law of Chastity is doctrine for both gay and straight members.  Both can be excommunicated for having sex outside of marriage.  But gay people are in a tougher situation because they can also be excommunicated for having sex within a same sex marriage.

Ooh it whas the law of chastity the quote i have read? But the law of chastity is one of the 10 commitments though? Confusing. 🤯  

But still though...nothing specafiek about gay people. At least i didn't readed anything about that in it. 

[Dario_M]

6 hours ago, Grug the Neanderthal said:

22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. (Leviticus 18)

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination (Leviticus 20)

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; (Romans 1)

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, (1 Cor 6)

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; (1 Timothy 1)

God doesn’t approve of homosexual sex period. Which means he doesn’t approve of homosexual marriages. 

And in regards to the consistent teachings of the servants of God in this dispensation, who have clearly taught that God does not approve of homosexual marriages and never will, this is scripture, too. 

4 And whatsoever they shall speak when moved upon by the Holy Ghost shall be scripture, shall be the will of the Lord, shall be the mind of the Lord, shall be the word of the Lord, shall be the voice of the Lord, and the power of God unto salvation. (D&C 68)

 

Sorry but in all those qoutes i don't read anything about being gay is forbidden. You can make everything of it if you read it. It's not clear at all

You know... i also thought that i saw in one of your qouts that baking a cake is also forbidden. Kookook!! 👎👎👎

No nothing specafiek about homosexuals sorry. I didn't read in any of your qoutes literally that Homosexsuels may not have relationships or sex with the same gender. 

It is good with you Neanderthal. 👋

 

Edited March 16, 2023 by Dario_M

[Grug the Neanderthal]

3 hours ago, Dario_M said:

Sorry but in all those qoutes i don't read anything about being gay is forbidden. You can make everything of it if you read it. It's not clear at all

You know... i also thought that i saw in one of your qouts that baking a cake is also forbidden. Kookook!! 👎👎👎

No nothing specafiek about homosexuals sorry. I didn't read in any of your qoutes literally that Homosexsuels may not have relationships or sex with the same gender. 

It is good with you Neanderthal. 👋

 

Here, let’s look at these exact same verses in a more modern translation. This is from the NIV:

Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin. (Leviticus 18:22)

If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. (Leviticus 20:13)

24So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. 25They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. 26That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved. (Romans 1)

9Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, 10or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6)

8We know that the law is good when used correctly. 9For the law was not intended for people who do what is right. It is for people who are lawless and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who kill their father or mother or commit other murders. 10The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders,c liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching 11that comes from the glorious Good News entrusted to me by our blessed God. (1 Timothy 1)

[Dario_M]

Oh my oh my.... i have travelt i bit to the most extreme westside of the whole Portugal right now by train.

 I am watching the ocean in your direction right now. Your direction guys!!. You guys are there on the other side of the ocean.  Isn't that amazing? I feel like i'm closer to you all. I'm looking into the ocean.💦💦💦 A lot of water.

I needed this trip today. God bless you all my dear friends. You guys are amazing. 🥰🥰🥰 I feel nothing more then love for you all. 🥰🥰🙏🙏🙏🌈

 

Sorry for the offtopic. Needed to get this from my chest. 

Edited March 16, 2023 by Dario_M

[Tacenda]

57 minutes ago, Grug the Neanderthal said:

Here, let’s look at these exact same verses in a more modern translation. This is from the NIV:

Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin. (Leviticus 18:22)

If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. (Leviticus 20:13)

24So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. 25They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. 26That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved. (Romans 1)

9Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, 10or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6)

8We know that the law is good when used correctly. 9For the law was not intended for people who do what is right. It is for people who are lawless and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who kill their father or mother or commit other murders. 10The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders,c liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching 11that comes from the glorious Good News entrusted to me by our blessed God. (1 Timothy 1)

IMO, these are just men that are translating scripture, since the word homosexuality wasn't in the bible, as I told you, since 1940 something. They are putting it into plainer language and it's their take on the scripture, it's not God breathed, just as the many other scriptures aren't, they're man made. You're putting too much faith in men's words, IMO. I could never believe the bible is God breathed, or I'd quit believing in Him. Meaning the horrible things men say God did to women and children, killing them? Or that scripture harmed so many throughout lifetimes. 

Edited March 16, 2023 by Tacenda

[Tacenda]

15 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

Oh my oh my.... i have travelt i bit to the most extreme westside of the whole Portugal right now by train.

 I am watching the ocean in your direction right now. Your direction guys!!. You guys are there on the other side of the ocean.  Isn't that amazing? I feel like i'm closer to you all. I'm looking into the ocean.💦💦💦 A lot of water.

I needed this trip today. God bless you all my dear friends. You guys are amazing. 🥰🥰🥰 I feel nothing more then love for you all. 🥰🥰🙏🙏🙏🌈

 

Sorry for the offtopic. Needed to get this from my chest. 

Looking back at you! And that sounds like a great way to start the day, or end the day? One of the many things I like about this board is meeting people all over the world while sitting on my couch, lol! Hope you keep posting, your posts are awesome!

 

[Grug the Neanderthal]

19 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

They are putting it into plainer language and it's their take on the scripture, it's not God breathed, just as the many other scriptures aren't, they're man made.

Are you saying that the more plain modern translation is wrong because it’s “man made" or that the original ancient Hebrew and Greek text is wrong because it’s "man made?"

And how do you know either are man made and not from God?

19 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

You're putting too much faith in men's words, IMO. I could never believe the bible is God breathed, or I'd quit believing in Him.

So if you don’t believe the Bible or (any other scripture I presume) to be the word of God, how do you suggest that mankind is to know God’s will?

Edited March 16, 2023 by Grug the Neanderthal

[JLHPROF]

19 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

IMO, these are just men that are translating scripture, since the word homosexuality wasn't in the bible, as I told you, since 1940 something. They are putting it into plainer language and it's their take on the scripture, it's not God breathed, just as the many other scriptures aren't, they're man made. You're putting too much faith in men's words, IMO. I could never believe the bible is God breathed, or I'd quit believing in Him. Meaning the horrible things men say God did to women and children, killing them? Or that scripture harmed so many throughout lifetimes. 

We've been here before Tacenda.  Everything we know about God comes from man's recorded dealing with him.

I agree with you and Brigham that the Bible contains God's word and a lot of other words not from God at all.

But without it the only God we know would be the one our imagination made up.

[Dario_M]

1 hour ago, Tacenda said:

Looking back at you! And that sounds like a great way to start the day, or end the day? One of the many things I like about this board is meeting people all over the world while sitting on my couch, lol! Hope you keep posting, your posts are awesome!

 

Your posts are also really nice an awesome. I love reading your post. I'm always agreed with all your posts dear Tacenda.🥰🥰🥰 God bless you. 🙏

Edited March 16, 2023 by Dario_M

[MustardSeed]

1 hour ago, JLHPROF said:

But without it the only God we know would be the one our imagination made up.

I am not anti-scripture. But what does this prove?
Ever since I was a child, I have been asking how to interpret scripture. The only thing that I can make sense of is to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and to interpret scripture personally for me alone through that relationship. So to have somebody tell me how to interpret scripture or what scripture means flies in the face of what I understand about scripture. 

 

[Dario_M]

2 hours ago, Grug the Neanderthal said:

Here, let’s look at these exact same verses in a more modern translation. This is from the NIV:

Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin. (Leviticus 18:22)

If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. (Leviticus 20:13)

24So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. 25They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. 26That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved. (Romans 1)

 

And what where those penalty's for those man?? if i may be so free to ask??? You know what. Never mind i allready know. ..Death?? 💀

In the Renaissance the Catholics and Protestants did the same horible things with gay man an females who (in that time) they saw them as witches.  🔥

I'm happy that the LDS church never did such an horible practises like the Catholics and Protestants did long time ago.  ✝️💜🙏

Edited March 16, 2023 by Dario_M

[Dario_M]

38 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

I am not anti-scripture. But what does this prove?
Ever since I was a child, I have been asking how to interpret scripture. The only thing that I can make sense of is to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and to interpret scripture personally for me alone through that relationship. So to have somebody tell me how to interpret scripture or what scripture means flies in the face of what I understand about scripture. 

 

Someting goes wrong with the upvotes and townvotes. Sorry about that. I ment to upvote your last post. ⬆️

Edited March 16, 2023 by Dario_M

[Grug the Neanderthal]

18 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

Someting goes wrong with the upvotes and townvotes. Sorry about that. I ment to upvote your last post. ⬆️

You can always go back and change it if you want.

[Dario_M]

14 minutes ago, Grug the Neanderthal said:

You can always go back and change it if you want.

That's what i'm trying to do but it doesn't work. 😞

[Tacenda]

2 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

We've been here before Tacenda.  Everything we know about God comes from man's recorded dealing with him.

I agree with you and Brigham that the Bible contains God's word and a lot of other words not from God at all.

But without it the only God we know would be the one our imagination made up.

I was scared if my post came off badly, thank you for some understanding. I look around me and that's all I need to know that God exists, so many creatures, and I do believe some things in the Bible and that it was like a recording of different peoples. So that leaves open a belief in Jesus and His teachings. 

[Tacenda]

3 hours ago, Grug the Neanderthal said:

Are you saying that the more plain modern translation is wrong because it’s “man made" or that the original ancient Hebrew and Greek text is wrong because it’s "man made?"

And how do you know either are man made and not from God?

So if you don’t believe the Bible or (any other scripture I presume) to be the word of God, how do you suggest that mankind is to know God’s will?

My compass, God given. The kingdom dwells within us?

[JLHPROF]

1 hour ago, MustardSeed said:

I am not anti-scripture. But what does this prove?
Ever since I was a child, I have been asking how to interpret scripture. The only thing that I can make sense of is to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and to interpret scripture personally for me alone through that relationship. So to have somebody tell me how to interpret scripture or what scripture means flies in the face of what I understand about scripture. 

 

The only thing you know about the Jesus Christ you want a relationship with is what you were told by men - Matthew, Mark, Paul, Moroni, Joseph Smith etc 

If you don't want men interpreting scripture for you it's still required to recognize that scripture is still the words of men.

[pogi]

16 hours ago, Grug the Neanderthal said:

This is not accurate. The church doesn’t really use gay, lesbian, bisexual, etc. as labels for people.

The church states that it is ok to use those labels for those who identify with those labels.  I already posted several examples from that website, including "Does the plan of salvation apply to gay people?"  

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Terminology

 

Sexual orientation may refer to emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions as well as a sense of identity. For some, it is helpful to distinguish between sexual attraction, emotional attraction, and identity, rather than grouping them all together as “sexual orientation.”

The most common labels are lesbian (a woman attracted to women), gay (a man attracted to men), and bisexual (a man or woman attracted to both genders). Some women may also use the term gay to describe themselves. People may use other labels, and some who experience same-sex attraction choose not to use a label to describe themselves. How people choose to identify may change over time.

Attraction is not identity. People can make their own choices about how to identify. There are active, temple recommend–holding Church members who comply with the law of chastity and identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual. There are active Church members who experience same-sex attraction and never choose to identify themselves using a label. Our primary identity will always be as a child of God.

Sexual orientation and gender identity

 

Same-sex attraction (SSA) refers to emotional, physical, romantic, or sexual attraction to a person of the same gender. If you experience same-sex attraction, you may or may not choose to use a sexual orientation label to describe yourself. Either way, same-sex attraction is a technical term describing the experience without imposing a label. This website uses this term to be inclusive of people who are not comfortable using a label, not to deny the existence of a gay, lesbian, or bisexual identity.

 

 

In the "Divine Institution of Marriage, the church uses the label "homosexual":

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"The Church's oppositin to same-sex marriage neither constitutes nor condones any kind of hostility towards homosexual men and women."

The church made a similar statement but used the labels "gays" and "lesbians" in this response to backlash from prop 8:

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"The Church's opposition to same-sex marriage neither constitutes nor consones any kind of hostility towards gays and lesbians."

16 hours ago, Grug the Neanderthal said:

Definitely not in the way you were suggesting in the comment I responded to:

Clearly, they do. 

[pogi]

3 hours ago, Grug the Neanderthal said:

Are you saying that the more plain modern translation is wrong because it’s “man made" or that the original ancient Hebrew and Greek text is wrong because it’s "man made?"

It is wrong because the term "homosexual" didn't exist  back then (in any language).  Clearly a bad translation. 

Edited March 16, 2023 by pogi

[Tacenda]

7 minutes ago, pogi said:

The church states that it is ok to use those labels for those who identify with those labels.  I already posted several examples from that website, including "Does the plan of salvation apply to gay people?"  

 

In the "Divine Institution of Marriage, the church uses the label "homosexual":

The church made a similar statement but used the labels "gays" and "lesbians" in this response to backlash from prop 8:

Clearly, they do. 

Thanks for these statements. Are these for sure from the first presidency? Tending my granddaughter, sorry if you've mentioned/listed the link.

[pogi]

2 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Thanks for these statements. Are these for sure from the first presidency? Tending my granddaughter, sorry if you've mentioned/listed the link.

These are official statements by the church.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/gay?lang=eng

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In Salt Lake City, for example, the Church supported ordinances to protect gay residents from discrimination in housing and employment.[24]

The Church’s affirmation of marriage as being between a man and a woman “neither constitutes nor condones any kind of hostility toward gays and lesbians.”[25] Church members are to treat all people with love and humanity. They may express genuine love and kindness toward a gay or lesbian family member, friend, or other person without condoning any redefinition of marriage.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/the-divine-institution-of-marriage

 

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“The Church’s opposition to same-sex marriage neither constitutes nor condones any kind of hostility towards homosexual men and women. Protecting marriage between a man and a woman does not affect Church members’ Christian obligations of love, kindness and humanity toward all people. … We can express genuine love and friendship for a homosexual family member or friend without accepting the practice of homosexuality or any re-definition of marriage” (“The Divine Institution of Marriage,”

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/doctrine-and-covenants-and-church-history-seminary-teacher-manual-2014/section-02/lesson-56?lang=eng

 

[CA Steve]

21 minutes ago, pogi said:

It is wrong because the term "homosexual" didn't exist  back then (in any language).  Clearly a bad translation. 

I don't know about others, but I am not going to tell someone they are condemned to death based on a 2000± year-old, or more, text written by unknown authors in a different language, redacted and re-translated who knows how many times. 

[Tacenda]

5 minutes ago, CA Steve said:

I don't know about others, but I am not going to tell someone they are condemned to death based on a 2000± year-old, or more, text written by unknown authors in a different language, redacted and re-translated who knows how many times. 

Good one.