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Scott Lloyd Grand Master

Scott Lloyd

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23 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Elder M. Russell Ballard:  "Keep it simple."

His wife died just before the last conference. He seems to be holding up well. 

I drove up after the last session in October to greet him during the viewing. He and I have had personal associations. He is a favorite of mine. 

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mfbukowski Grand Master

mfbukowski

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Elder Neal Anderson

"What is Truth?"

We learn it through the Holy Ghost..   We see it through faith and are spiritually discerned- Elder Held's immediately preceding talk mentioned.

Wonderful graphics showing how truth reveals itself in different perspectives.

Prophets get revelation for OUR day.

Law of Chastity/ Proclamation-  defended.

 

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Scott Lloyd Grand Master

Scott Lloyd

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1 minute ago, mfbukowski said:

Elder Neal Anderson

"What is Truth?"

We learn it through the Holy Ghost..   We see it through faith and are spiritually discerned- Elder Held's immediately preceding talk mentioned.

Wonderful graphics showing how truth reveals itself in different perspectives.

Prophets get revelation for OUR day.

Law of Chastity/ Proclamation-  defended.

 

I think he debunked the “my truth” and “your truth” pop philosophy. 

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mfbukowski Grand Master

mfbukowski

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40 minutes ago, JAHS said:

That will show up in the Ensign. I wonder if the long list of Area Seventies took too long so they cut it out for time.
I understand announcing all new main general authorities, but it seems like they could cut out listing off all the Area Seventies.

I enjoy listening for anyone I know getting "promoted"

That actually happens here in the "Mission Field".  ;)

Guys you hung out with end up as temple presidents and GA's !

Scott Lloyd Grand Master

Scott Lloyd

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7 minutes ago, Garden Girl said:

I loved hearing all the various ethnic names... someone was talking about diversity... the reading of those names left no doubt about the worldwide nature of the Church...

GG

Yes, among the Area Seventies especially. They have geographical assignments and are apt to serve close to home, maintaining their livelihoods while serving in the Church callings. 

The Nehor Grand Master

The Nehor

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8 minutes ago, Garden Girl said:

I loved hearing all the various ethnic names... someone was talking about diversity... the reading of those names left no doubt about the worldwide nature of the Church...

GG

I felt a little empathy for President Oaks. He was trying very hard to be solid on his pronunciation but there were a lot of names.

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Scott Lloyd Grand Master

Scott Lloyd

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2 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

I enjoy listening for anyone I know getting "promoted"

That actually happens here in the "Mission Field".  ;)

Guys you hung out with end up as temple presidents and GA's !

Elder Renlund served in my mission, but he went home not long before I arrived. 

pogi Grand Master

pogi

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23 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

Mathias Held- BRILLIANT talk about combining the spirit with rational thinking

My favorite talk so far.  Those tuning out the 70’s (Duncan) are missing out! 😁

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MustardSeed Grand Master

MustardSeed

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I’m more than a little disappointed.  I spent some hard green to buy internet access for my flight .  It’s apparently too slow to stream. 

Thanks for updates.  I mean I can watch it later but it’s not NOW. ;)

mfbukowski Grand Master

mfbukowski

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4 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

I think he debunked the “my truth” and “your truth” pop philosophy. 

Disagree of course.

In your perspective, probably.

I suggest you listen to more than one line of the talk and see the whole thing as the perspectives evolve.

member10_1 Explorer

member10_1

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12 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

Elder Neal Anderson

"What is Truth?"

We learn it through the Holy Ghost..   We see it through faith and are spiritually discerned- Elder Held's immediately preceding talk mentioned.

Wonderful graphics showing how truth reveals itself in different perspectives.

Prophets get revelation for OUR day.

Law of Chastity/ Proclamation-  defended.

 

You didn’t think it odd that the graphics illustrated relativism in a talk about absolute truth? 

member10_1 Explorer

member10_1

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15 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

I think he debunked the “my truth” and “your truth” pop philosophy. 

Not so sure about that. His illustration of dots and the eye seemed explain the “my truth” idea rather than debunk it.

LoudmouthMormon Veteran

LoudmouthMormon

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9 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

I’m more than a little disappointed.  I spent some hard green to buy internet access for my flight .  It’s apparently too slow to stream. 

Thanks for updates.  I mean I can watch it later but it’s not NOW. ;)

Go here:

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/live-viewing-times-and-options?lang=eng

There are low bandwidth options, and really low bandwidth audio only options.

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Gray Grand Master

Gray

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2 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

No just bad PR.

This is a worldwide church, but you do not see that represented.

Me?   Identity politics?

🤣

Projection.

 

It's not great but there's not a lot of diversity in the church within driving distance of SLC. Our ward is pretty diverse but I don't think most could handle the commute. 😛

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pogi Grand Master

pogi

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11 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

I think he debunked the “my truth” and “your truth” pop philosophy. 

Not necessarily.  He is expressing “his truth” 😁

He established that absolute truth (God’s truth) exists, and that our individual perspectives (our truth) affects our experience with it.  

He established that the elephant does indeed exists, but as Elder Uchtdorf previously noted that we are all still blind men with individual perspectives (our truth) of THE Truth (God’s perspective) - the elephant. 

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mfbukowski Grand Master

mfbukowski

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Just now, member10_1 said:

You didn’t think it odd that the graphics illustrated relativism in a talk about absolute truth? 

A good example of reification by calling it "relativism" while it was about epistemology.

Did you notice that he did not mention HOW we find out what "absolute truth" IS without looking at different perspectives, but illustrated it instead?

I am not an enemy of absolute truth- but a huge fan!  It is found by Opposition and "Proving Contraries" - and different perspectives- which all lead to ONE TRUTH when you follow all the paths- turning them around and around until they all line up.  And that includes all perspectives- science AND spirit.

And all you saw was "relativism" vs "Truth"?

That's your truth and I will keep mine thank you.

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mfbukowski Grand Master

mfbukowski

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10 minutes ago, member10_1 said:

Not so sure about that. His illustration of dots and the eye seemed explain the “my truth” idea rather than debunk it.

OH KAY maybe I missed your point

If so I apologize- I think we agree.

bluebell Grand Master

bluebell

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12 minutes ago, member10_1 said:

Not so sure about that. His illustration of dots and the eye seemed explain the “my truth” idea rather than debunk it.

I agree with Scott. The illustration showed that perspective matters in recognizing truth. It did not teach that the image the dots made was accurate regardless of the pattern they made. 

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mfbukowski Grand Master

mfbukowski

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6 minutes ago, pogi said:

Not necessarily.  He is expressing “his truth” 😁

He established that absolute truth (God’s truth) exists, and that our individual perspectives (our truth) affects our experience with it.  

He established that the elephant does indeed exists, but as Elder Uchtdorf previously noted that we are all still blind men with individual perspectives (our truth) of THE Truth (God’s perspective) - the elephant. 

IOU some reps after that one!!

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mfbukowski Grand Master

mfbukowski

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4 minutes ago, bluebell said:

I agree with Scott. The illustration showed that perspective matters in recognizing truth. It did not teach that the image the dots made was accurate regardless of the pattern they made. 

Ah the problems with language.

I disagreed with Scott, of course, and agree with you.

And that is what the Tower of Babel represents.

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