Were Those Members Who Opposed The 2015 Policy Right To Do So?

[Teancum]

21 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Hell or people going to it?

Both

[Teancum]

35 minutes ago, 6EQUJ5 said:

The prophets have told us that -- right or wrong -- they will never lead us astray.  It is not in the Lord's program.

The "prophets" tell you that as a mind control technique and to keep your seat in the pew. Let me enlighten you. It's a lie. When anyone tells you to follow them and you will be blessed, even if what they tell you is wrong, but don't worry it will never be wrong... run away. Run away very fast.

[Wade Englund]

20 minutes ago, ALarson said:

I agree.  

You also said you understood, you didn't miss the point, and you haven't been gossiping. I am sensing a pattern here. Ah....the fascinating, mess-making minds of men.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[USU78]

17 minutes ago, Teancum said:

The "prophets" tell you that as a mind control technique and to keep your seat in the pew. Let me enlighten you. It's a lie. When anyone tells you to follow them and you will be blessed, even if what they tell you is wrong, but don't worry it will never be wrong... run away. Run away very fast.

Are you serious about wishing to interact with '78?  Because with what you just posted here, I cannot imagine why I would wish to interact with Teancum.  Please advise what you intend.

[ALarson]

12 minutes ago, Wade Englund said:

You also said you understood, you didn't miss the point, and you haven't been gossiping. I am sensing a pattern here. Ah....the fascinating, mess-making minds of men.

CFR that I've been "gossiping".  Please post a link to a post where I have posted gossip.

Or do you agree with me that I have not done that?

Edited April 5, 2019 by ALarson

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, Gray said:

Okay, where does it exist outside of your private interpretation?

The Temple.

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, Teancum said:

At times they deserve it.  Even though on the mind control bend they say they can never be criticized even if the criticism is valid.

No, they can be. They just should not be by the faithful.

[JulieM]

15 minutes ago, ALarson said:

CFR that I've been "gossiping".  Please post a link to a post where I have posted gossip.

Or do you agree with me that I have not done that?

Seems he attacks even when you agree with him!  Weird

Maybe ignore him like I’m choosing to do after my encounter with him 😛

[jkwilliams]

Just now, JulieM said:

Seems he attacks even when you agree with him!  Weird

Maybe ignore him like I’m choosing to do after my encounter with him 😛

Good answer. 

[Calm]

You can actually use the ignore function so you don't even have to see posts themselves and thus only have to resist reading them when they are quoted.

This can help cut down on the need to tell someone you are ignoring them...which kind of proves you are not.  

Just observing.  ;)

[Teancum]

27 minutes ago, USU78 said:

Are you serious about wishing to interact with '78?  Because with what you just posted here, I cannot imagine why I would wish to interact with Teancum.  Please advise what you intend.

Then don't interact. Stay safe.

[ALarson]

2 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

Good answer. 

I agree....he's an odd one and I'm not familiar with him.  

(Great to see you here too, John!)

[Teancum]

15 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

No, they can be. They just should not be by the faithful.

The faithful should challenge them as well. Why not?

[ALarson]

3 minutes ago, Calm said:

You can actually use the ignore function so you don't even have to see posts themselves and thus only have to resist reading them when they are quoted.

This can help cut down on the need to tell someone you are ignoring them...which kind of proves you are not.  

Just observing.

Thanks Calm.  I know it's there, but I have not ever used it before.  I'll just not respond to him in the future and I'd rather just do that as I'm not a fan of personal attacks or name calling.

(But apparently, I do like to gossip 😂)

Edited April 5, 2019 by ALarson

[jkwilliams]

1 minute ago, ALarson said:

I agree....he's an odd one and I'm not familiar with him.  

(Great to see you here too, John!)

I’ve known Wade for roughly 25 years. Kind of fun seeing him around again. 

[ALarson]

1 minute ago, jkwilliams said:

I’ve known Wade for roughly 25 years. Kind of fun seeing him around again. 

Fun?  Hmmmm....ok  

[jkwilliams]

6 minutes ago, ALarson said:

Fun?  Hmmmm....ok  

I had lunch with him once, at least 15 years ago, back when I was a believer. 

[CA Steve]

5 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

I had lunch with him once, at least 15 years ago, back when I was a believer. 

Rumors are that you will have lunch with anybody. So it's not much of a recommendation.

😎

[jkwilliams]

Just now, CA Steve said:

Rumors are that you will have lunch with anybody. So it's not much of a recommendation.

😎

True. I’ve only said no once. For some reason, you make me think of a deli I went to in my youth. 

[Calm]

1 hour ago, ALarson said:

I'll just not respond to him in the future 

Some people have enough personal control.  Not me.  If I read and think of something, I start typing.  The fact that I write epics is probably useful in only this regard...I have enough time by the end of composing my post that my second thoughts can get through and then delete works great.

Having to choose to read a post that is on ignore reminds me not to let my buttons get pushed.  Works most the time.

[The Nehor]

8 hours ago, Teancum said:

The faithful should challenge them as well. Why not?

Because the faithful should have a little, you know, faith.

[CV75]

Here's something no one can ignore!

We have a pattern of the Lord changing His will, sometimes quickly, for the sake of conditionality and expediency (see the many examples in the Doctrine and Covenants).

This observation will hopefully help those who have difficulty with equating policy changes with a lack of inspiration, revelation, etc. and confusion over doctrinal changes. 

[rockpond]

17 minutes ago, CV75 said:

Here's something no one can ignore!

We have a pattern of the Lord changing His will, sometimes quickly, for the sake of conditionality and expediency (see the many examples in the Doctrine and Covenants).

This observation will hopefully help those who have difficulty with equating policy changes with a lack of inspiration, revelation, etc. and confusion over doctrinal changes. 

Actually... We have a pattern of men interpreting the Lord in such a way that it seems He may have changed His will. 

[RevTestament]

5 hours ago, USU78 said:

I'm not attacking, RT.  I've tried to be clear that I believe you're mistaken and misled, but it's in G-d's bailiwick to judge your and my hearts.  Just as a certain protestant padre was once told he'd been deceived by a malicious intelligence, and G-d, through His messenger, delivered to the poor deceived soul a message of hope and love, so I believe this instant recasting/adjustment of the policy is intended as a message of hope and love.

I defy anybody to find an ounce of anger in it.

I'm not crazy about it, as I think it will tend to empower the outsider malefactor class.  But I'm not paid to make such decisions.

I do understand that the change is not without risks. I do hope that gay parents do not try to use it in political ways. I think I understand your concerns, but I do hope/believe that in the end it will be for the overall good - especially for children who wish to be baptized, who previously could not. We can hopefully put an end to the divisiveness the policy caused.

[clarkgoble]

4 hours ago, Teancum said:

The "prophets" tell you that as a mind control technique and to keep your seat in the pew. Let me enlighten you. It's a lie. When anyone tells you to follow them and you will be blessed, even if what they tell you is wrong, but don't worry it will never be wrong... run away. Run away very fast.

Do you see the inherent irony in that paragraph?