bsjkki Posted July 17, 2021 Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article252816303.html Edited July 17, 2021 by bsjkki 1
Popular Post The Nehor Posted July 18, 2021 Popular Post Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/14/2021 at 5:21 AM, Hamba Tuhan said: You're once again far more magnanimous than I. I'm part of a small minority here who has been blessed to receive the first jab. To me, what's happening in America just feels immoral. "And he did straiten them in the wilderness with his rod; for they hardened their hearts, even as ye have; and the Lord straitened them because of their iniquity. He sent fiery flying serpents among them; and after they were bitten he prepared a way that they might be healed; and the labor which they had to perform was to look; and because of the simpleness of the way, or the easiness of it, there were many who perished." I used to think they were just idiots and imagined that even if I was a skeptic I would look at the brazen serpent and then roll my eyes and walk away. I think I now have a better idea as to why many Israelites didn't look: "Looking at the serpent opens you to demonic possession!" "I heard that a guy over in the tribe of Issachar looked at the serpent and died the next day!" (He did die but it was of old age) "The Serpent lets Aaron track your location and control your mind!" "Commanding me to look at the serpent is a violation of MAH RIGHTZ as an Israelite. Only idiots who love Egyptian slavery look at the snake." "The serpent is made of extraterrestrial metal and it makes you infertile and sick. It is all a plot by Moses!" (Moses wants to kill his followers and keep the disobedient alive for some reason) "Without the natural immunity from snake venom from actually being bitten we are all weaker. The brazen serpent is a crutch for the weak." (Editor's note: This person is now dead) "Moses is not giving Korah enough credit for helping to make the brazen serpent. I also will not look at as the snake venom doesn't exist and is a deep elder plot run by pedophiles and Egyptians!" I used to laugh at the stories about the supposed antics of debased Roman emperors and the obviously excessive idiocy of people in the past. I took some solace in the historians telling me that they were likely overblown accounts from their enemies. Not anymore. After the last few years I believe it is all completely plausible. 8
The Nehor Posted July 20, 2021 Posted July 20, 2021 The data I last read said that the most dangerous side effect in children is that about 1 in 25 of those that are hospitalized have ongoing neurological problems. That is obviously a small number as a very small amount of children have Covid symptoms bad enough to be hospitalized. My gut feeling is that we will eventually give a green light generally on vaccinating children but it does make sense to vaccinate adults first.
bsjkki Posted July 20, 2021 Posted July 20, 2021 (edited) My daughter’s neighbor in California just died of covid in California. In his 40’s, lots of young kids. He was taken by ambulance last evening and is gone today. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9807911/One-shot-Johnson-Johnson-COVID-19-vaccine-ineffective-against-Delta-variant.html Edited July 20, 2021 by bsjkki
pogi Posted July 20, 2021 Posted July 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, bsjkki said: My daughter’s neighbor in California just died of covid in California. In his 40’s, lots of young kids. He was taken by ambulance last evening and is gone today. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9807911/One-shot-Johnson-Johnson-COVID-19-vaccine-ineffective-against-Delta-variant.html That is so terribly sad. Was he vaccinated with the Jansen vaccine then, or is that article unrelated? We know that the Jansen vaccine is less effective against Covid in general, so the article is not surprising at all that it is less effective against the Delta variant.
bsjkki Posted July 20, 2021 Posted July 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, pogi said: That is so terribly sad. Was he vaccinated with the Jansen vaccine then, or is that article unrelated? We know that the Jansen vaccine is less effective against Covid in general, so the article is not surprising at all that it is less effective against the Delta variant. Unrelated. They are in Sacramento so odds are it was the Delta variant.
pogi Posted July 20, 2021 Posted July 20, 2021 27 minutes ago, bsjkki said: Unrelated. They are in Sacramento so odds are it was the Delta variant. So, most likely he wasn't vaccinated. What a sad, sad and completely avoidable thing.
Teancum Posted July 20, 2021 Posted July 20, 2021 On 7/14/2021 at 6:21 AM, Hamba Tuhan said: You're once again far more magnanimous than I. I'm part of a small minority here who has been blessed to receive the first jab. To me, what's happening in America just feels immoral. And it the vaccine resistance is in part being fueled by conservative religious people including Latter-day Saint. That in spite of the encouragement from LDS leadership. 1
Hamba Tuhan Posted July 21, 2021 Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Teancum said: And it the vaccine resistance is in part being fueled by conservative religious people including Latter-day Saint. That in spite of the encouragement from LDS leadership. Yep. I spoke with an American friend from the Church yesterday and encouraged her to listen to the prophets. It's good advice. Here where I live, vaccine hesitancy seems to fall into four main camps. The largest of these includes those sincerely worried about medical harm. We have had a number of people die from the Astra Zeneca jab. I can't gauge the sizes of the other three groups, but one includes 'eco-progressives' who have been anti-vaccine for a long time because they're opposed to anything unnatural (unlike death, apparently). We have whole communities of them in some locations, where diseases like whooping cough and measles keep breaking out. Then we would have a small 'don't tread on me' movement that appears to be directly linked to some of the stuff happening in America. Last, we have devout Catholics and Evangelicals who refuse to receive a vaccine the development of which involved fetal cells in any way. Edited July 21, 2021 by Hamba Tuhan 2
The Nehor Posted July 21, 2021 Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) Friend’s dad is in the hospital. He was born in Germany and his dad still lives there. He got his vaccination shot on a Friday and on Saturday went to a big spectator event that he said ended up being a superspreader situation. He is not on a ventilator yet but he is not showing any signs of improvement either. My friend is annoyed as he knows his dad knew that it takes weeks to develop resistance and is stuck with the reality of justifiably being angry at the person who put his father’s life at risk out of carelessness while being worried about this dad and the fun of both those individuals being the same person. Edited July 21, 2021 by The Nehor 2
bsjkki Posted July 21, 2021 Posted July 21, 2021 4 hours ago, pogi said: So, most likely he wasn't vaccinated. What a sad, sad and completely avoidable thing. I absolutely agree! My daughter held a crying widow with 6 year old twins in her arms today. (I hope my daughters vaccine works!) The spouse said her husband refused to get vaccinated. He got sick and refused to go to the doctor. They were finally walking to the car when he collapsed. The wife gave CPR until the ambulance arrived. He was pronounced dead at the hospital. They were Hispanic first generation immigrants. 3
The Nehor Posted July 21, 2021 Posted July 21, 2021 Bit of a heartwrenching article from a doctor treating Covid patients: https://www.al.com/news/2021/07/im-sorry-but-its-too-late-alabama-doctor-on-treating-unvaccinated-dying-covid-patients.html 1
Tacenda Posted July 21, 2021 Posted July 21, 2021 It's probably in front of my nose on this thread but lazy me would love a quick answer. My son just visited my home and is against the vaccine thinking he needs evidence of it working against the Delta variant. Would love some help if you have the time. A link or something.
Calm Posted July 21, 2021 Author Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Tacenda said: It's probably in front of my nose on this thread but lazy me would love a quick answer. My son just visited my home and is against the vaccine thinking he needs evidence of it working against the Delta variant. Would love some help if you have the time. A link or something. Does he want technical studies or what? All he has to do is look at the percentage of the hospitalizations and deaths occurring now…the vast majority are unvaccinated, but also who is getting infected. https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/vaccines-are-effective-against-covids-delta-variant-so-why-do-we-need-to-wear-masks-indoors/ Quote Those safeguards are highlighted by the percentage of people who are now testing positive for the coronavirus in Los Angeles County, for example, where more than 10,000 new cases have been reported in the last week. In an alarming spike in cases, 99% of new infections involve people who have not been vaccinated. Edited July 21, 2021 by Calm
Tacenda Posted July 21, 2021 Posted July 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, Calm said: Does he want technical studies or what? All he has to do is look at the percentage of the hospitalizations and deaths occurring now…the vast majority are unvaccinated, but also who is getting infected. https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/vaccines-are-effective-against-covids-delta-variant-so-why-do-we-need-to-wear-masks-indoors/ Thanks Calm, my sister just posted on my nephew's FB about the vaccine, he's an anti-vaxxer Fauci hater and she is probably on the fence but lives in California so I'll not only give my son the link but post it on the FB thread my sister is on, whether or not she or my nephew will believe it, I will do it just for the sake of it maybe getting through some thick skulls!
bsjkki Posted July 21, 2021 Posted July 21, 2021 38 minutes ago, Tacenda said: It's probably in front of my nose on this thread but lazy me would love a quick answer. My son just visited my home and is against the vaccine thinking he needs evidence of it working against the Delta variant. Would love some help if you have the time. A link or something. This is a good article on this topic. https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/do-vaccines-protect-against-the-delta-variant-what-to-know-about-symptoms-testing-as-cases-rise/ar-AAMoTOj 1
Tacenda Posted July 21, 2021 Posted July 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, bsjkki said: This is a good article on this topic. https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/do-vaccines-protect-against-the-delta-variant-what-to-know-about-symptoms-testing-as-cases-rise/ar-AAMoTOj Added to my list! Thanks!
Calm Posted July 21, 2021 Author Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Added to my list! Thanks! The one I posted was just grabbed as an example and I didn’t read the whole thing. Think about their personalities and read any article to see if it has comments that they would dislike…like avoid anything with Fauci if they don’t like him. It may be the more casual stuff works better, may be more stats heavy does. Look at the kind of articles they post and try to find the same style, but from the viewpoint vaccines are good. If you need help, post some of the articles they are using here and I and maybe others can help you find something that might work for them. If they are really anti mask, it might be better to avoid articles that discuss that as well and instead choose ones that focus on vaccines. Since you are not trying to win an argument but rather persuade people you care about to do something that may save their lives or at least prevent them from suffering unnecessarily, you need to be much more careful in choosing your evidence. And remember they may feel the same way (if it is not so much a political issue for them). Edited July 21, 2021 by Calm 1
Warlock Posted July 21, 2021 Posted July 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Calm said: The one I posted was just grabbed as an example and I didn’t read the whole thing. Think about their personalities and read any article to see if it has comments that they would dislike…like avoid anything with Fauci if they don’t like him. It may be the more casual stuff works better, may be more stats heavy does. Look at the kind of articles they post and try to find the same style, but from the viewpoint vaccines are good. If you need help, posts some of the articles they are using here and I and maybe others can help you find something that might work for them. If they are really anti mask, it might be better to avoid articles that discuss that as well and instead choose ones that focus on vaccines. So much wisdom
Tacenda Posted July 21, 2021 Posted July 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Calm said: The one I posted was just grabbed as an example and I didn’t read the whole thing. Think about their personalities and read any article to see if it has comments that they would dislike…like avoid anything with Fauci if they don’t like him. It may be the more casual stuff works better, may be more stats heavy does. Look at the kind of articles they post and try to find the same style, but from the viewpoint vaccines are good. If you need help, posts some of the articles they are using here and I and maybe others can help you find something that might work for them. I did take that in to account. I read both articles by you and bsjkki and I like yours because it mentions LA California and not from MSN. But also liked bsjkki's because it shows it's not only in California. And hopefully the MSN article won't ruffles their feathers.
Tacenda Posted July 21, 2021 Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Calm said: The one I posted was just grabbed as an example and I didn’t read the whole thing. Think about their personalities and read any article to see if it has comments that they would dislike…like avoid anything with Fauci if they don’t like him. It may be the more casual stuff works better, may be more stats heavy does. Look at the kind of articles they post and try to find the same style, but from the viewpoint vaccines are good. If you need help, posts some of the articles they are using here and I and maybe others can help you find something that might work for them. If they are really anti mask, it might be better to avoid articles that discuss that as well and instead choose ones that focus on vaccines. Since you are not trying to win an argument but rather persuade people you are about to do something that may save their lives or at least prevent them from suffering unnecessarily, you need to be much more careful in choosing your evidence. Thanks, I read the rest of what you had to say here. My sister isn't anti mask that I know of but don't know about my nephew, guessing he's anti mask along with my son. But it's done now, I posted both articles on the FB thread and if they say anything I will take it like a woman! ETA: I also mentioned that I use to be anti flu shot until some friends that work in the medical field convinced me otherwise. Hopefully that will soften my message. Edited July 21, 2021 by Tacenda
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