“No Action” for Gina Colvin

[The Nehor]

29 minutes ago, california boy said:

How do you view the role of other religions?  Do you think they have any part of the body of Christ?  Or if you are not a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, then you really don't fit in anywhere.  The whole abomination thing.

Depends on the religion to be honest. I view people as being a part of the body of Christ. Religions, with the exception of the Kingdom of God itself, are transitory. They might lead to good or evil and most lead to both in differing mixtures.

[Damien the Leper]

On 12/24/2018 at 9:20 AM, ksfisher said:

It's not  just a matter of Christian baptism.  It's a baptism, using the sacred rites and ordinances of the gospel, by someone who has no authority to officiate in those ordinances.

Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that the priesthood, the authority to act in the name of God, was restored to the earth by through the prophet Joseph Smith. 

Someone who accepts baptism in another church, in my mind, is in effect saying that the priesthood is not necessary.

This is absolutely false. Valid apostolic succession has remained intact. The episcopacy of the Bishops is apostolic authority. The Anglican communion was given its holy orders by a Roman bishop in 1534. Accepting baptism into a church with apostolic succession is the act of confessing belief in not just God but his priesthood power. The Bishops with valid authority are the divinely declared Vicars of Christ and protectors of the Christian faith and God's truth.

[HappyJackWagon]

On ‎12‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 10:27 PM, Avatar4321 said:

That view point makes no sense. Neither the Church of Jesus Christ, the methodists, the Baptist, the Anglicans etc are all completely different organizations. Every one can easily say they don't need the other. Because they dont

Just because you can't understand the concept, doesn't mean it doesn't make any sense  

Christ is the body. Not a church. Christian church's are a part of the body of Christ as they claim him as the Savior and attempt to follow his teachings. Different denominations don't have to agree on details of theology and practice to still have at their core the desire to follow Jesus.

Jesus Christ is the body. Not the church. It's really not complicated.

[ksfisher]

16 hours ago, Valentinus said:

This is absolutely false. Valid apostolic succession has remained intact. The episcopacy of the Bishops is apostolic authority. The Anglican communion was given its holy orders by a Roman bishop in 1534. Accepting baptism into a church with apostolic succession is the act of confessing belief in not just God but his priesthood power. The Bishops with valid authority are the divinely declared Vicars of Christ and protectors of the Christian faith and God's truth.

I imagine on a Catholic or Anglican message board you would find support for this.

[Avatar4321]

4 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said:

Just because you can't understand the concept, doesn't mean it doesn't make any sense  

Christ is the body. Not a church. Christian church's are a part of the body of Christ as they claim him as the Savior and attempt to follow his teachings. Different denominations don't have to agree on details of theology and practice to still have at their core the desire to follow Jesus.

Jesus Christ is the body. Not the church. It's really not complicated.

Please tell me how Baptist’s need Latter Day Saints to practice their religion. How do we need Lutherans? How do Catholics need jehovahs witnesses?

[HappyJackWagon]

16 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said:

Please tell me how Baptist’s need Latter Day Saints to practice their religion. How do we need Lutherans? How do Catholics need jehovahs witnesses?

Pretty simple.

We all help to raise up people to follow Christ. We all serve others and espouse basic Christian ethics. We are all part of the greater Christian good.

As an individual (or even as a church) we may not like or appreciate everything the Baptist church says and does, yet there are many more people attempting to live as Christians because of the organization and efforts of the Baptist church.

[Teancum]

On 12/20/2018 at 2:46 PM, bluebell said:

I'm glad it was a positive experience for her.  I wonder if she will resign her membership, given that she thinks very poorly of the church in general?

Based on what I know of her she WILL NOT resigns her LDS membership.

Do you think she should?

[Teancum]

On 12/20/2018 at 1:32 PM, The Nehor said:

Oh boy. The apostles who ordered this disciplinary council and mandated excommunication are going to fire that poor bishop.  

It that is the case if is just another poor reflection on the LDS Church. 

[bluebell]

2 minutes ago, Teancum said:

Based on what I know of her she WILL NOT resigns her LDS membership.

Do you think she should?

No, it just seems weird to me that anyone would want to be a member of an organization that is as bad as she said the church is.   I don’t see the point. 

[Teancum]

On 12/21/2018 at 1:29 AM, Robert F. Smith said:

Sounds suspiciously ecumenical to me.

Oh my! What a horrible thing!!! It must be the end of the world as we know it.

It seems pretty clear that anyone who wants to remain LDS, but has serious and valid questions about its truth claims, is generally not welcome. 

The LDS Church leaders want an echo chamber.  How sad.

[bluebell]

3 minutes ago, Teancum said:

It that is the case if is just another poor reflection on the LDS Church. 

Nehor was joking, making fun of those people who are convinced that SLC controls the outcomes of these higher profile disciplinary councils. 

[Teancum]

On 12/21/2018 at 1:01 PM, mfbukowski said:

I know of course that this is sarcasm but I know that bishops CAN and do take actions against advice of leaders without getting "fired", because I have had that experience.

The entire idea of priesthood keys demands it- if God called me and I am the person who has the keys from God to be the individual's "Judge" in Israel- countermanding my revelation calls into question the whole enterprise.   

It's all am imaginary system as are all religions, nations, corporations and so on.

We need these as a species that when we went through the cognitive revolution needed stories to bind us together to cooperate and build civilizations.  Yet it is all imaginary.

[Teancum]

8 minutes ago, bluebell said:

No, it just seems weird to me that anyone would want to be a member of an organization that is as bad as she said the church is.   I don’t see the point. 

Well if you want to understand her listen to the Dehlin four part Mormon Stories podcast that he recently released.

Then we can talk about it.

Edited December 29, 2018 by Teancum

[Teancum]

3 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Nehor was joking, making fun of those people who are convinced that SLC controls the outcomes of these higher profile disciplinary councils. 

Nehor is a jerk. It;s hard to tell when he is being serious or just a pot stirrer.  It's usually the latter.

[bluebell]

Just now, Teancum said:

Well if you want to understand her listen to the Dehlin four part Mormon Stories podcast that herecently released.

Then we can talk about it.

I have no doubt it would be interesting but I don’t do podcasts.  I’m fine being left to wonder. 

[Teancum]

Just now, bluebell said:

I have no doubt it would be interesting but I don’t do podcasts.  I’m fine being left to wonder. 

Wonder away then.  But don't question her reasons unless you listen to her.

[bluebell]

Just now, Teancum said:

Nehor is a jerk. It;s hard to tell when he is being serious or just a pot stirrer.  It's usually the latter.

A winky face makes it pretty easy to tell in this case. 

But I find that if there is a poster that you think is really a jerk, the most healthy approach is to just put them on ignore. 

[bluebell]

Just now, Teancum said:

Wonder away then.  But don't question her reasons unless you listen to her.

If I don’t know something, I find the best approach is to ask questions. Then others who do know can share their knowledge with me. I don’t think it’s reasonable to say that only people willing to listen to hours of podcast should ask questions, so I probably won’t follow your instructions on the matter. 

[Jeanne]

I understand that people don;t like to watch podcasts...but if you want to learn something it is what you do.  This is why I watch 4 hours of conference!!!

[Calm]

6 minutes ago, Jeanne said:

I understand that people don;t like to watch podcasts...but if you want to learn something it is what you do.  This is why I watch 4 hours of conference!!!

It is impossible to watch all podcasts or read all books or whatever form learning takes.  Everyone makes choices what to learn.  I don't watch four hours of conferences, btw, as I find it very hard to remember anything as there are few differences for talks to stand out with beyond actual content and that I can better process by reading.

It is not a high priority for me to learn how Gina Colvin thinks at this point in my life since I have no interaction with her and do not see much likelihood of interaction.  I am still curious enough about how people think differently about things I am interested in I would find someone summarizing her ideas in a couple of paragraphs worthwhile, though I would qualify that summary as someone's opinion/interpretation of her views rather than actually her views and understand therefore the quality of info is inferior to hearing it straight from her.

Edited December 29, 2018 by Calm

[Jeanne]

5 minutes ago, Calm said:

It is impossible to watch all podcasts or read all books or whatever form learning takes.  Everyone makes choices what to learn.  I don't watch four hours of conferences, btw, as I find it very hard to remember anything as there are few differences for talks to stand out with beyond actual content and that I can better process by reading.

It is not a high priority for me to learn how Gina Colvin thinks at this point in my life since I have no interaction with her and do not see much likelihood of interaction.  I am still curious enough about how people think differently about things I am interested in I would find someone summarizing her ideas in a couple of paragraphs worthwhile, though I would qualify that summary as someone's opinion/interpretation of her views rather than actually her views and understand therefore the quality of info is inferior to hearing it straight from her.

But I know you Calm.  You are fair.  Yes it is impossible to read, listen to all things...but you are fair.  You are honest that you may not know all things and try hard not slam anybody.  For that I respect.

[bluebell]

13 minutes ago, Jeanne said:

I understand that people don;t like to watch podcasts...but if you want to learn something it is what you do.  This is why I watch 4 hours of conference!!!

Or you can ask someone who has watched the podcast. And conference is 10 hours long, so while watching 4 is great, it doesn’t seem like you think it’s a good use of your time to watch the whole thing (which would make sense if that’s true).

We can’t watch and read everything so we all have to set our priorities. Spending hours to learn about Gina Colvin is not a priority for me. My time is limited and I think there are other things that are more beneficial to me and my family. 

If it means I won’t get an answer to my question, then that’s ok. 😊

[mfbukowski]

32 minutes ago, Teancum said:

It's all am imaginary system as are all religions, nations, corporations and so on.

We need these as a species that when we went through the cognitive revolution needed stories to bind us together to cooperate and build civilizations.  Yet it is all imaginary.

So what's your point?  Nothing new here- that is how things work.

It is human consciousness creating  organization from Matter Unorganized.  If you want to  call  corporations "imaginary" then is all your retirement money under the mattress?

Where did  you say you lived? 

We live in a man-made world.  Go and fix the thermostat- it's getting cold in here. 

Are the  laws of thermodynamics "imaginary" to because we created them to describe regular subjective experiences like when you light this thing  called "fire" it gets warm?  And then one subjective experience follows another and then the guy who harness fire showed it to others and it became "objective truth" because all humans could do it too.  Good thing he shared all that stuff he made up, huh? 

 If whales had hands who knows- maybe we would all live in "Whale World" where we all squeaked at each other to communicate with our Whale Overlords who flipped us a fish with their fin if we squeaked correctly, or did tricks in our air-filled tanks underwater for their entertainment.

We create the world s we need to survive.   Does that make them "imaginary?"

This is nothing new.  It is called "social constructivism" if you want a name for it.  It all goes back to the tree falling in the forest.  It's only a "sound" if a person hears it otherwise it is some other human description like "vibrations in the atmosphere".

What makes "sound" NOT imaginary if we have to hear it to make it a "sound"?

No not new at all.

 

 

[Calm]

34 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Or you can ask someone who has watched the podcast. And conference is 10 hours long, so while watching 4 is great, it doesn’t seem like you think it’s a good use of your time to watch the whole thing (which would make sense if that’s true).

 

I probably end up watching two hours of conference, enough to get the feeling/tone to imagine while I read...longer and it starts to blur.

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, Teancum said:

Nehor is a jerk. It;s hard to tell when he is being serious or just a pot stirrer.  It's usually the latter.