kllindley Posted October 7, 2019 Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: Do they post under their real identity? I ask, because I should think a spouse’s porn addiction ought not be a thing one chatters about on Facebook. I disagree. Recent materials from the Church encourage being more open about our struggles and not trying to hide it. I think it would have to be with the spouse's permission, but I think it would be very appropriate and helpful in confronting the shame that so frequently accompanies and fuels compulsive behaviors. Edited October 7, 2019 by kllindley 1
Calm Posted October 7, 2019 Posted October 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, bluebell said: I know that many bishops are encourage men with porn habits (who are trying to repent) to go to the temple more. Wives talk about it all the time in latter-day saint mommy facebook groups Otoh, I have heard of a few cases where teens have been denied participating in the sacrament for months and even years because of being unable to achieve complete control over porn or masturbation. And this leads to a loss of anticipation for a mission since they end up believing it will never change or attending a church school, temple marriage, etc. I hope the shift lessens these situations, where recognition of effort is given way before the youth settles into despair on the subject. 3
bluebell Posted October 7, 2019 Posted October 7, 2019 15 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: Do they post under their real identity? I ask, because I should think a spouse’s porn addiction ought not be a thing one chatters about on Facebook. Some of them do but many use the anonymous post feature for sensitive issues.
bluebell Posted October 7, 2019 Posted October 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Calm said: Otoh, I have heard of a few cases where teens have been denied participating in the sacrament for months and even years because of being unable to achieve complete control over porn or masturbation. And this leads to a loss of anticipation for a mission since they end up believing it will never change or attending a church school, temple marriage, etc. I hope the shift lessens these situations, where recognition of effort is given way before the youth settles into despair on the subject. Yes, I have heard of that as well.
Teancum Posted October 7, 2019 Posted October 7, 2019 16 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said: Is your friend really so childish that he would arrange a temple recommend interview as an excuse to engage in a silly point-scoring exercise with an already overburdened bishopric member? Shouldn't a person answer honestly? The last to TRs I had I was dogged by the bishop's executive secretary. I didn't really want to go because at that time my answers for the belief parts were far from orthodox though my behavior was down the line. So I Went and spent a lot of time on what i thought on the belief questions. Went through the practice and obedience ones fast. He gave me a recommend. I was surprised. 1
CV75 Posted October 7, 2019 Posted October 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Teancum said: Shouldn't a person answer honestly? The last to TRs I had I was dogged by the bishop's executive secretary. I didn't really want to go because at that time my answers for the belief parts were far from orthodox though my behavior was down the line. So I Went and spent a lot of time on what i thought on the belief questions. Went through the practice and obedience ones fast. He gave me a recommend. I was surprised. How did it go with the stake level interview, or was this a limited-use recommend?
Teancum Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 16 hours ago, CV75 said: How did it go with the stake level interview, or was this a limited-use recommend? Stake president signed off and no it was not limited use. And this happened twice. Two years after this same thing. 1
CV75 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 30 minutes ago, Teancum said: Stake president signed off and no it was not limited use. And this happened twice. Two years after this same thing. So it went well for you, right? I think this has to do with subordinating one's dictates of conscience to obedience within the religious society. When the dictates of one's conscience translates into corresponding behavior (as in the free exercise of religion), D&C 134:4, 10 and Articles of Faith 11 come into play.
2BizE Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 This may have been answered already, but what is keeping the Sabbath Day holy; at home and at church? Specifically, at church. What does that mean? Would that be like ordering a pizza to be delivered to EQ meeting? Joking aside, I would like to understand what that means.
etana Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 1 minute ago, 2BizE said: This may have been answered already, but what is keeping the Sabbath Day holy; at home and at church? Specifically, at church. What does that mean? Would that be like ordering a pizza to be delivered to EQ meeting? Joking aside, I would like to understand what that means. I'm not sure it means the same thing to everyone. What it means to me may not map--in all specifics--completely to what it means to anyone else. 1
Ahab Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, 2BizE said: This may have been answered already, but what is keeping the Sabbath Day holy; at home and at church? Specifically, at church. What does that mean? Would that be like ordering a pizza to be delivered to EQ meeting? Joking aside, I would like to understand what that means. Making something holy refers to something being set apart for a sacred purpose. It is how we use something that makes it holy. Here are some suggestions for some things we can do to make our Sundays more sacred: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/youth/article/5-ways-to-make-sundays-more-meaningful?lang=eng Edited October 8, 2019 by Ahab
bluebell Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, 2BizE said: This may have been answered already, but what is keeping the Sabbath Day holy; at home and at church? Specifically, at church. What does that mean? Would that be like ordering a pizza to be delivered to EQ meeting? Joking aside, I would like to understand what that means. When I was 12 our (very active) sunday school teacher would take the class to the local grocery store on fast sunday and buy each of us a donut and then take us back to church. Maybe it means something like that.
2BizE Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, bluebell said: When I was 12 our (very active) sunday school teacher would take the class to the local grocery store on fast sunday and buy each of us a donut and then take us back to church. Maybe it means something like that. That is a good one. I bet that is one of the few Sunday lessons you remember.
Scott Lloyd Posted October 8, 2019 Author Posted October 8, 2019 With permission, I quote the following Facebook post from Cassandra Showell Hedelius, because it is germane to this thread topic: ”This is a big deal. In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, you have enormous freedom to question, doubt, and believe differently than other members or even from official church teachings. And I love it that way; come be my friend and we'll enjoy discussing important things, or just be friends who are cool with being different! “However. When it comes to the most sacred aspects and practices of our faith, there are and must be limits. Those limits have just been clarified. Before, the question was if you affiliated with groups that opposed the church. Now, the question is: “ ‘Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?’ “Promoting opposition to church teachings, distrust and condemnation of church leaders, and self-righteousness about one's morality or spiritual insight being superior to the church's is not good. It may mean you shouldn't have a temple recommend. It may mean you shouldn't teach or serve in certain ways in church.” 1
Calm Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, 2BizE said: This may have been answered already, but what is keeping the Sabbath Day holy; at home and at church? Specifically, at church. What does that mean? Would that be like ordering a pizza to be delivered to EQ meeting? Joking aside, I would like to understand what that means. I would describe it as restricting oneself to activities that primarily direct one's thoughts to God and his glories including service for others and consciously trying to invite the Spirit into your home, life, heart. At church, making an effort to connect as best you can with your faith community. Helping create an atmosphere of peace and charity. Making an effort to keep one's thoughts focused on the worship aspects of meetings as opposed to letting one's mind wander into more self centered thinking or worry. For me at home, this translates to avoiding my usual mystery shows that revel more in the negative side of humanity as well as delaying my online shopping or wandering interior decorating sites till the next day as that puts me into a more materialistic frame of mind (I start to focus more on "I want..."). Also avoiding news that sets me off thinking nasty things about people or creates worry over something I have no control over. On the positive side of behaviour, visiting family and friends who could use a visit, studying the gospel, doing some tidying or minor beautification of my home as the physical act of putting my house in order helps put my mind in order and lowers anxiety. Edited October 8, 2019 by Calm
JLHPROF Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: “ ‘Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?’ “Promoting opposition to church teachings, distrust and condemnation of church leaders, and self-righteousness about one's morality or spiritual insight being superior to the church's is not good. It may mean you shouldn't have a temple recommend. It may mean you shouldn't teach or serve in certain ways in church.” Promoting and supporting are two very different things. I get the rule against promoting. I find the rule against supporting a step too close to impacting personal belief.
Ahab Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: Promoting and supporting are two very different things. I get the rule against promoting. I find the rule against supporting a step too close to impacting personal belief. Rephrase the question like this if it makes it easier for you to understand: Do you support any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Scott Lloyd Posted October 8, 2019 Author Posted October 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: Promoting and supporting are two very different things. I get the rule against promoting. I find the rule against supporting a step too close to impacting personal belief. How, then, do you define supporting? Or could you give some examples to illustrate it? One that springs readily to my mind is enabling such promotion, perhaps by giving money or time or skills or influence. And yes, I think that would be objectionable and would warrant consideration by a priesthood leader from whom one is seeking a recommend.
Scott Lloyd Posted October 8, 2019 Author Posted October 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ahab said: Rephrase the question like this if it makes it easier for you to understand: Do you support any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints What makes you think you get to rephrase temple recommend interview questions?
Ahab Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 53 minutes ago, bluebell said: When I was 12 our (very active) sunday school teacher would take the class to the local grocery store on fast sunday and buy each of us a donut and then take us back to church. Maybe it means something like that. I suppose didn't have much of an income at 12 years old, so technically you qualified as poor. And maybe that teacher didn't have much of an income, either, so maybe it took the cost of 2 meals to buy everybody that donut. And the donation was offered on a Sunday. Sounds like a perfectly good example to me! 😉 1
Stargazer Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 On 10/7/2019 at 1:16 AM, JLHPROF said: Well, I'm in trouble now. Although I disagree with this change. Which I suppose also puts me in trouble. And probably half the membership too I suppose. Unless we all only support the official version of every single doctrine... If we're going to be "point by point" on this, we'll need a catechism. So we know what is "official doctrine." I don't think this is what is meant. 1
Ahab Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, Scott Lloyd said: What makes you think you get to rephrase temple recommend interview questions? The Holy Spirit made me able to do it. Here, I'll do it again to show you how easy it is. ‘Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?’ ‘Do you support any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?’ ‘Do you promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?’ 1
etana Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: Promoting and supporting are two very different things. I get the rule against promoting. I find the rule against supporting a step too close to impacting personal belief. As written i would have to answer no given that i attended my niece's wedding and said (and meant) congrats to her and her wife.
Ahab Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, Stargazer said: If we're going to be "point by point" on this, we'll need a catechism. So we know what is "official doctrine." I don't think this is what is meant. If you don't know what the official doctrine of the Church is you probably should not be teaching.
Ahab Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, etana said: As written i would have to answer no given that i attended my niece's wedding and said (and meant) congrats to her and her wife. You can repent now so that by the time someone asks you that question you can say yes instead of no. The question is phrased in the active tense, Do you? Rather than in the past tense: Did you or Have you ever? 1
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