Calm Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 56 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: It's hard to investigate the symbolism of something that's been removed and you don't know exists. Can a principle only be taught in one way? 3
JLHPROF Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 42 minutes ago, Calm said: Can a principle only be taught in one way? Of course not. I think I place more significance on the importance of ritual than simply as a teaching tool. I don't believe that is all the temple is.
Calm Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: Of course not. I think I place more significance on the importance of ritual than simply as a teaching tool. I don't believe that is all the temple is. There are a massive amount of not available to me opportunities in life, if I start looking at life that way I might as well give up now. Better to believe that God will provide me with what I need when .I need it and enough extra to keep me interested. Edited January 24, 2020 by Calm 4
The Nehor Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 11:31 AM, bluebell said: Hubby and I went Thursday night and it was SO hot! Second Coming imminent! Clearly we are being prepared to endure the everlasting burnings of exalted glory. 2
bluebell Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Second Coming imminent! Clearly we are being prepared to endure the everlasting burnings of exalted glory.
The Nehor Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 As to this being the YouTube generation that cannot handle anything but summaries that seems to be the lament of every passing generation. I expect when I grow old I will be complaining about the kids with their brain stimulation learning or whatever are unable to enjoy anything. 1
bluebell Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 11 hours ago, JLHPROF said: Of course not. I think I place more significance on the importance of ritual than simply as a teaching tool. I don't believe that is all the temple is. I think that ritual is a little bit like how Jesus describes the Sabbath in the NT. It's meant to serve and support man, man does not serve and support it. When ritual becomes a stumbling block for the majority, then I think God changes it and gives us something that can provide the same results with less negative outcomes. It's the outcome in people's lives that is important, not the ritual itself. And I do get what you are saying because I also believe that ritual is important. 4
longview Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 25 minutes ago, bluebell said: I think that ritual is a little bit like how Jesus describes the Sabbath in the NT. It's meant to serve and support man, man does not serve and support it. When ritual becomes a stumbling block for the majority, then I think God changes it and gives us something that can provide the same results with less negative outcomes. It's the outcome in people's lives that is important, not the ritual itself. And I do get what you are saying because I also believe that ritual is important. What we have in the temple is to provide participants with the opportunity to ponder over various symbols and actions and to meditate with the spirit. To provide feedback between daily living (struggles), searching the scriptures and serving in the temple. The temple has been said to foreshadow the "REAL" in the next world, in the Eternities. I like to think of it as being prepared to actually operate the Powers of the Priesthood to create (organize) worlds and dominions, invite intelligences to become spirit children and to present to them the choice for participating in the next Eternal Round of The Plan of Happiness. 1
Calm Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 55 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Second Coming imminent! Clearly we are being prepared to endure the everlasting burnings of exalted glory. I think I may have got my first glimpse of heaven not being for me. Maybe I am destined for the Ninth Circle after all (but I would prefer to just send me back to Canada, great AND cold). 1
The Nehor Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Calm said: I think I may have got my first glimpse of heaven not being for me. Maybe I am destined for the Ninth Circle after all (but I would prefer to just send me back to Canada, great AND cold). Don’t worry. I looked it up in the Apocrypha. It is like a hot tub. Really hot at first but you quickly get used to it. 1
MiserereNobis Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 17 hours ago, mfbukowski said: The real is just too big and complex to capture Which is why the nature of God, the Absolute, the Ground of All Being, remains a mystery, hinted at only in mystical experience and best expressed through negation and paradox (good ol' St. John of the Cross) 3
mfbukowski Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, MiserereNobis said: Which is why the nature of God, the Absolute, the Ground of All Being, remains a mystery, hinted at only in mystical experience and best expressed through negation and paradox (good ol' St. John of the Cross) Yes sir, totally agree but I also think some man made but inspired paradigms are better than others for a particular time or situation. Example: satisfying the questions of a five-year-old about the " birds and bees" vs a 13 year old, vs even a moral adult before the wedding night. Or another one - how about string theory? Is it "true"? Contrast a YouTube explanation versus one given to graduate physics students, vs a post-doc discussion in the journals. Same with theories about God. You start trying to put it into words and that's when the trouble begins. But still some explanations are better than others. 2
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