poptart Posted August 14, 2018 Posted August 14, 2018 On 8/10/2018 at 10:56 AM, Jeanne said: Welcome, you won't learn anything from me as I am not very scholarly nor desire to be..just keep learning and trying to retain good points and real history. I am the local resigned member so bear with me. Perhaps we can learn together. Many hugs..Jeanne.. Aren't you going for a PhD? Thought you were in school. FYI, I start up next week, second bachelors ahoy.
Jeanne Posted August 14, 2018 Posted August 14, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, poptart said: Aren't you going for a PhD? Thought you were in school. FYI, I start up next week, second bachelors ahoy. A PHD??? Does it mean Please Help Diet?? That is the one..no I am just a retired lady that used to work fo government and then Walmart...just remodeling my condo and doing volunteer work...But hey...I like that PHD thing...!!! I love it that you are continuing education. You and others here are my education..my experience with others is always a learning one. Edited August 14, 2018 by Jeanne
The Nehor Posted August 14, 2018 Posted August 14, 2018 Pretty sure PHD stands for Perpetual Heinous Debt. 1
Guest Posted August 14, 2018 Posted August 14, 2018 19 hours ago, Josh516 said: lol well it's a relative opinion; not an absolute. So I guess it's not something that can be argued through logic or theory. It's all empirical argumentation. The truth is not "relative", the truth is "the truth", and "We believe in honoring and obeying the law".
Stargazer Posted August 14, 2018 Posted August 14, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, The Nehor said: Pretty sure PHD stands for Perpetual Heinous Debt. I told my late wife that one of my dreams was to get a PhD in astrophysics (I am NOT kidding), but she dashed my dreams by the cold harsh reality: by the time I got the doctorate, I'd be 70+ years old, and who is going to hire a brand-new minted 70 year old astrophysicist? Sometimes I hate reality. Edited August 14, 2018 by Stargazer 4
jkwilliams Posted August 15, 2018 Posted August 15, 2018 On 8/10/2018 at 3:45 PM, Josh516 said: Thank you very much I was sad to see I have to do 25 posts lol. I have some things I'd love to discuss. How did you become interested in fundamentalism, and what made you decide to join with that group? I find that transition fascinating, so forgive my curiosity.
longview Posted August 15, 2018 Posted August 15, 2018 20 hours ago, Stargazer said: I told my late wife that one of my dreams was to get a PhD in astrophysics (I am NOT kidding), but she dashed my dreams by the cold harsh reality: by the time I got the doctorate, I'd be 70+ years old, and who is going to hire a brand-new minted 70 year old astrophysicist? Sometimes I hate reality. but . . . but . . . but . . . you get to carry that designation to the next life . . . 1
poptart Posted August 16, 2018 Posted August 16, 2018 In Finland when you finish your PhD you get a cool hat and a sword. I'm serious, i've debated when i'm old going to finland to get a PhD In Germanic/Nordic studies just to get it. If I can get it on their dime and i'm financially sound enough not to have to worry about money I figure getting to study about the gods for free and earn a sword and hat is an awesome deal. 1
The Nehor Posted August 16, 2018 Posted August 16, 2018 36 minutes ago, poptart said: In Finland when you finish your PhD you get a cool hat and a sword. I'm serious, i've debated when i'm old going to finland to get a PhD In Germanic/Nordic studies just to get it. If I can get it on their dime and i'm financially sound enough not to have to worry about money I figure getting to study about the gods for free and earn a sword and hat is an awesome deal. You know you can just buy a hat and a sword right?
Semi Posted August 17, 2018 Posted August 17, 2018 On 8/10/2018 at 2:32 PM, Josh516 said: Thanks for the welcome everyone! I'm a member of the Apostolic United Brethren. For those who are unfamiliar with our beliefs, the main differences between us and other fundamentalist groups (from what I see) are: - We believe the LDS Church is still the true Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and that it still functions under some level of proper Priesthood. - We believe that the rightful keys of the Priesthood have been passed down to a man named Lynn Thompson. The difference between us and main stream LDS beliefs are: - Belief in the doctrine of disillusionment (that the Church, Priesthood, and Kingdom of God are each separate entities).onc 2 Josh516, what is your stance on: The Book of Mormon, D&C and PofGP? For the LDS Church to "still be true" it would have to be endorsed by Jesus Christ, the Holy Ghost & Priesthood. What is your logic for rejecting the current Prophets & Apostles? What of temples? The LDS Church says only marriage in temples by the sealing keys is the only way marriage can be for time & eternity. How do you reconcile your apostate life to the above questions?
Stargazer Posted August 17, 2018 Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) On 8/16/2018 at 4:44 AM, poptart said: In Finland when you finish your PhD you get a cool hat and a sword. I'm serious, i've debated when i'm old going to finland to get a PhD In Germanic/Nordic studies just to get it. If I can get it on their dime and i'm financially sound enough not to have to worry about money I figure getting to study about the gods for free and earn a sword and hat is an awesome deal. Might need to learn Finnish. This might not be too difficult, after all, in Finland even little children learn it easily. Edited August 17, 2018 by Stargazer
JLHPROF Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 On 8/15/2018 at 9:33 AM, jkwilliams said: How did you become interested in fundamentalism, and what made you decide to join with that group? I find that transition fascinating, so forgive my curiosity. He stated he was born into it.
JLHPROF Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 On 8/13/2018 at 6:39 PM, Jane_Doe said: Quote Am I making sense under the pretense that the Church, Priesthood, and Kingdom of God are separate organizations? The bolded part is what's confusing me. I've studied into fundamentalist history and teachings a bit as part of my focus on the doctrines and history of the early days of the Church. In my opinion the idea that the Church (founded in 1830), the priesthood (restored in multiple stages from 1829 to 1843), and the political kingdom of God (established in 1844) are all separate organizations is historically valid. I also think they were very obviously blended in function later in Brigham Young's administration. Not that they lost their separate nature, but that Brigham made them function as one. And the fundamentalists often claim authority from one of the three functioning separately.
Stargazer Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 7 hours ago, JLHPROF said: I've studied into fundamentalist history and teachings a bit as part of my focus on the doctrines and history of the early days of the Church. In my opinion the idea that the Church (founded in 1830), the priesthood (restored in multiple stages from 1829 to 1843), and the political kingdom of God (established in 1844) are all separate organizations is historically valid. I also think they were very obviously blended in function later in Brigham Young's administration. Not that they lost their separate nature, but that Brigham made them function as one. And the fundamentalists often claim authority from one of the three functioning separately. My understanding of the matter is that the Priesthood (not meaning the men comprising it, but the Priesthood itself, led by those who have been called to preside in it) created the Church as its auxiliary in accomplishing its goals, which are the Lord's goals: to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. The Kingdom of God exists in shadow form now, but will be fully active during the Millennium. 2
JLHPROF Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 6 hours ago, Stargazer said: My understanding of the matter is that the Priesthood (not meaning the men comprising it, but the Priesthood itself, led by those who have been called to preside in it) created the Church as its auxiliary in accomplishing its goals, which are the Lord's goals: to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. The Kingdom of God exists in shadow form now, but will be fully active during the Millennium. I think identifying the Church as an auxiliary under the organizations of the priesthood is a fascinating notion. I think many members might consider the reverse as true.
Stargazer Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 7 hours ago, JLHPROF said: I think identifying the Church as an auxiliary under the organizations of the priesthood is a fascinating notion. I think many members might consider the reverse as true. Well, they'd be wrong! Which came first, the Church or the priesthood? Answer: the priesthood, both in eternity and in the current dispensation. It was the priesthood that organized the church. The creation is not greater than the creator. Quod erat demonstrandum. 1
JLHPROF Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Stargazer said: Well, they'd be wrong! Which came first, the Church or the priesthood? Answer: the priesthood, both in eternity and in the current dispensation. It was the priesthood that organized the church. The creation is not greater than the creator. Quod erat demonstrandum. Agreed. Try suggesting to many members that priesthood can function independent of the Church organization and watch their reaction. I don't think it is understood by many. 1
bluebell Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 Hopefully Josh is still around. He brought a unique perspective to the board. 1
Jeanne Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 I keep looking for him to post as I was quite excited about learning more about his views and lifestyle. He is nice guy!! 1
Tacenda Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 12 hours ago, Jeanne said: I keep looking for him to post as I was quite excited about learning more about his views and lifestyle. He is nice guy!! Me too!
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