Scott Lloyd Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 48 minutes ago, Peacefully said: In my world we use the word for workarounds like this. Having to log out, go in as a visitor and then log back in, is a hack, imo. Hack (computer science), an inelegant but effective solution to a computing problem. I think yours is a fine application for that term. A synonym for workaround, just as you said. 1
Rain Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Calm said: That is new to me too. I’ve never ‘lurked’ as it was too convenient to use the unread posts program rather than trying to remember where I had last stopped reading a thread. I think part of this is how we became aware of the board. You became aware of it through FAIR?. I found it through a google search for church boards after already discarding other boards since they weren't what I was looking for. Edited July 11, 2022 by Rain 2
Popular Post Scott Lloyd Posted July 11, 2022 Popular Post Posted July 11, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, rongo said: I might already be off the rails,and grinding the rims to nubs. I'm ticked enough about this, I think you're right. It's been a great 18 years, people! Kirk out. If you take my advice you’ll reconsider when you are in a calmer state. You have to assess what the larger purpose is that has kept you coming back and posting all these years. Is it worth it to discard all that for whatever minimal impact your departure will have? I speak from experience. I’ve felt the same sense of wounded pride, ego, injustice — whatever you want to call it — that you are feeling right now. Not a lot, but often enough to have a sense of perspective. Edited July 11, 2022 by Scott Lloyd 7
Scott Lloyd Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 44 minutes ago, LoudmouthMormon said: If y'all think the modding and griping about mods at a religious discussion forum is bad, you should see what my wife has to deal with on a daily basis. She admins half a dozen chicken/hobby ranchers/poultry facebook groups. Chicken people are crazy, and there are hundreds of thousands of them. Half are "these are my babies and they have the same rights as me", half are "Chickens are for eating", and half are catfishers and spambots. My wife gets about 3-4 death threats a year - pretty much always from the animal rights activists. And the in-fighting - holy crap. We have no clue what a peaceful haven of reasonable people we have here at mormondialog. Warring chicken raisers. Could be a funny movie, or maybe a Broadway play. 4
Peacefully Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 16 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: I think yours is a fine application for that term. A synonym for workaround, just as you said. Thank you! We may not agree on everything, but I do respect your command of the English language.
Calm Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, LoudmouthMormon said: If y'all think the modding and griping about mods at a religious discussion forum is bad, you should see what my wife has to deal with on a daily basis. She admins half a dozen chicken/hobby ranchers/poultry facebook groups. Chicken people are crazy, and there are hundreds of thousands of them. Half are "these are my babies and they have the same rights as me", half are "Chickens are for eating", and half are catfishers and spambots. My wife gets about 3-4 death threats a year - pretty much always from the animal rights activists. And the in-fighting - holy crap. We have no clue what a peaceful haven of reasonable people we have here at mormondialog. I got two semideath threats, along the lines of I would be meeting my master/father, Satan, soon. Both church members. One I figured was venting because though childish, he seemed sane. The other was enough off the rails I wasn’t sure, the Internet experience was still new to me and I hadn’t realized death threats were a dime a dozen and he bragged about beating up people. And he was going to the FAIR conference like me. Edited July 11, 2022 by Calm 2
Calm Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rain said: I think part of this is how we became aware of the board. You became aware of it through FAIR?. I found it through a google search for church boards after already discarding other boards since they weren't what I was looking for. Yep. I went directly to this board because friends told me about it. And I have a very easy password to remember so it is no big deal to log back in for the occasional time I have to. Edited July 11, 2022 by Calm
Nemesis Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 3 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: Speak “for their self”? Just one more illustration of the pitfalls of using the singular they/them/their pronoun. Every bit as problematic as “he-or-she” and the he/him/his as generic pronoun. Not meaning to rag on you personally, Tacenda. The same sort of thing is apt to befall most anyone who gets entrenched in the practice of using the singular-they. I am legion…
The Nehor Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 I tried to help mod an lgbt forum once. I didn’t last long.
Tacenda Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Calm said: I keep seeing stupid suggestions for life hacks or kitchen hacks in my FB feed. On occasion when I am desperate for mindless distraction I watch them. Sometimes decent ones even worth remembering. But chances are I won’t, lol. It never shows the one that caught your interest in the first place does it, before giving up? And exiting out of all the ads and videos.
Tacenda Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Nemesis said: I am legion… Why yes, yes you are!! ETA: Thought it mean't something along the lines of being a legend, haha. So no, I do not think you are legion, haha. Here's the origin: The quote goes, “I am Legion. I am one, but I come as many.” This quote is by “Legion", himself who is one of Gods demons, as is, this becomes the demon of Judis, the reincarnation of Judas, the 15 year old girl who was tortured in the catacombs of Jerusalem two thousand years ago in the last days of Jesus. Edited July 11, 2022 by Tacenda
Emily Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, Tacenda said: It never shows the one that caught your interest in the first place does it, before giving up? And exiting out of all the ads and videos. I just look up whatever "life hack' or provocative question was posed, "Where is the cast of 'Wonder Years' today?" in an open Google search. Someone on Reddit or Snopes will have already divulged the "answer" to the click bait. Saves lots of time. Actually, I don't generally look up, "Where are child actors today?" questions anymore. The answers are inevitably boring or sad. 😞 3
Tacenda Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 3 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: Speak “for their self”? Just one more illustration of the pitfalls of using the singular they/them/their pronoun. Every bit as problematic as “he-or-she” and the he/him/his as generic pronoun. Not meaning to rag on you personally, Tacenda. The same sort of thing is apt to befall most anyone who gets entrenched in the practice of using the singular-they. Well, in my hurry, I couldn't think of a way to say it, seeing as I didn't know for sure if Nemesis is male or female. Wasn't thinking of the current singular-they controversy. Found this though. How is "they" used as a singular pronoun? "They" is already commonly used as a singular pronoun when we are talking about someone, and we don't know who they are, O'Hara notes. Using they/them pronouns for someone you do know simply represents "just a little bit of a switch." "You're just asking someone to not act as if they don't know you, but to remove gendered language from their vocabulary when they're talking about you," O'Hara says.
Hamba Tuhan Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Well, in my hurry, I couldn't think of a way to say it, seeing as I didn't know for sure if Nemesis is male or female. Personally, I would have written, 'I'll let Nemesis speak for him- or herself', but then again, after five years as the assistant executive editor of an academic journal, I'm a bit opinionated on such things ... Edited July 11, 2022 by Hamba Tuhan 1
Rain Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hamba Tuhan said: Personally, I would have written, 'I'll let Nemesis speak for him- or herself', but then again, after five years as the assistant executive editor of an academic journal, I'm a bit opinionated on such things ... I used to do it that way, but I think the way that Tacenda did it is here to stay. For years people discussed having a non gender singular form and no one ever came to an agreement on it or even an agreement on if it was needed at all. I think if we English speakers (as a whole) hadn't drug our feet on it for so long we would have had something in place and wouldn't have had the problem. Edited July 11, 2022 by Rain 2
Scott Lloyd Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hamba Tuhan said: Personally, I would have written, 'I'll let Nemesis speak for him- or herself', but then again, after five years as the assistant executive editor of an academic journal, I'm a bit opinionated on such things ... That’s the practice I’ve settled on. But I do look back wistfully on the days when, depending on context, he and him were understood to be either male pronouns or indeterminate, generic pronouns (as in “to each his own”), and no one got in a huff when the latter was intended. The hypersensitivity over this convention is one of the worst outcomes of the second-wave feminism of the 1970s — that and the execrably awkward -person construction (spokesperson, businessperson, chairperson, foreperson, councilperson, etc.). Edited July 11, 2022 by Scott Lloyd
Hamba Tuhan Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Rain said: Now I think "they" is here to stay. I think so too, but I personally won't be jumping on the bandwagon. I prefer accuracy. One of my coworkers insists on using 'singular they' in what he writes, and I've been completely perplexed by it on many occasions. 1
Emily Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Rain said: For years people discussed having a non gender singular form and no one ever came to an agreement on it or even an agreement on if it was needed at all. We've already got a perfectly good word for "gender unknown, not applicable or irrelevant" but it's not considered a polite way to refer to a human being, that is. "I'll let Nemesis speak for itself." Okay, maybe not. No one really wants to be an "it". 😄 2
Scott Lloyd Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: I think so too, but I personally won't be jumping on the bandwagon. I prefer accuracy. One of my coworkers insists on using 'singular they' in what he writes, and I've been completely perplexed by it on many occasions. I can give it a grudging tolerance except when there can be no reasonable question about the gender of the antecedent, as in “the bishop of the 23rd Ward conducts temple recommend interviews in their office between 7 and 8 on Tuesday nights.” 1
Scott Lloyd Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Emily said: We've already got a perfectly good word for "gender unknown, not applicable or irrelevant" but it's not considered a polite way to refer to a human being, that is. "I'll let Nemesis speak for itself." Okay, maybe not. No one really wants to be an "it". 😄 Heh. I would greatly prefer that to the singular they.
Hamba Tuhan Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 27 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: But I do look back wistfully on the days when, depending on context, he and him were understood to be either male pronouns or indeterminate, generic pronouns (as in “to each his own”), and no one got in a huff when the latter was intended. When I write speeches for my boss, I alternate between using she and he as generic pronouns. That works well in a piece of writing/speech that has multiple occurrences, in my opinion. In Indonesian, there is no grammatical gender of any kind, which solves this problem, there being only a single word for he/she/it. Unfortunately, the use of the first-person and second-person pronouns is reserved for intimate/familial relationships in Indonesian, and there are literally dozens of euphemisms for I and you that one has to pick from, informed by the relative social status of the speaker/hearer, the formality and nature of the occasion, and the ethnic group/local culture. Personally, I'd rather have to deal with gendered pronouns! 2
Peacefully Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 30 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: That’s the practice I’ve settled on. But I do look back wistfully on the days when, depending on context, he and him were understood to be either male pronouns or indeterminate, generic pronouns (as in “to each his own”), and no one got in a huff when the latter was intended. The hypersensitivity over this convention is one of the worst outcomes of the second-wave feminism of the 1970s — that and the execrably awkward -person construction (spokesperson, businessperson, chairperson, foreperson, councilperson, etc.). Both male and female enlisted members of the US Air Force are still called “Airmen.” The RAF is now using the term “Aviator.” Fwiw. 1
Emily Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 27 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: In Indonesian, there is no grammatical gender of any kind, which solves this problem, there being only a single word for he/she/it. Anyone know if this is also true in Mandarin Chinese (or I guess any form of Chinese since the same characters are probably used by all Chinese languages? I really know very little about the languages) I read machine translated articles/stories occasionally and I've found that Chinese ends up being very confusing using "he" or 'she" rather randomly in the translations and halfway into an article, you realize 'she' was actually a male or vice versa. I haven't seen that with the Latin languages, or Korean, but it's common with Chinese machine translations.
Hamba Tuhan Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Emily said: Anyone know if this is also true in Mandarin Chinese (or I guess any form of Chinese since the same characters are probably used by all Chinese languages? If no one responds before then, I can ask my Chinese-speaking colleague when she's here in the office tomorrow. By the way, I should probably add that many of the replacements for the 2nd-person pronoun in Indonesian are gendered -- for example, bapak/'father' and ibu/'mother' -- so really the problem is just shifted from third-person to second. ETA: Just spoke to her online. She said the pronouns are marked for gender and number in writing but are all pronounced the same in speech. The information on this page exactly matches what she told me. Edited July 11, 2022 by Hamba Tuhan 1
T-Shirt Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 On 7/10/2022 at 9:48 AM, rongo said: I would be happy and would shut up if he simply contacted me and told me what his thought process is (because this situation is so out there. When things are heated and people are being jerks, that's understandable. But I can't make heads or tails of this. So what assurances do I have that he won't have an episode and ban me again for no reason?) It would not be a conversation. I wouldn't reply to his response, if you're serving as re go between here. I got banned in the Roe v Wade thread. I still don't know why.
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