Telestial kingdom

[poptart]

What's it like?

[ksfisher]

16 minutes ago, poptart said:

What's it like?

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/76?lang=eng

D&C 76

81 And again, we saw the glory of the telestial, which glory is that of the lesser, even as the glory of the stars differs from that of the glory of the moon in the firmament.

82 These are they who received not the gospel of Christ, neither the testimony of Jesus.

83 These are they who deny not the Holy Spirit.

84 These are they who are thrust down to hell.

85 These are they who shall not be redeemed from the devil until the last resurrection, until the Lord, even Christ the Lamb, shall have finished his work.

86 These are they who receive not of his fulness in the eternal world, but of the Holy Spirit through the ministration of the terrestrial;

87 And the terrestrial through the ministration of the celestial.

88 And also the telestial receive it of the administering of angels who are appointed to minister for them, or who are appointed to be ministering spirits for them; for they shall be heirs of salvation.

89 And thus we saw, in the heavenly vision, the glory of the telestial, which surpasses all understanding;

90 And no man knows it except him to whom God has revealed it.

91 And thus we saw the glory of the terrestrial which excels in all things the glory of the telestial, even in glory, and in power, and in might, and in dominion.

92 And thus we saw the glory of the celestial, which excels in all things—where God, even the Father, reigns upon his throne forever and ever;

93 Before whose throne all things bow in humble reverence, and give him glory forever and ever.

94 They who dwell in his presence are the church of the Firstborn; and they see as they are seen, and know as they are known, having received of his fulness and of his grace;

95 And he makes them equal in power, and in might, and in dominion.

96 And the glory of the celestial is one, even as the glory of the sun is one.

97 And the glory of the terrestrial is one, even as the glory of the moon is one.

98 And the glory of the telestial is one, even as the glory of the stars is one; for as one star differs from another star in glory, even so differs one from another in glory in the telestial world;

99 For these are they who are of Paul, and of Apollos, and of Cephas.

100 These are they who say they are some of one and some of another—some of Christ and some of John, and some of Moses, and some of Elias, and some of Esaias, and some of Isaiah, and some of Enoch;

101 But received not the gospel, neither the testimony of Jesus, neither the prophets, neither the everlasting covenant.

102 Last of all, these all are they who will not be gathered with the saints, to be caught up unto the church of the Firstborn, and received into the cloud.

103 These are they who are liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie.

104 These are they who suffer the wrath of God on earth.

105 These are they who suffer the vengeance of eternal fire.

106 These are they who are cast down to hell and suffer the wrath of Almighty God, until the fulness of times, when Christ shall have subdued all enemies under his feet, and shall have perfected his work;

107 When he shall deliver up the kingdom, and present it unto the Father, spotless, saying: I have overcome and have trodden the wine-press alone, even the wine-press of the fierceness of the wrath of Almighty God.

108 Then shall he be crowned with the crown of his glory, to sit on the throne of his power to reign forever and ever.

109 But behold, and lo, we saw the glory and the inhabitants of the telestial world, that they were as innumerable as the stars in the firmament of heaven, or as the sand upon the seashore;

110 And heard the voice of the Lord saying: These all shall bow the knee, and every tongue shall confess to him who sits upon the throne forever and ever;

111 For they shall be judged according to their works, and every man shall receive according to his own works, his own dominion, in the mansions which are prepared;

112 And they shall be servants of the Most High; but where God and Christ dwell they cannot come, worlds without end.

113 This is the end of the vision which we saw, which we were commanded to write while we were yet in the Spirit.

[JLHPROF]

This life is a Telestial existence.

 

[poptart]

4 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

This life is a Telestial existence.

 

So, basically it's the same as this life?

[ksfisher]

1 minute ago, poptart said:

So, basically it's the same as this life?

Except it never ends.  Basically. 

[The Nehor]

2 minutes ago, poptart said:

So, basically it's the same as this life?

No, it is better then this life.

[poptart]

4 minutes ago, ksfisher said:

Except it never ends.  Basically. 

So it would be the same?  People would still be doing the same awful stuff they do here?  

3 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

No, it is better then this life.

How?

[JAHS]

1 minute ago, ksfisher said:

3 minutes ago, poptart said:

So, basically it's the same as this life?

Except it never ends.  Basically. 

But as bad as the company and conditions sound, as mentioned in the above scriptures, it is still a level of heaven where they receive the Holy Spirit through the ministration of the terrestrial;(verse 86)
It's the best fit for those people who have become the kind of people they were while on earth. 

 

[The Nehor]

2 minutes ago, poptart said:

So it would be the same?  People would still be doing the same awful stuff they do here?  

How?

No, they will not be able to do what they do here. The Telestial is the fate of the wicked after enduring hell's purification. They come out better on the other end.

[Gray]

9 minutes ago, poptart said:

 

How?

In the Telestial Kingdom Netflix includes every TV show and movie ever made. 

[The Nehor]

4 minutes ago, Gray said:

In the Telestial Kingdom Netflix includes every TV show and movie ever made. 

And you get a free movie popcorn machine.

[JAHS]

4 minutes ago, Gray said:

In the Telestial Kingdom Netflix includes every TV show and movie ever made. 

And being interrupted by every commercial ever made. 

[ksfisher]

5 minutes ago, Gray said:

In the Telestial Kingdom Netflix includes every TV show and movie ever made. 

And you get to watch them over, and over, and over, and over again.  If an eternity of Knight Rider isn't enough to scare you into being good, I don't know what would.

 

[ksfisher]

Just now, ksfisher said:

And you get to watch them over, and over, and over, and over again.  If an eternity of Knight Rider isn't enough to scare you into being good, I don't know what would.

 

On second thought, the idea of back to back to back 10,000 year Dukes of Hazard marathons should be enough to motivate anyone to give up their evil ways.

[pogi]

1 hour ago, poptart said:

What's it like?

Weighing your options?  Whatever it is you are thinking of doing...it is not worth it!😀

[phaedrus ut]

I was a grown adult before I knew that the word Telestial didn't exist until D&C 76.  It looks Greek/Latinish like Celestial and Terrestrial so I always assumed it was a real word.  It wasn't until I had a student ask why Celestial is the sun when it means the stars and Terrestrial is the stars when it means the earth and why Telestial was made up.  Needless to say i was a bit embarrassed of my naiveté.

Phaedrus 

 

[pogi]

4 minutes ago, phaedrus ut said:

It wasn't until I had a student ask why Celestial is the sun when it means the stars

The sun is a celestial body, as is the moon and the stars.  It is in reference to anything extraterrestrial. 

7 minutes ago, phaedrus ut said:

and Terrestrial is the stars when it means the earth

The terrestrial is compared to the glory of the moon not the stars...that is the telestial.

Of course these kingdoms are not really the sun, moon, and stars.  It is metaphorical to describe their differences in glory from a terrestrial perspective. 

[Tacenda]

We've been told from the church leaders, at least the current administration, that no one knows for sure.

[poptart]

47 minutes ago, ksfisher said:

On second thought, the idea of back to back to back 10,000 year Dukes of Hazard marathons should be enough to motivate anyone to give up their evil ways.

Hey, the general Lee was a sweet ride

[poptart]

34 minutes ago, pogi said:

Weighing your options?  Whatever it is you are thinking of doing...it is not worth it!😀

I'm unstable and considering life after death,  it beats hell

[pogi]

24 minutes ago, poptart said:

I'm unstable and considering life after death,  it beats hell

Hi poptart,  

It is sometimes difficult to decipher meaning and sarcasm in comments on discussion forums, so I am going to ask you plainly...are you considering suicide?  Or am I way off?

[poptart]

2 minutes ago, pogi said:

Hi poptart,  

It is sometimes difficult to decipher meaning and sarcasm in comments on discussion forums, so I am going to ask you plainly...are you considering suicide?  Or am I way off?

Nope, won't lie I've been unstable in the past and almost hospitalized.  Long story short in a new place and considering another ward.  Little nervous but it was an LDS friend who in the end who really helped me.  I'm trying to get on my feet and not end up a total mental shipwreck again, and well the mormon afterlife is really, well,  forgiving.

[JLHPROF]

1 hour ago, phaedrus ut said:

I was a grown adult before I knew that the word Telestial didn't exist until D&C 76.  It looks Greek/Latinish like Celestial and Terrestrial so I always assumed it was a real word.  It wasn't until I had a student ask why Celestial is the sun when it means the stars and Terrestrial is the stars when it means the earth and why Telestial was made up.  Needless to say i was a bit embarrassed of my naiveté.

Phaedrus

 

 

1 hour ago, pogi said:

The sun is a celestial body, as is the moon and the stars.  It is in reference to anything extraterrestrial.

The terrestrial is compared to the glory of the moon not the stars...that is the telestial.

Of course these kingdoms are not really the sun, moon, and stars.  It is metaphorical to describe their differences in glory from a terrestrial perspective.

This.

Celestial means relating to heaven or space.
Terrestrial means relating to earth (aka mortal).
The meaning of Telestial is unknown.

 

But given that 1. Heaven/Space and 2. Earth, then we could reason several options for the 3rd level meaning.
In fact, someone did - https://bycommonconsent.com/2010/01/27/the-etymology-of-telestial/
I like the idea of it meaning distant or the end.  Kind of fits.

The usage of Sun -> Moon -> Stars is for comparison of levels of light and has no connection to the meaning of the words.
 

[Stargazer]

2 hours ago, poptart said:

So, basically it's the same as this life?

NO.

It is not the same as this life.  Even the Telestial is a kingdom of glory, which this life most assuredly is not.

There's a lot more to be said about this, but it isn't like here.  Not at all.

[Stargazer]

2 hours ago, Gray said:

In the Telestial Kingdom Netflix includes every TV show and movie ever made. 

Thanks for making me laugh!