Calm Posted February 27, 2022 Posted February 27, 2022 22 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: In the back of my mind, I’ve been wondering for years what became of this project, ever since it was announced that Ron Howard would be ramrodding it. Maybe I’m missing something, but hasn’t it been considerably scaled back from what was initially contemplated? Wasn’t it supposed to be a major theatrical release on the order of “The DaVinci Code”? It was meant to be a film originally according to wiki.
Scott Lloyd Posted February 27, 2022 Posted February 27, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 3:07 PM, LoudmouthMormon said: Turning Under the Banner of Heaven into a show? Well, surely they'll give the same historically accurate treatment of things that we got in September Dawn. Such a fun movie, where the saints were always shown in black with camera angles from the waist up to properly portray our nefarious nature. And that fun montage with the Fancher party, looking straight out of Little House on the Prarie, praying joyously for their Mormon neighbors, while evil Brigham on the dinner throne surrounded by his somber wives, were offering their prayer demanding God's curses fall upon their enemies. You get 'em, Brigham! I can hardly wait. Heh: According to IMDB, September Dawn had an estimated $11,000,000 budget, and made all of $1,000,000 worldwide. I can hardly wait! I really like Jon Voight as an actor and a person. To me, his association with this sorry project is a blemish on his record. 1
Scott Lloyd Posted February 27, 2022 Posted February 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Calm said: It was meant to be a film originally according to wiki. I was fairly certain it was. I’m wondering now how that compares in stature with a mini-series on a streaming service.
JLHPROF Posted February 27, 2022 Posted February 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: I was fairly certain it was. I’m wondering now how that compares in stature with a mini-series on a streaming service. Nowadays it compares just fine. 2 of this year's Best Picture nominees are from streaming services. And almost all the Emmy awards go to streaming services these days. As a theatrical release movie it would likely have languished in obscurity next to the lastest blockbusters. As a streaming service mini series if it's any good it has far more chance of being noticed or winning awards. 2
Scott Lloyd Posted February 27, 2022 Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, JLHPROF said: Nowadays it compares just fine. 2 of this year's Best Picture nominees are from streaming services. And almost all the Emmy awards go to streaming services these days. As a theatrical release movie it would likely have languished in obscurity next to the lastest blockbusters. As a streaming service mini series if it's any good it has far more chance of being noticed or winning awards. So if it would have “languished in obscurity” as a theatrical release, that’s as much as to say it doesn’t have the stature of a theatrical release, right? Yet it “compares just fine.” You seem to be contradicting yourself. Edited February 27, 2022 by Scott Lloyd
LoudmouthMormon Posted February 27, 2022 Posted February 27, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 3:29 PM, LoudmouthMormon said: They had gathered and watched Napoleon Dynamite. I was mostly successful at restraining my laughter, mentioning that about the only thing I recognized from that show as associated with my faith, was the shelving at the goodwill where Napoleon found his how-to-dance vhs tape. My apologies - it was a Deseret Industries, not a Goodwill. I talked to my co-worker about the difference between the two.
Calm Posted February 27, 2022 Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: So if it would have “languished in obscurity” as a theatrical release, that’s as much as to say it doesn’t have the stature of a theatrical release, right? Yet it “compares just fine.” You seem to be contradicting yourself. Not really. If only the blockbusters have a chance to be major movies these days in theatrical release because people tend watch most movies once they hit the small screens, while small screens can have a much larger time commitment from their range of viewers as well as availability plus the use of social media over an extended period of time so that even if a movie begins a bit slow, it can recover as well as being big right out of the gate which is pretty much the only way it can happen in theatrical release right now…in other words, there are two different sets of standards at work for how visible a movie/miniseries is. One only has to look at what can happen in the Foreign Language category…a theatrical release would produce a handful of viewers while going online creates a global opportunity over time and massive viewership. Edited February 27, 2022 by Calm
bluebell Posted February 27, 2022 Posted February 27, 2022 5 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: So if it would have “languished in obscurity” as a theatrical release, that’s as much as to say it doesn’t have the stature of a theatrical release, right? Yet it “compares just fine.” You seem to be contradicting yourself. I think what JLH is saying is that series that release to streaming services are seen as just as legitimate as movies that go right to the theater. Limited series (which is what these types of shows are), are big deals right now, and have been for the last couple of years. They win oscars, they win emmys. For topics such as this one--a topic that is likely not going to garner a lot of interest overseas--limited series is a comparable option. https://observer.com/2020/11/future-of-movies-tv-hbo-netflix-disney-plus-star-wars-marvel-miniseries/ 3
Calm Posted March 31, 2022 Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) This may have already been posted here, came across it on FB: https://therevealer.org/abusing-religion-polygyny-mormonisms-and-under-the-banner-of-heaven/ Edited March 31, 2022 by Calm
Calm Posted March 31, 2022 Posted March 31, 2022 Hanna has a convenient list of 4 or so reviews of the book at the beginning of comments after her post: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=5277554118989313&id=100002043304008&m_entstream_source=permalink
Calm Posted March 31, 2022 Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) Hansen Park was involved in the series (historical and cultural consultant), writing about it here: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10223629058905915&id=1574530763&m_entstream_source=timeline Quote On the accuracy and portrayal, I will say a few things: My job involved making constant choices between showing Mormonism as it is understood now versus how it was understood in the 1980s. Characters in that story don’t have the luxury and access to the decades of research available to us now and so their positions were limited in time. When making choices on portraying important historical scenes, a lot of thought was put into accuracy that weighed harm reduction, considered impact, and made sure the narrative still remained true. I know that some decisions will likely fall short, and we’ve certainly given historians plenty to debate about. Possibly something someone might be interested in: Quote 5. I am still actively engaged at Sunstone and we are planning an online watch party where we will get exclusive interviews to some of the people involved in the show, including DLB. That is where I will devote the majority of my involvement and discourse. I invite you to join our watch party group! (We will post the link and invite soon!) Edited March 31, 2022 by Calm 2
Scott Lloyd Posted March 31, 2022 Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Calm said: Hansen Park was involved in the series (historical and cultural consultant), writing about it here: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10223629058905915&id=1574530763&m_entstream_source=timeline Possibly something someone might be interested in: Other than leading Sunstone, who is Lindsay Hansen Park, and why should I care that he/she is involved with this series? Edited March 31, 2022 by Scott Lloyd
cinepro Posted March 31, 2022 Posted March 31, 2022 9 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: Other than leading Sunstone, who is Lindsay Hansen Park, and why should I care that he/she is involved with this series? Did you read her post? She seems to answer both answers quite eloquently. Quote I was hired as the official historical and cultural consultant, (alongside Troy Williams) because of my knowledge and experience with Mormon fundamentalist history as well as Mormon and Utah history and culture. My connections to various Mormon communities also was an asset. I worked hundreds of hours on set with the most incredible people. I got to recreate parts of my own history. (Brenda Lafferty even wears my Young Women’s medallion that I earned after many hours of devotion to the Young Women’s program!) I always tried to help connect the cast to present and future and I feel really proud of my participation. It was a sacred experience for me and I am forever changed. I prayed with cast and crew and prayed in my trailer, I've never worked so hard. I am well aware of the portrayal of Mormons throughout the centuries and the impact it has had on our community for better or worse. I feel really lucky to be part of storytelling with Lance, who grew up devout in the religion. Lance’s experience, along with his extensive research, his conversations with the LDS church leadership, his brilliant writing, his friendships with the Wright family and more, add a dimension to this story that I don’t think has been told before. It’s an honor to be included in this. It is an experience of a lifetime. I’m incredibly lucky. 4
The Nehor Posted March 31, 2022 Posted March 31, 2022 I think you will find that most films based on history are very accurate. They just dropped a teaser about a film about the invasion of Ukraine and it seems accurate so far. https://i.imgur.com/RMGavcl.mp4 2
Avatar4321 Posted April 2, 2022 Posted April 2, 2022 I say we take Elder Bednars advice and just heed them not
Navidad Posted April 2, 2022 Posted April 2, 2022 On 2/23/2022 at 4:14 PM, jkwilliams said: Basically, any retelling of an event is fiction because it involves interpretation. I suppose the made-up part is a function of who is interpreting and why. Just yesterday I watched a rather long lecture by esteemed professor of public history James Brooks at the Redd Center at BYU. He made a point that I wrote down. He said that he can only provide "a history" or any event, not "the history" of any event. I thought that was a great distinction that applies in many aspects of life that involve interpretation and objectivity. This includes religious history. 2
Navidad Posted April 2, 2022 Posted April 2, 2022 (edited) On 2/27/2022 at 2:53 AM, Scott Lloyd said: I really like Jon Voight as an actor and a person. To me, his association with this sorry project is a blemish on his record. What you are saying reminds me of how Mennonites and Amish are often portrayed in a caricaturized (is that a word?) or cartoonish fashion. Edited April 2, 2022 by Navidad
Scott Lloyd Posted April 2, 2022 Posted April 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Navidad said: What you are saying reminds me of how Mennonites and Amish are often portrayed in a caricaturist fashion. ???
Navidad Posted April 2, 2022 Posted April 2, 2022 26 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: ??? I think I fixed it. I changed it to "caricaturized." I guess I made that up, so it probably isn't even a word! Ha! 🙃
Scott Lloyd Posted April 2, 2022 Posted April 2, 2022 28 minutes ago, Navidad said: I think I fixed it. I changed it to "caricaturized." I guess I made that up, so it probably isn't even a word! Ha! 🙃 I understood the word well enough. I just don’t grasp what you’re getting at. Are you saying Jon Voight’s portrayal of Brigham Young is caricature?
Navidad Posted April 2, 2022 Posted April 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said: I understood the word well enough. I just don’t grasp what you’re getting at. Are you saying Jon Voight’s portrayal of Brigham Young is caricature? Yes, I think the entire portrayal of the Saints in that movie was cartoonish, caricaturish, and stereotypical, especially when compared to the Fancher party. But I do like the music! I am not using caricature and cartoon is a humorous or comical way.
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