maj Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 In the spirit of the original post, it seems that the Church has issued new / updated guidance to prevent the proliferation of virtual Church...
mfbukowski Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 14 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: When you became a bishop, though, weren’t you ordained a high priest? And didn’t that supersede your seventy office? "Supercede"? I was a High Priest before I was a bishop, btw, but I have never heard that one office or priesthood "supersedes" another, any more than becoming an elder supercedes being a priest, but I am a lowly convert. Also, my question about "who's who" was about how you look up, say, who is the second counselor in an area presidency, or you hear that Elder abc is coming for stake conference, how do you look up his position? When you're a bishop you have access to all that stuff, but for me, no longer.
mfbukowski Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, maj said: In the spirit of the original post, it seems that the Church has issued new / updated guidance to prevent the proliferation of virtual Church... Gosh bro, why are you messing with all these great derails? We NEVER follow the OP around here! Why, we still have not discussed same sex marriage here yet or not even evolution or women holding the priesthood or global warming! Edited April 19, 2020 by mfbukowski
Calm Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 3 hours ago, maj said: In the spirit of the original post, it seems that the Church has issued new / updated guidance to prevent the proliferation of virtual Church... Are you referring to these instructions or something else? If the latter, could you provide a link or info with a source please. https://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/72824-church-gives-out-instructions-for-ordinances-etc/
Stargazer Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 On 4/16/2020 at 6:29 AM, amo said: About a week after all church public meetings were suspended due to COVID-19, a new trend has seen the light in many of the units of my stake: VIRTUAL church meetings. These meetings, according to one of the bishops who implemented them in his ward, are meant “to help individuals be fed by the good word of God”, and are part of a block of 2 Sunday meetings—a devotional by the bishopric (40 mnts.), followed by a Sunday school, priesthood or Relief Society meeting (40 mnts.) Now, add to this newly born virtual block of Sunday meetings a weekly bishopric meeting, a biweekly WC meeting and a few other board meetings and the result is a real virtual church meeting bombarding… 🤪 How about in your units, are you getting bombarded as well ? 😁 Amo I wouldn't call it bombarded. Not at all. I will say that I have been in more than perhaps others have been. But that's because I'm the stake clerk. We had a stake council meeting on Wednesday, and this morning a stake presidency meeting. Just a few minutes ago our weekly ward "fireside" closed. It was rather like the second hour of Sunday meetings. These were all done using Zoom. Other leadership meetings will be happening in the next couple of weeks, including Bishops Training, a meeting of the stake presidency with Elders Quorum presidents, and later one with RS presidents. The "regular" members won't be seeing these, of course, so they could hardly be "bombarded". Before the pandemic I used to drive 40 miles to the stake center for either stake council or presidency meetings, about three times per month. Now I can stay at home and meet! I like it! For the most part, these virtual meetings seem to be replacing what we were normally doing, not adding to them. One of my ministering families had a death just a couple of weeks ago, and we'll have a memorial service once things go back to normal. But yesterday the brother's casket stopped by at his house for a visit with his widow, who could not be there with him when he passed (he died of old age, not Covid-19). A number of ward members (including my wife and I) drove down there and stood at a distance in a kind of vigil, social distancing all the way. Also some of the family's neighbors. Then after a bit the hearse drove off to the crematorium, and we all waved (or saluted in my case) as his casket went by. We all waved at each other afterwards, said a few encouraging words at a distance, and then everyone went home. So, that was our funeral service, I guess. 1
Stargazer Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 On 4/16/2020 at 7:49 AM, MorningStar said: We haven't had any virtual church meetings except for my daughter visiting with the young women. She desperately misses her friends. This problem of feeling isolated is happening all over for the youth. Our YW leaders are taking steps to try to ameliorate this by using Zoom and suchlike. 1
Scott Lloyd Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 On 4/18/2020 at 10:33 AM, mfbukowski said: How do you know which is which? Is there anything generic for "them guys above Stake presidents"? On 4/18/2020 at 11:35 AM, Calm said: Area authorities with little ‘a’ should cover it, imo. 22 hours ago, Rain said: Yes. I didn't remember which way it was and I didn't know exactly what position he was. I just could see at the site I was at that he was not over my area. Besides it slips from my mind every single time anyway. I figured that if I was talking about someone in the "area" who had "authority" for the area I was covered by nearly everyone reading the thread. 21 hours ago, mfbukowski said: Yeah, that's the way I understood it, including even Bishops. Maybe "area/local leaders" would cover it. Middle managers. FYI Here is an article i wrote in 2011 on the office of Seventy. It is based in part on an interview I did with Elder Ronald A. Rasband, who was then the senior member of the Presidency of the Seventy and who is now in the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. https://www.thechurchnews.com/archives/2011-04-16/quorums-of-the-seventy-service-to-god-58665 I guess my fussiness about terminology stems from my understanding of and appreciation for how the administrative office of Seventy has come into its own today to meet the needs of the global and ever-expanding Church. It is noteworthy that the term “Area Authority” was discontinued in 1997. That’s 23 years ago. I think it high time we remove this outmoded term from our vernacular.
Scott Lloyd Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, mfbukowski said: Also, my question about "who's who" was about how you look up, say, who is the second counselor in an area presidency, or you hear that Elder abc is coming for stake conference, how do you look up his position? When you're a bishop you have access to all that stuff, but for me, no longer. Sometimes at a meeting, if a visiting speaker is a member of the Area Presidency, he will be introduced as such from the pulpit. Also, from time to time, the Church News will carry updates on who the current members are in the area presidencies. My concern has been that we not call a man an “area authority” when he is really a member of the Seventy. Edited April 19, 2020 by Scott Lloyd
Scott Lloyd Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Stargazer said: This problem of feeling isolated is happening all over for the youth. Our YW leaders are taking steps to try to ameliorate this by using Zoom and suchlike. I read this just now and turned to my 14-year-old seated beside me to ask if she is feeling isolated because she can’t meet with her Young Women group. She looked puzzled for an instant and then said, “No. I have a family.” 2
Calm Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 59 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: I read this just now and turned to my 14-year-old seated beside me to ask if she is feeling isolated because she can’t meet with her Young Women group. She looked puzzled for an instant and then said, “No. I have a family.” Kids are all different. Mine wouldn't have missed her YW group, but school friends would have been hard.
Rain Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: FYI Here is an article i wrote in 2011 on the office of Seventy. It is based in part on an interview I did with Elder Ronald A. Rasband, who was then the senior member of the Presidency of the Seventy and who is now in the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. https://www.thechurchnews.com/archives/2011-04-16/quorums-of-the-seventy-service-to-god-58665 I guess my fussiness about terminology stems from my understanding of and appreciation for how the administrative office of Seventy has come into its own today to meet the needs of the global and ever-expanding Church. It is noteworthy that the term “Area Authority” was discontinued in 1997. That’s 23 years ago. I think it high time we remove this outmoded term from our vernacular. Like I said, it's not something that sticks with me and it is probably because I really don't care about it. It makes no discernable difference in my life. Edit: And I didn't use "Area Authority". I used "area authority". I'm pretty sure everyone here got the gist of what I was saying. Edited April 19, 2020 by Rain 2
Kenngo1969 Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: Sometimes at a meeting, if a visiting speaker is a member of the Area Presidency, he will be introduced as such from the pulpit. Also, from time to time, the Church News will carry updates on who the current members are in the area presidencies. My concern has been that we not call a man an “area authority” when he is really a member of the Seventy. Split the difference. Call 'em all "Elder." That way, you'll be safe!
Scott Lloyd Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Kenngo1969 said: Split the difference. Call 'em all "Elder." That way, you'll be safe! They already are called “Elder”. My beef is with identifying them as “area authority” when that designation no longer exists in the Church and it is just as convenient to use the correct name Area Seventy.
Scott Lloyd Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Rain said: Like I said, it's not something that sticks with me and it is probably because I really don't care about it. It makes no discernable difference in my life. Edit: And I didn't use "Area Authority". I used "area authority". I'm pretty sure everyone here got the gist of what I was saying. Maybe after the brouhaha here it will start to stick in your mind and you’ll cease to use a term that is 23 years out of date.
Scott Lloyd Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Calm said: Kids are all different. Mine wouldn't have missed her YW group, but school friends would have been hard. I realize kids are all different. Just pointing out that Young Women feeling isolated right now might not be as ubiquitous as is supposed. Incidentally, she’s the only daughter in a family of four siblings. So it’s not as though she has sisters at home to interact with. It is as you say, kids are all different. Edited April 19, 2020 by Scott Lloyd
Calm Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: Maybe after the brouhaha here it will start to stick in your mind and you’ll cease to use a term that is 23 years out of date. There is nothing out of date with a generic term (that is not a title) of “area authority” (no capitals) any more than saying area leader or regional leader or authority. Edited April 19, 2020 by Calm 1
bluebell Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: Maybe after the brouhaha here it will start to stick in your mind and you’ll cease to use a term that is 23 years out of date. Time to just accept that people can use terms you don’t think they should use. 😁 Edited April 19, 2020 by bluebell 1
Scott Lloyd Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, bluebell said: Time to just accept that people can use terms you don’t think they should use. 😁 I have as much right to offer corrections as do others to refuse them. And I’ve given my reasons.
Scott Lloyd Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Calm said: There is nothing out of date with a generic term (that is not a title) of “area authority” (no capitals) any more than saying area leader or regional leader or authority. It’s not a generic term, upper-case letters or not. It is a term the Church formerly used that has now been discontinued. We don’t say “ward teachers” anymore, or even “home teachers” or “visiting teachers,” even though many people would probably understand what we meant if we did. Edited April 19, 2020 by Scott Lloyd 1
bluebell Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: I have as much right to offer corrections as do others to refuse them. And I’ve given my reasons. You definitely have the right to be bossy. 😉
Scott Lloyd Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, bluebell said: You definitely have the right to be bossy. 😉 Just as others have the right to be obdurate and contrary, I suppose. Edited April 19, 2020 by Scott Lloyd
bluebell Posted April 20, 2020 Posted April 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: Just as others have the right to be obdurate and contrary, I suppose. Exactly! Everyone has agreed so now we can talk about something else. 😊 1
Scott Lloyd Posted April 20, 2020 Posted April 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, bluebell said: Exactly! Everyone has agreed so now we can talk about something else. 😊 All I’ve done for the past day or so is respond to those who are pissed off that I even brought it up. I’ll stop when others stop.
Calm Posted April 20, 2020 Posted April 20, 2020 38 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: It’s not a generic term, upper-case letters or not. You saying this isn’t convincing me much. Use of a term as a title doesn’t remove it for all time from being a generic label. I used “ministers” as a generic for discussion with nonmembers at times before to describe what were then called “home teachers”. Now it is the official title doesn’t require I can no longer use it as a generic.
Calm Posted April 20, 2020 Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: All I’ve done for the past day or so is respond to those who are pissed off that I even brought it up. I’ll stop when others stop. Who is pissed off? I think it is funny myself. We can see who lasts longer. I can be very obsessive when I feel like it. Edited April 20, 2020 by Calm 1
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