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[The Nehor]

10 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

You really have it in for the guy, Nehor.  You have missed the point that the scholastic tradition usually includes everyone copying one another.  In fact, you can't get a doctorate without doing exactly that today at any university.  That's what Michel did then.

Francis Bacon’s New Atlantis comes from the Hermetic tradition, as does Tommaso Campanella’s Civitas Solis/Città del Sole, as does Thomas More’s Utopia.  There was nothing at all new under the sun, Nehor.

As to being burnt at the stake:  Magus Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake by the Inquisition in 1600 simply because he taught things like the plurality of inhabited worlds, the infinity of the universe, and heliocentrism (Copernican astronomy).  Galileo wisely recanted.  Magus Michael Servetus was burned at the stake by John Calvin simply because he also had wrong ideas.  Of course, in England, the last great sorcerer, Sir Isaac Newton, was honored rather than being vilified.

The scholastic tradition wasn’t big on quoting everything and using references but the wholesale copying utterances from the oracle at Delphi and claiming they came from you casting a horoscope (badly) is just laziness. He was bad at horoscopes. He didn’t factor in birth location or date correctly. He estimated and did it wrong. I am not suggesting that if he was conscientious about it that his predictions would be more accurate but if you can’t even put it in the work to try to use the system you aren’t a scientist or a sorcerer. You’re a quack.

Bruno was tried for the same reasons Galileo was. He was a pompous jackass who ticked off everyone he met. I am not saying that it is justification for killing the guy but that is why he died. He didn’t die for practicing mysticism.

Newton was sincere in both science and his metaphysical obsessions with Daniel and Revelation and all the rest. He was trying to find truth. Nostradamus was peddling subpar astrology work for cash. To put it in Book of Mormon terms Newton wanted the wisdom and revelation of the prophets while Nostradamus was in it for the priestcraft.

Edited December 29, 2021 by The Nehor

[The Nehor]

12 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

Bye bye Biden.  Hello President Harris.

You know, since these things are ALWAYS Americentric.

One of the great laughs at online End-Times forums is people asking the “experts” about what the Bible says about America in the Last Days. When told nothing they get almost apoplectic over how God would leave out the most important nation on Earth. How could God say nothing?

Makes me smile when I read Nephi’s apocalyptic vision.

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, rodheadlee said:

That's because America really is Israel.

We’re not that bad.

5 hours ago, MiserereNobis said:

But irrational Romanticism gave us some fantastic poetry 😉

And a lot of garbage poetry.

10 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

The truly serious question is whether Sponge Bob Square Pants will still be around in 2211?

[JLHPROF]

11 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

 

I've wondered about all the trivial quotes firmly embedded in my memory.  An eternity from now imagine randomly quoting a movie from this existence...

[Calm]

1 minute ago, JLHPROF said:

I've wondered about all the trivial quotes firmly embedded in my memory.  An eternity from now imagine randomly quoting a movie from this existence...

Will someone be using the ‘accent’ from Princess Bride every time a lecture about marriage gets given in Spirit Prison?

[The Nehor]

3 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

I've wondered about all the trivial quotes firmly embedded in my memory.  An eternity from now imagine randomly quoting a movie from this existence...

So I am going to be even more obnoxious than I am now……scary thought.

By the way if I ever become a god than in my apocalyptic visions there will be angels playing John Williams “Imperial March” in the background as an inside joke to myself.

[LoudmouthMormon]

Flat earth, hollow earth, we never went to the moon, reptilian shapeshifters.

There.  Now the thread is complete.

[Robert F. Smith]

45 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

The scholastic tradition wasn’t big on quoting everything and using references but the wholesale copying utterances from the oracle at Delphi and claiming they came from you casting a horoscope (badly) is just laziness. He was bad at horoscopes. He didn’t factor in birth location or date correctly. He estimated and did it wrong. I am not suggesting that if he was conscientious about it that his predictions would be more accurate but if you can’t even put it in the work to try to use the system you aren’t a scientist or a sorcerer. You’re a quack.

Bruno was tried for the same reasons Galileo was. He was a pompous jackass who ticked off everyone he met. I am not saying that it is justification for killing the guy but that is why he died. He didn’t die for practicing mysticism.

Newton was sincere in both science and his metaphysical obsessions with Daniel and Revelation and all the rest. He was trying to find truth. Nostradamus was peddling subpar astrology work for cash. To put it in Book of Mormon terms Newton wanted the wisdom and revelation of the prophets while Nostradamus was in it for the priestcraft.

Sounds very much like a typical anti-Joseph Smith rant.

[Robert F. Smith]

5 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

And thank God for that.

It did away with the irrationality of the metaphysics of only counting sense perception as "real", and cracked the foundation of the fallacy of Positivism, while Romanticism laid the seeds for including the justifiability of spiritual experience as part of rational human experience, and set the stage for William James' "Varieties of Religious Experience".

Yes, and Joseph Smith was the Romantic par excellence.

[JLHPROF]

11 minutes ago, LoudmouthMormon said:

Flat earth, hollow earth, we never went to the moon, reptilian shapeshifters.

There.  Now the thread is complete.

You're barely scratching the surface...

[Calm]

10 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Sounds very much like a typical anti-Joseph Smith rant.

You are really comparing Nostradamus to Joseph Smith?

Why?

[The Nehor]

33 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Sounds very much like a typical anti-Joseph Smith rant.

The fact that your mind went to that as an analogous situation should scare you a little.

[rodheadlee]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

We’re not that bad.

 

 

Perhaps you're confusing us with Judah?

[MiserereNobis]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

7 hours ago, MiserereNobis said:

But irrational Romanticism gave us some fantastic poetry 😉

And a lot of garbage poetry

The highs of Romantic poetry far outweigh the highs of Enlightenment poetry. 

[mfbukowski]

15 hours ago, Calm said:

Was he claiming to be able to see the future

No, strictly psychedelic poetry panning organized religion; but he was a "born again" Christian for a while after this period.

[The Nehor]

12 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

The highs of Romantic poetry far outweigh the highs of Enlightenment poetry. 

As a fan of Johnathan Swift’s poetry I must disagree.

[mfbukowski]

1 hour ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Yes, and Joseph Smith was the Romantic par excellence.

Yes he was! And Parley P. Pratt foreshadowed William James. I'm working on a piece about that.

Pragmatism is just part of the whole American ethos, getting the work done.

Gotta build a house, a nation, a world. What's the difference? 

 

 

 

[The Nehor]

7 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

Yes he was! And Parley P. Pratt foreshadowed William James. I'm working on a piece about that.

Pragmatism is just part of the whole American ethos, getting the work done.

Gotta build a house, a nation, a world. What's the difference? 

 

 

 

A substantial increase in the amount of magma and number of planetary collisions involved.

[mfbukowski]

1 minute ago, The Nehor said:

A substantial increase in the amount of magma and number of planetary collisions involved.

No biggie.

Just push around some asteroids til you get enough gravity going...

Just like building a good fire on the trail!

 

[MiserereNobis]

14 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

As a fan of Johnathan Swift’s poetry I must disagree.

I’ve always suspected you’re a degenerate. 

[sunstoned]

2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

One of the great laughs at online End-Times forums is people asking the “experts” about what the Bible says about America in the Last Days. When told nothing they get almost apoplectic over how God would leave out the most important nation on Earth. How could God say nothing?

Makes me smile when I read Nephi’s apocalyptic vision.

We Americans are legends in our own minds.  It didn't take too many trips abroad for me to figure this out.

[The Nehor]

58 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

I’ve always suspected you’re a degenerate. 

What gave it away?

 

Oh yeah……that.

 

[Robert F. Smith]

2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

The fact that your mind went to that as an analogous situation should scare you a little.

Well, you have to understand that Joseph Smith was the Magus of the American Renaissance.

[Robert F. Smith]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

You are really comparing Nostradamus to Joseph Smith?

Why?

No.  I am comparing the typical anti-Joseph Smith rant to the rant the Nehor brought against the Renaissance magi.  The content of the diatribes is false, but all too typical in each case.

[The Nehor]

13 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

No.  I am comparing the typical anti-Joseph Smith rant to the rant the Nehor brought against the Renaissance magi.  The content of the diatribes is false, but all too typical in each case.

My assessment of Nostradamus is accurate.

The weirdness of the comparison is a separate issue. Nostradamus didn’t bring any great truths to mankind, wasn’t created to inspire or improve humanity, and didn’t have any real moral or spiritual component. Just weird to try to compare them.