Did Joseph Smith teach Adam-God?

[pogi]

6 hours ago, Grug the Neanderthal said:

Hostile. 

Calm was one of 14 individuals who upvoted this aggressive and hostile post in which another poster had twisted my words and employed a straw man argument against me. The fact that she was one of 14 individuals who did this supports my point that she is only doing what is a common practice on this board. 

Too be fair Calm does this far less frequently than other posters do. Like I said, I hold no malice towards her. I don't believe that she is lying or playing mind games. I believe she's just going with the flow and doing what is considered acceptable around here. 

But let's drop this. There's no point in arguing about differences in perception. 

Yes, there is a perception problem here.   No one would ever generate 14 likes for an "aggressive" and "openly hostile" post that is baselessly attacking a "strawman".  That would never happen.  This tells me that your perception of this board is totally skewed.  You have a victim mentality and perceive us all as a tribe conspiring against you and seem to be blind of any fault on your part.    It appears that I wasn't the only one with that perception of your comments.  That should tell you something about how you are coming across on this board and how you are perceived.   You make some pretty hefty accusations of hostility in my comment, attacking my character, and then try to stop all further discussion about it.  You are not as innocent as you would have us all believe.  You have your own antics.  The fact that you are going after Calm for liking that specific post which 13 other people liked is very telling to me.  Truly, you don't understand people here.  You suggest that no one is trying to understand you, but I think it is more likely the other way around.  

There is only one response to you that I regret (the one you link to here is not it), and it was based on how I perceived your treatment of women (which still concerns me) and a lot of hurtful things that you were saying.  I was called out for it by many posters (even ones who liked the comments you are linking to here). That should show you that the people here are pretty fair and are not afraid to call people out when they cross the line.  

I have been on this forum for over a decade.  I think most people here would not perceive me as "hostile".  While I can be aggressive at times when I feel attacked or perceive hurtful comments/behavior, I think most would agree that I am not here to play games with strawman antics, etc.  I am pretty fair, even with those who I strongly disagree with when they are playing nice.   My other trigger is when people display what I would consider to be an exceptionally arrogant confidence.  I don't like those who come across as arbiters of truth as they patronize the rest of us with their rigid scriptural literalism.  That never goes over well on forums directed towards healthy dialogue.  There is no room for discussion and dialogue when you are the arbiter of truth (I know that you will deny this but that is how it comes across) who condescends upon us.   

Edited March 21, 2023 by pogi

[Dario_M]

So... Neanderthal? And?? Do you have something to say about all the comments you get right now? I a actually think you even own Calm an apology.

Edited March 21, 2023 by Dario_M

[CV75]

5 hours ago, Grug the Neanderthal said:

The scriptures speak of mysteries of God that only those who are diligent and spiritually mature enough can understand. According to Brigham Young, Adam-God is one of the mysteries of God that is puzzling to many. Joseph Smith also spoke of not being able to say all he knew about truths or mysteries because the people were not prepared to receive them. If Adam-God is true, then I believe that it is one of the mysteries spoken of in the scriptures. 

Thank you. The teachings Joseph Smith chose to share with his audience (the quotes compiled on Page 1 of this thread) seem to comport with three converging scriptural principles: being one (John 17); divine investiture of authority (Mosiah chapters 3 and 15; Helaman 14); and “one eternal round” (D&C 35:1-2; 88:51-61). These scriptures allow for the various orders of people -- exalted, pre-mortal, paradisical, mortal, translated, post-mortal and resurrected (and whatever else there may be!) – to share the same space, some with more awareness than others.

[Grug the Neanderthal]

1 hour ago, pogi said:

No one would ever generate 14 likes for an "aggressive" and "openly hostile" post that is baselessly attacking a "strawman".  That would never happen. 

And yet it did. In your post that received 14 "likes" you twisted my words and set up a straw man argument and falsely accused me of shaming and scaring women. 

1 hour ago, pogi said:

You have a victim mentality and perceive us all as a tribe conspiring against you and seem to be blind of any fault on your part. 

And there it is again. I do not have a victim mentality nor do I believe that everyone is conspiring against me. But based on my experience on this board so far, I can tell that certain views and opinions are really not welcome here and are considered threatening and offensive. People have also been very quick to assume bad intentions on my part. 

1 hour ago, pogi said:

The fact that you are going after Calm for liking that specific post which 13 other people liked is beyond me.

I'm not going after her. I was asked to provide an example of her upvoting a post that was hostile towards me (twisting words, false accusations, straw man) and I did so. I could have provided other examples, but this was the first one I found.  I even followed that up by saying that I don't hold any malice towards her and that she actually does this far less frequently than other posters (such as yourself) do. 

1 hour ago, pogi said:

While I can be aggressive at times when I feel attacked or perceive hurtful comments/behavior, I think most would agree that I am not here to play games with strawman antics, etc.  I am pretty fair, even with those who I strongly disagree with when they are playing nice.   My other trigger is when people display what I would consider to be an exceptionally arrogant confidence.  I don't like those who come across as arbiters of truth as they patronize the rest of us with their rigid scriptural literalism.

With me you have been hostile consistently pretty much right from the get go. But if you want to tell yourself that you didn't do anything wrong and that what your doing is okay because I trigger you, that's on you I guess. 

1 hour ago, pogi said:

You are not as innocent as you would have us all believe.  You have your own antics.

I don't claim to be innocent. I have been short and harsh sometimes when people have come at me first. This is wrong. I shouldn't do that. I need to do better at turning the other cheek when people such as yourself treat me with disdain. 

[pogi]

1 hour ago, Grug the Neanderthal said:

And yet it did. In your post that received 14 "likes" you twisted my words and set up a straw man argument and falsely accused me of shaming and scaring women. 

Like I said, you have a perception problem with how you come across.  You can blame all of us if you want, but 14 people saw your words the same way I did.  There seems to be an unwillingness for introspection on your part as you like to turn the blame on everyone but you. 

The funny thing is, I NEVER get 14 likes for my posts (I think that was a record for me).   I don't take credit for all the up-votes - I think it was your comments about working mothers that people were reacting to.  I called it as I saw it and it rang true for them in a big way, it seems.  

1 hour ago, Grug the Neanderthal said:

And there it is again. I do not have a victim mentality nor do I believe that everyone is conspiring against me.

Look at what you just said.  You are accusing 14 people of ganging up and dog-piling you after I  "twisted" your words in a hostile strawman attack.  You are the victim, everyone else is the problem.   It is a common theme with you.  

1 hour ago, Grug the Neanderthal said:

I'm not going after her

You singled out one of the most decent and fair posters on here and accused her (along with 14 others) of supporting hostile strawman attacks on you. 

1 hour ago, Grug the Neanderthal said:

I was asked to provide an example of her upvoting a post that was hostile towards me (twisting words, false accusations, straw man) and I did so. I could have provided other examples, but this was the first one I found. 

Yep...after you made accusations against her and were asked to back up your accusations.   The example you provided as evidence against her says a lot about you.

1 hour ago, Grug the Neanderthal said:

With me you have been hostile consistently pretty much right from the get go. But if you want to tell yourself that you didn't do anything wrong and that what your doing is okay because I trigger you, that's on you I guess. 

I don't claim to be innocent. I have been short and harsh sometimes when people have come at me first. This is wrong. I shouldn't do that. I need to do better at turning the other cheek when people such as yourself treat me with disdain. 

Yes, I don't like the patronizing and condescending attitude and the hurtful perspectives on women.   You will not receive a friendly reaction from me for that.

Edited March 21, 2023 by pogi

[Grug the Neanderthal]

56 minutes ago, pogi said:

The funny thing is, I NEVER get 14 likes for my posts (I think that was a record for me).   I don't take credit for all the up-votes - I think it was your comments about working mothers that people were reacting to.  I called it as I saw it and it rang true for them in a big way, it seems.

Thank you for proving my point. It really is unfortunate that people felt so offended and threatened by my beliefs that they were happy to support you in your hostile and aggressive condemnation of me and my beliefs, where you twisted my words, set up a straw man, and falsely accused me. And please don't try to say that you weren't being aggressive or hostile, because you have already admitted that you were and have no regrets doing so, because after all it's my fault for triggering you with my old fashioned views which aren't welcome here.

I won't be reading your comments or responding anymore. I'm tired of your antics and rude behavior. So long Pogi.