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We had some training a few weeks ago and Elder Uchtdorf shared that he got a letter from a concerned couple in Georgia, USA that they didn't want their missionary daughter to get vaccinated because they were concerned that it would make her infertile......................So he said well, let's focus on her mission first and her fertility later and he explained the policy of the church about she decides and staying in country, among other. Can you imagine how embarassing it would be to find your folks wrote someone about your fertility?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 

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22 minutes ago, Duncan said:

We had some training a few weeks ago and Elder Uchtdorf shared that he got a letter from a concerned couple in Georgia, USA that they didn't want their missionary daughter to get vaccinated because they were concerned that it would make her infertile......................So he said well, let's focus on her mission first and her fertility later and he explained the policy of the church about she decides and staying in country, among other. Can you imagine how embarrassing it would be to find your folks wrote someone about your fertility?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 

It would be so embarassing.  

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My only side effect from Pfizer was a super sore arm for 3 days with the first shot and a mildly sore arm with the 2nd shot.  Hubby had Johnson and Johnson and was fine until about 18 hours after the shot and then he was super tired and felt kind of gross for 6 hours and then was perfectly fine again.

My 16 year old and 19 year old just got their first pfizer shots last week and they had no side effects at all.

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10 minutes ago, bluebell said:

My only side effect from Pfizer was a super sore arm for 3 days with the first shot and a mildly sore arm with the 2nd shot.  Hubby had Johnson and Johnson and was fine until about 18 hours after the shot and then he was super tired and felt kind of gross for 6 hours and then was perfectly fine again.

My 16 year old and 19 year old just got their first pfizer shots last week and they had no side effects at all.

I got ridiculously sick from astrazeneca for about a day and felt awful but better for the next two days, but no sore arm. I am having my second on wed. so I  may be dead on thursday, guess we'll see-I am glad though to get get it all over and done with though, at least my part

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1 hour ago, Duncan said:

I got ridiculously sick from astrazeneca for about a day and felt awful but better for the next two days, but no sore arm. I am having my second on wed. so I  may be dead on thursday, guess we'll see-I am glad though to get get it all over and done with though, at least my part

Well, when everyone who gets the vaccine drops dead in two years or whatever they are saying they will have the last laugh.

I also find it oddly endearing that they imagine that the government and a bunch of mega-billionaires are conspiring to kill off most of the world’s population which would destroy all their power and wealth because they are just jerks that way.

Same thing with infertility, just slower.

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New research suggests less vaccinated areas are at risk. Scientists at Helix analyzed nearly 20,000 Covid-19 tests collected since April and found the Delta variant is quickly rising in counties with fewer vaccinated residents.

Models for Delta's spread show the fall could see a peak of around 20% of the infections the US recorded in January, but the distribution of those predicted surges is not even across all areas, Gottlieb explained.

"Connecticut, for example where I am, shows no upsurge of infection, but Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Missouri, show very substantial upsurges of infection. That's based entirely on how much population wide immunity you have based on vaccination," he said.

 

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In Springfield, Missouri, the low rate of vaccinations combined with the Delta variant has led to a six-fold increase in hospitalizations at CoxHealth, a health care system there, according to its CEO, Steve Edwards.

Over the past four and a half weeks, the number of patients has risen from around 14 to 83, Edwards told CNN on Monday, adding that the patients are younger and have more severe disease than previously -- and almost all are unvaccinated.

The Delta variant made up about 10% of cases that were tested three or four weeks ago, he said. "As of last week, it appeared to be 90%."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/21/us/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html
 

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The problem, though, is that we should really be looking at the numbers for each community instead of looking at the US as a whole because while the US as a whole is doing so much better, and there are pockets of the country that have very high vaccination rates, we also have pockets of the country that are actually undergoing massive surges right now where their hospitals are getting full again," Wen said.

The US has been focused on getting vaccines out and into mass vaccination sites, but now it is the time to rethink the way doses are made accessible, Gottlieb told CBS.

"Now we need to think about trying to push out the vaccine into community sites where people could get it delivered to them through a trusted intermediary, that's going to mean doctors' offices, schools, places of employment," Gottlieb said. "We need to think about a different vaccine delivery strategy to get the people who are still reluctant or who still face challenges getting into those access sites."

 

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I had my second shot yestarday at 12:20 and so today, at 7:48am, so far I just have a sore arm, a little tired. I am waiting to see if there will be any boom lowered..........hopefully not😑

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57 minutes ago, Duncan said:

I had my second shot yestarday at 12:20 and so today, at 7:48am, so far I just have a sore arm, a little tired. I am waiting to see if there will be any boom lowered..........hopefully not😑

Hope it goes well, mine went too well, nothing but a sore arm. 

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On 6/21/2021 at 12:26 PM, Duncan said:

Can you imagine how embarassing it would be to find your folks wrote someone about your fertility?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

It's even more embarrassing that they believe the COVID vaccine can cause it.

 

Key Takeaways

  • Many women are delaying getting the COVID-19 vaccine due to concerns about fertility, despite the absence of evidence that the vaccine causes infertility.
  • The most common theory as to why COVID-19 vaccination would interfere with fertility is that antibodies to the virus will attack a protein in the placenta.
  • However, researchers from Yale School of Medicine found "zero evidence" to support this theory.

https://www.verywellfamily.com/does-the-covid-vaccine-affect-fertility-5101628

 

A False Claim

The COVID-19 vaccine infertility claim first appeared in a blog back in October 2020 by a man from England who worked for Pfizer about ten years ago. He made the false claim that there was some ingredient in the Pfizer vaccine that trained a woman’s body to attack a protein that’s important in the development of the placenta.

The man from England claims there is a protein that looks like those coronavirus spikes in the placenta. He argues that getting the COVID-19 vaccine would cause our body to attack the placenta just like it attacks the coronavirus spikes and then cause fertility issues. If you look at the coronavirus spike protein next to the placenta protein he’s talking about, they look nothing alike. It would be like confusing Daffy Duck for Mickey Mouse just because they’re both cartoons.

https://childrensmd.org/browse-by-topic/immunizations-vaccines/covid-19-vaccine-fertility/

 

Here’s Where That COVID-19 Vaccine Infertility Myth Came From—And Why It Is Not True

Last December, a German epidemiologist said the COVID-19 vaccines might make women’s bodies reject a protein that’s connected to placenta, therefore making women infertile. He thought this because the genetic code of the placenta protein, called syncytin-1, shares a hint of similarity with the genetic code of the spike protein in COVID-19. If the vaccines caused our bodies to make antibodies to protect us from COVID-19, he thought, they could also make antibodies to reject the placenta.

This, however, was a theoretical risk that was completely disproven in the clinical trials and continues to be disproven in real time as more women of child-bearing age become fully vaccinated.

“It’s inaccurate to say that COVID-19’s spike protein and this placenta protein share a similar genetic code,” says D’Angela Pitts, M.D., a maternal fetal medicine specialist with Henry Ford Health System. “The proteins are not similar enough to cause placenta to not attach to an embryo.” 

Evidence Firmly Shows The COVID-19 Vaccines Do Not Cause Infertility

“Women who participated in the COVID-19 clinical trials were able to conceive after vaccination," says Dr. Pitts. "We also have many patients here at Henry Ford who got vaccinated and then became pregnant afterwards. Some are in their first trimester, some are now in their second trimester. There’s no evidence to show that the COVID-19 vaccines lead to reduced fertility.”

https://www.henryford.com/blog/2021/04/fertility-rumor-covid-vaccine

 

MYTH: The COVID-19 vaccine can affect women’s fertility.

FACT: The COVID-19 vaccine will not affect fertility. The truth is that the COVID-19 vaccine encourages the body to create copies of the spike protein found on the coronavirus’s surface. This “teaches” the body’s immune system to fight the virus that has that specific spike protein on it.

Confusion arose when a false report surfaced on social media, saying that the spike protein on this coronavirus was the same as another spike protein called syncitin-1 that is involved in the growth and attachment of the placenta during pregnancy. The false report said that getting the COVID-19 vaccine would cause a woman’s body to fight this different spike protein and affect her fertility. The two spike proteins are completely different and distinct, and getting the COVID-19 vaccine will not affect the fertility of women who are seeking to become pregnant, including through in vitro fertilization methods. During the Pfizer vaccine tests, 23 women volunteers involved in the study became pregnant, and the only one who suffered a pregnancy loss had not received the actual vaccine, but a placebo.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-myth-versus-fact

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On 6/21/2021 at 12:26 PM, Duncan said:

Can you imagine how embarassing it would be to find your folks wrote someone about your fertility?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Parents worry about their children, even if that worry is sometimes misguided.  They didn't write just someone, they wrote who they thought was a trusted priesthood leader for advice about a subject that concerned them.

It was Elder Uchtdorf who decided to make this public so that people here could look down on some parents who were only trying to do what's best for their child. 

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50 minutes ago, oremites said:

Parents worry about their children, even if that worry is sometimes misguided.  They didn't write just someone, they wrote who they thought was a trusted priesthood leader for advice about a subject that concerned them.

It was Elder Uchtdorf who decided to make this public so that people here could look down on some parents who were only trying to do what's best for their child. 

Somehow, I doubt that was his motivation.  :rolleyes: <_<

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1 hour ago, oremites said:

Parents worry about their children, even if that worry is sometimes misguided.  They didn't write just someone, they wrote who they thought was a trusted priesthood leader for advice about a subject that concerned them.

It was Elder Uchtdorf who decided to make this public so that people here could look down on some parents who were only trying to do what's best for their child. 

I don't think he knew I would share this information and it came out during a QA so it was extemporaneous that he said it

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4 minutes ago, Duncan said:

I don't think he knew I would share this information and it came out during a QA so it was extemporaneous that he said it

If he said it in public, he would have to know that people would repeat his words, even if he didn't know it would be you in particular.  

The same goes for you.  Now that you've publicly repeated the story, you have no idea how far it will spread or what use it will be put to.  That's just the reality of the internet age.

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1 hour ago, oremites said:

Parents worry about their children, even if that worry is sometimes misguided.  They didn't write just someone, they wrote who they thought was a trusted priesthood leader for advice about a subject that concerned them.

It was Elder Uchtdorf who decided to make this public so that people here could look down on some parents who were only trying to do what's best for their child. 

If you can’t do something smart at least take comfort in the fact that you may provide a good cautionary tale.

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29 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

If you can’t do something smart at least take comfort in the fact that you may provide a good cautionary tale.

Thank you.  That's exactly what I'm talking about.  A sort of snide contempt for these people because you think you're smarter and more well-informed than they are.

Edited:  Just to add, I'm sick today and kind of miserable and I know that when I'm like that I get harsh and uncharitable and start acting like a jackass, so sorry about that.  I think I'd better just turn off the computer and go back to playing Yakuza: Like a Dragon.

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1 hour ago, oremites said:

Thank you.  That's exactly what I'm talking about.  A sort of snide contempt for these people because you think you're smarter and more well-informed than they are.

Edited:  Just to add, I'm sick today and kind of miserable and I know that when I'm like that I get harsh and uncharitable and start acting like a jackass, so sorry about that.  I think I'd better just turn off the computer and go back to playing Yakuza: Like a Dragon.

Yes, you should.

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WHO officials said they are asking fully vaccinated people to continue to "play it safe" because a large portion of the world remains unvaccinated and highly contagious variants, like delta, are spreading in many countries, spurring outbreaks.

The Wall Street Journal reported Friday that about half of adults infected in an outbreak of the delta variant in Israel were fully vaccinated with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, prompting the government there to reimpose an indoor mask requirement and other measures.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/delta-who-urges-fully-vaccinated-people-to-continue-to-wear-masks-as-variant-spreads.html

Also, don’t assume vaccination is a silver bullet:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/06/07/breakthrough-covid-death-fully-vaccinated-napa-woman-dies-from-virus/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-10/man-fully-vaccinated-with-astrazeneca-vaccine-dies-in-seychelles

Deaths and hospitalizations have been going way down for those vaccinated, but it doesn’t zero out. 

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8 hours ago, oremites said:

Thank you.  That's exactly what I'm talking about.  A sort of snide contempt for these people because you think you're smarter and more well-informed than they are.

Edited:  Just to add, I'm sick today and kind of miserable and I know that when I'm like that I get harsh and uncharitable and start acting like a jackass, so sorry about that.  I think I'd better just turn off the computer and go back to playing Yakuza: Like a Dragon.

I hope you feel better and I am confident I am smarter than them.

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On 6/26/2021 at 1:32 AM, The Nehor said:

A lot of areas with low vaccination rates are starting to see a spike in cases.

My niece in-law and at least one daughter here in Utah County are now down with it.  She has been limiting her exposure rather than getting vaccinated, except for church…and apparently there are a number of cases there.  Her husband was vaccinated and so far is negative.  My niece has health issues and reacts badly to vaccines, so decided not to get it.  Praying recovery is quick and she doesn’t get Long Covid and the girl(s) have it easy as it appears so far to be.

My brother’s family had a reunion the day she figured out her symptoms were not the usual stuff after all, most have been vaccinated, but another younger niece and her husband have not as they believed it was too soon to trust it and were waiting another year or so for better info.  I did point out to them the science so far shows much greater risks from Covid, but limited my input to that. Hoping I will not have any reason to say “I told you so” though I would never actually say it.  So far no one else is showing any signs, been 3 days.

My sister and I can’t help laughing at the absurdity.  She has been hyper concerned about not getting it as she was worried about giving it to someone else and then them getting it bad or even dying.  She is a teacher and no way was she going to pass it on to her kids or their parents or fellow teachers if she got infected.  Even after vaccination, she still did all the recommended limitations religiously.  This trip and partying to visit family were in part her celebration of her semi social isolation coming to an end and she officially stopped wearing a mask when with others, etc.  And immediately Covid shows up in front of her face, closest encounter ever as her school had few incidents.  

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