NOSTRADAMUS ON 2022

[Robert F. Smith]

In 1555, the magus Michel de Nostradame, "Les Prophéties," made these predictions for 2022:

"The sudden death of the first character,/ he will be changed and they will put another in his kingdom."
"Like the sun, the head will seal the shining sea./ The live fish of the Black Sea will almost boil./ When Rhodes and Genoa Half-starved shall be/ The local folk to cut them up shall toil."
“No abbots, monks, no novices to learn;/ Honey shall cost far more than candle-wax”
"So high the price of wheat/That man is stirred/His fellow man to eat in his despair."
"The Moon in the full of night over the high mountain /The new sage with a lone brain sees it /By his disciples invited to be immortal/Eyes to the south./ Hands in bosoms, bodies in the fire."
“Blue-head shall white-head/  harm in such degree/ As France’s good to both shall e’er amount.”
"Sacred temples of the Roman time, will reject the foundations of their foundation."
“Fire do I see that from the sky shall fall”

Edited December 28, 2021 by Robert F. Smith

[The Nehor]

36 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

In 1555, the magus Michel de Nostradame, "Les Prophéties," made these predictions for 2022:

"The sudden death of the first character,/ he will be changed and they will put another in his kingdom."
"Like the sun, the head will seal the shining sea./ The live fish of the Black Sea will almost boil./ When Rhodes and Genoa Half-starved shall be/ The local folk to cut them up shall toil."
“No abbots, monks, no novices to learn;/ Honey shall cost far more than candle-wax”
"So high the price of wheat/That man is stirred/His fellow man to eat in his despair."
"The Moon in the full of night over the high mountain /The new sage with a lone brain sees it /By his disciples invited to be immortal/Eyes to the south./ Hands in bosoms, bodies in the fire."
“Blue-head shall white-head/  harm in such degree/ As France’s good to both shall e’er amount.”
"Sacred temples of the Roman time, will reject the foundations of their foundation."
“Fire do I see that from the sky shall fall”

Unless they come from an expert in archaic French with references I assume every Nostradamus translation to bear little to no resemblance to anything he actually wrote.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/extrasensory-perceptions/nostradamus.htm

Edited December 28, 2021 by The Nehor

[Scott Lloyd]

Why are you shouting?

[Robert F. Smith]

Just now, The Nehor said:

Unless they come from an expert in archaic French with references I assume every Nostradamus translation to bear little to no resemblance to anything he actually wrote.

We shall see.  I'm simply laying it out there for perspective once 2022 is at an end.  These statements are being widely published just now, and the clock is running.  Some of Michel's predictions actually came true while he was still alive.  He was the personal physician to the queen of France, Catherine de’ Medici (who had a Jupiter talisman just like Joseph Smith's).  Michel predicted the untimely death of her husband.

[JustAnAustralian]

1 hour ago, Robert F. Smith said:

"The sudden death of the first character,/ he will be changed and they will put another in his kingdom."

2020 has a French election. I suppose Macron could be unexpectedly voted out and someone new put in.

 

[The Nehor]

Just now, Robert F. Smith said:

We shall see.  I'm simply laying it out there for perspective once 2022 is at an end.  These statements are being widely published just now, and the clock is running.  Some of Michel's predictions actually came true while he was still alive.  He was the personal physician to the queen of France, Catherine de’ Medici (who had a Jupiter talisman just like Joseph Smith's).  Michel predicted the untimely death of her husband.

Unlikely any of that ever happened. No contemporary evidence exists for this supposed meeting and most of the stories told about Nostradamus seem to have sprung up decades later from rumors.

Nostradamus was an astrologer. Astrology is rubbish. Nostradamus was also a terrible astrologer. He didn’t calculate things correctly or make the correct adjustments when casting horoscopes. Many of his ‘prophecies’ were copied from older prophetic books. His prophecies are also so vague that if you strain at them you can find something in the supposed time that fits.

Add in that virtually everything on the internet and in the books about him are written by devoted nutters who live on bad translations and wholesale fabrications. This isn’t new. Nostradamus has been weaponized like this for centuries. Goebbels recorded that he used Nostradamus as propaganda and amongst the propaganda leaflets dropped in Europe were Nostradamus verses that supposedly predicted the fall of the Reich.

Nostradamus was a fraud. He wasn’t even good at the kind of fraud he was doing. He stole a lot of what he wrote. His one major skill is that he was excellent at marketing himself since he survived as the only one of these crazies that people still know about.

Fun Fact: Christopher Columbus wrote a book of prophecies. Wouldn’t the Book of Mormon hint of Columbus suggest his prophecies would be more accurate? Columbus didn’t have Nostradamus’s cunning though and wrote pretty plainly. Hard to argue now that King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella led the last empire into a crusade to liberate the Holy Land and ushered in the Second Coming. Also hard to argue that the Garden of Eden was found in that time period.

And no, Columbus never went to Missouri!

[JustAnAustralian]

As some rival predictions from Baba Vanga hhttps://www.news.com.au/world/baba-vangas-disturbing-predictions-for-2022/news-story/1c340ed432aed9247fd7c8b26fbee4ce

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1. An increase in catastrophes

2. A lethal virus in Siberia

3. Shortage of drinking water

4. Alien encounter on Earth

5. Locusts in India

6. Loss of sense of reality

 

 

Edited December 28, 2021 by JustAnAustralian

[Robert F. Smith]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

Unlikely any of that ever happened. No contemporary evidence exists for this supposed meeting and most of the stories told about Nostradamus seem to have sprung up decades later from rumors.

Nostradamus was an astrologer. Astrology is rubbish. Nostradamus was also a terrible astrologer. He didn’t calculate things correctly or make the correct adjustments when casting horoscopes. Many of his ‘prophecies’ were copied from older prophetic books. His prophecies are also so vague that if you strain at them you can find something in the supposed time that fits.

Add in that virtually everything on the internet and in the books about him are written by devoted nutters who live on bad translations and wholesale fabrications. This isn’t new. Nostradamus has been weaponized like this for centuries. Goebbels recorded that he used Nostradamus as propaganda and amongst the propaganda leaflets dropped in Europe were Nostradamus verses that supposedly predicted the fall of the Reich.

Nostradamus was a fraud. He wasn’t even good at the kind of fraud he was doing. He stole a lot of what he wrote. His one major skill is that he was excellent at marketing himself since he survived as the only one of these crazies that people still know about.........................

The Medicis were the founders of the Renaissance, and there was a host of magi like Michel -- the intellectual elite of their time, who left us voluminous records and translations of hermetic materials from earlier times.  The Medicis funded many of them.  Other magi were burned at the stake by both the Catholics and Protestants.  Popes and royalty protected some of them.  Dr John Dee, in England, was advisor to Queen Elizabeth I.  The magi were far from "crazy."

[Robert F. Smith]

2 hours ago, JustAnAustralian said:

2020 has a French election. I suppose Macron could be unexpectedly voted out and someone new put in.

A sudden death of a first among equals, I'd say, but we will have to wait and see.

[mfbukowski]

37 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

A sudden death of a first among equals, I'd say, but we will have to wait and see.

I have had a perhaps similar scary hunch, I think, for the last two years or so, following recent events, but will it be "natural causes"?

I suppose every death is "natural" in one sense or another...

We will never know.

[The Nehor]

52 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

The Medicis were the founders of the Renaissance, and there was a host of magi like Michel -- the intellectual elite of their time, who left us voluminous records and translations of hermetic materials from earlier times.  The Medicis funded many of them.  Other magi were burned at the stake by both the Catholics and Protestants.  Popes and royalty protected some of them.  Dr John Dee, in England, was advisor to Queen Elizabeth I.  The magi were far from "crazy."

As I said even the other ‘magi’ thought Nostradamus was a sloppy and careless fraud.

At the time of Nostradamus the Catholics and Protestants were not burning these guys unless they claimed to be working magic. Claiming to see the future via astrology or trances was okay. Nostradamus was reportedly only arrested once and that was only because he didn’t get a publishing license from the bishop for one of his almanacs. Please don’t try to make him out to be some kind of brave countercultural renegade. He was depressingly normal except that he was also a shyster and made his predictions much vaguer and mixed languages to make them harder to falsify. Oh, and mixed languages because he was copying the work of others too.

[The Nehor]

The Enlightenment was nice. I’m kind of sad it is leaving.

[mfbukowski]

39 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

As I said even the other ‘magi’ thought Nostradamus was a sloppy and careless fraud.

At the time of Nostradamus the Catholics and Protestants were not burning these guys unless they claimed to be working magic. Claiming to see the future via astrology or trances was okay. Nostradamus was reportedly only arrested once and that was only because he didn’t get a publishing license from the bishop for one of his almanacs. Please don’t try to make him out to be some kind of brave countercultural renegade. He was depressingly normal except that he was also a shyster and made his predictions much vaguer and mixed languages to make them harder to falsify. Oh, and mixed languages because he was copying the work of others too.

We all start with our own prejudices and project them on our own "realities" - that's how we all create our own worlds, cobbled together out of the paradigms of others.

What we see are our own reflections, but it doesn't matter.  Out of this primordial "soup" of paradigms, some work and many more don't.

All it takes is one insight that works and suddenly the "fool" becomes a "genius" or "prophet" in the eyes of others.

This is the same.

It's not about Nostradamus, but what our own powers to create paradigms out of the soup of his words allows us to do with the ideas we develop out of those words.

In many ways, it's like scriptural interpretation 

Reminds me of Bob Dylan, of course.

LYRICS, "GATES OF EDEN" BOB DYLAN 

"With a time-rusted compass blade, Aladdin and his lamp
Sits with Utopian hermit monks, sidesaddle on the Golden Calf
And on their promises of paradise you will not hear a laugh
All except inside the Gates of Eden"

 

Edited December 28, 2021 by mfbukowski

[Calm]

57 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

many ways, it's like scriptural interpretation 

I think the sources we interpret, the reason they were written make a difference in the level of inspiration they may provide. After all, God had Nephi and his brothers plus all the scribes who worked in metal go to an awful lot of trouble to preserve a record. I just don’t see that as really comparable to something Nostradamus and others like him provide save in the one that we see all our world through the lens of our own prejudices and paradigms. His work, outside the profit making and imo fraudulent aspect, is more like ink blots. 

Edited December 28, 2021 by Calm

[Calm]

I am seeing claims he predicted for 2022 something to do with cryptocurrency, covid 19, cannibals, robots or artificial intelligence, a massive asteroid strike, global warming, the death of Kim Jong-Un, war in Europe and the failure of the EU, an earthquake in Japan…massive of course, and massive immigration crisis, but that is only the headlines of about five ‘news’ sources. No doubt there is tons more to be anticipated. 
 

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Reminds me of Bob Dylan, of course.

Was he claiming to be able to see the future?

Edited December 28, 2021 by Calm

[JLHPROF]

7 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

"The sudden death of the first character,/ he will be changed and they will put another in his kingdom."

 

Bye bye Biden.  Hello President Harris.

You know, since these things are ALWAYS Americentric.

[Fether]

My predictions for year 2211

The swan shall fly with the horse into war and the refrigerator shall fall corrupt upon the blue soaked shoe. And once the shoes arises, it shall smite the leper with a metallic baseball bat and be microwaved into the sea.

No idea what any of that means, but I imagine someone will find meaning in it once 2211 rolls around

[Robert F. Smith]

37 minutes ago, Fether said:

My predictions for year 2211

The swan shall fly with the horse into war and the refrigerator shall fall corrupt upon the blue soaked shoe. And once the shoes arises, it shall smite the leper with a metallic baseball bat and be microwaved into the sea.

No idea what any of that means, but I imagine someone will find meaning in it once 2211 rolls around

The truly serious question is whether Sponge Bob Square Pants will still be around in 2211?

[Fether]

2 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

The truly serious question is whether Sponge Bob Square Pants will still be around in 2211?

My prophecy answers that quite clearly… don’t you think?

Edited December 28, 2021 by Fether

[Robert F. Smith]

5 hours ago, The Nehor said:

As I said even the other ‘magi’ thought Nostradamus was a sloppy and careless fraud.

At the time of Nostradamus the Catholics and Protestants were not burning these guys unless they claimed to be working magic. Claiming to see the future via astrology or trances was okay. Nostradamus was reportedly only arrested once and that was only because he didn’t get a publishing license from the bishop for one of his almanacs. Please don’t try to make him out to be some kind of brave countercultural renegade. He was depressingly normal except that he was also a shyster and made his predictions much vaguer and mixed languages to make them harder to falsify. Oh, and mixed languages because he was copying the work of others too.

You really have it in for the guy, Nehor.  You have missed the point that the scholastic tradition usually includes everyone copying one another.  In fact, you can't get a doctorate without doing exactly that today at any university.  That's what Michel did then.

Francis Bacon’s New Atlantis comes from the Hermetic tradition, as does Tommaso Campanella’s Civitas Solis/Città del Sole, as does Thomas More’s Utopia.  There was nothing at all new under the sun, Nehor.

As to being burnt at the stake:  Magus Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake by the Inquisition in 1600 simply because he taught things like the plurality of inhabited worlds, the infinity of the universe, and heliocentrism (Copernican astronomy).  Galileo wisely recanted.  Magus Michael Servetus was burned at the stake by John Calvin simply because he also had wrong ideas.  Of course, in England, the last great sorcerer, Sir Isaac Newton, was honored rather than being vilified.

[Robert F. Smith]

6 hours ago, The Nehor said:

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The Enlightenment was nice. I’m kind of sad it is leaving.

The Enlightenment was over quite some time ago.  It was replaced by irrational Romanticism.

[MiserereNobis]

3 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

The Enlightenment was over quite some time ago.  It was replaced by irrational Romanticism.

But irrational Romanticism gave us some fantastic poetry 😉

[mfbukowski]

5 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

The Enlightenment was over quite some time ago.  It was replaced by irrational Romanticism.

And thank God for that.

It did away with the irrationality of the metaphysics of only counting sense perception as "real", and cracked the foundation of the fallacy of Positivism, while Romanticism laid the seeds for including the justifiability of spiritual experience as part of rational human experience, and set the stage for William James' "Varieties of Religious Experience".

 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2021 by mfbukowski

[mfbukowski]

1 hour ago, MiserereNobis said:

But irrational Romanticism gave us some fantastic poetry 😉

Indeed, it showed that ALL language, as symbol, was poetry anyway

 

[rodheadlee]

11 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

Bye bye Biden.  Hello President Harris.

You know, since these things are ALWAYS Americentric.

That's because America really is Israel.