spectradatumresearch Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 Good evening, Mormon Dialogue While doing research for some recent events related to the massive leaking of documentation by the FBI Vault, the Panama Papers, the DC Leaks, Wikileaks and other 'hackers,' we stumbled upon a world knew little about and had some questions that only your community could really answer, if it so desired. We intend no disrespect and we have read the rules, so I will do my best. Bear with me. Our line of inquiry centers around the Kimball family. It is our understanding that Heber C Kimball made great progress in Britain, for the LDS faith, but perished young. Are there any "conspiracy theories" regarding his death? In regards to Spencer W Kimball, what was his education? What was his main contribution to your faith? In the time of Spencer W. Kimball's presidency, events occurred that were described in something called the Pace Memorandum. Is there anywhere an average person could find a description of how that issue was resolved? Or do you, yourselves, know? Spencer W Kimball's son, by the same name, traveled the world establishing temple sites, according to recollection. At one point, he was in South America and met with the rulers of Uruguay and Argentina. Shortly thereafter, a conflict occurred where resolution was possibly obtained when Argentina sold mining rights to American companies and oil drilling rights to an Israeli company for pennies on the dollar. Is there any credence to a suggestion that Mr. Kimball was an intelligence asset? More recently, the grandson of Spencer Kimball, of the same name, created Cockroach Labs and moved onto Google. Ms. Gretchen Kimball seems to be tied to the Kimball Foundations more than Mr. Kimball and their enterprises seem numerous. Recently, a leaked cable described ten American citizens being arrested in Haiti, with Laura Silsby among them, for child trafficking. Is Ms. Silsby LDS? The cable claims that they were on their way to establish a new orphanage in the Dominican Republic, where the Kimball Foundation was just finishing construction of the "DREAM Center." Is it true that there is a resort close to that orphanage also owned by the Kimball entitities? Do they participate with any mining operations? Mr. Kimball, the most recent, the Foundation and their associates all gave significantly more money to the Hillary Clinton campaign than they did to the Romney campaign. I found that to be surprising. Does the LDS church 'power players' usually support a Democratic candidate? Thank you for reading and for any replies.
bluebell Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 I'm confused about why "only our community" can answer these questions? These questions don't seem to have much to do with our usual topics.
spectradatumresearch Posted November 18, 2016 Author Posted November 18, 2016 I apologize. I don't know what your usual topics are. We felt that the LDS community would have a better perspective on what is going on with their leadership than outsiders who don't understand the culture. This seems to be the best place on the Internet for that. Please point us in the right direction, if we have it wrong.
Glenn101 Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 6 minutes ago, spectradatumresearch said: I apologize. I don't know what your usual topics are. We felt that the LDS community would have a better perspective on what is going on with their leadership than outsiders who don't understand the culture. This seems to be the best place on the Internet for that. Please point us in the right direction, if we have it wrong. There are very few members in the know about activities of the descendants of former leaders. You can learn as much as many know just by using Google, which, for instance, would take you to links where you can find that Heber C. Kimball was 67 years old when he died. Not exactly young. I do not care to comment further, as I have no information on any of the subjects. Glenn 1
Tacenda Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 2 hours ago, spectradatumresearch said: Good evening, Mormon Dialogue While doing research for some recent events related to the massive leaking of documentation by the FBI Vault, the Panama Papers, the DC Leaks, Wikileaks and other 'hackers,' we stumbled upon a world knew little about and had some questions that only your community could really answer, if it so desired. We intend no disrespect and we have read the rules, so I will do my best. Bear with me. Our line of inquiry centers around the Kimball family. It is our understanding that Heber C Kimball made great progress in Britain, for the LDS faith, but perished young. Are there any "conspiracy theories" regarding his death? In regards to Spencer W Kimball, what was his education? What was his main contribution to your faith? In the time of Spencer W. Kimball's presidency, events occurred that were described in something called the Pace Memorandum. Is there anywhere an average person could find a description of how that issue was resolved? Or do you, yourselves, know? Spencer W Kimball's son, by the same name, traveled the world establishing temple sites, according to recollection. At one point, he was in South America and met with the rulers of Uruguay and Argentina. Shortly thereafter, a conflict occurred where resolution was possibly obtained when Argentina sold mining rights to American companies and oil drilling rights to an Israeli company for pennies on the dollar. Is there any credence to a suggestion that Mr. Kimball was an intelligence asset? More recently, the grandson of Spencer Kimball, of the same name, created Cockroach Labs and moved onto Google. Ms. Gretchen Kimball seems to be tied to the Kimball Foundations more than Mr. Kimball and their enterprises seem numerous. Recently, a leaked cable described ten American citizens being arrested in Haiti, with Laura Silsby among them, for child trafficking. Is Ms. Silsby LDS? The cable claims that they were on their way to establish a new orphanage in the Dominican Republic, where the Kimball Foundation was just finishing construction of the "DREAM Center." Is it true that there is a resort close to that orphanage also owned by the Kimball entitities? Do they participate with any mining operations? Mr. Kimball, the most recent, the Foundation and their associates all gave significantly more money to the Hillary Clinton campaign than they did to the Romney campaign. I found that to be surprising. Does the LDS church 'power players' usually support a Democratic candidate? Thank you for reading and for any replies. To answer a few questions...Laura Silsby isn't LDS and the LDS church has favored the Republican party for as long as I've known them and I'm 56. Spencer W. Kimball was the president of the church. His job before that was in the banking field. Read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_W._Kimball This concerning your question about the Pace memorandum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pace_memorandum I'm sure you guys could have come up with these same sites and answers.
spectradatumresearch Posted November 18, 2016 Author Posted November 18, 2016 Google employees, like Mr. Kimball, have the benefit of being able to scrub the Internet of themselves. Most of the Kimball financial information, from recent memory are in the Panama Paper releases, which is barely a blip on the news radar, even though (or because) it ties Hillary Clinton and the Podestas to the Uranium One scandal through Sberbank and shell companies like Joule Limited.
Guest Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 15 minutes ago, spectradatumresearch said: Google employees, like Mr. Kimball, have the benefit of being able to scrub the Internet of themselves. Most of the Kimball financial information, from recent memory are in the Panama Paper releases, which is barely a blip on the news radar, even though (or because) it ties Hillary Clinton and the Podestas to the Uranium One scandal through Sberbank and shell companies like Joule Limited. So you are only attacking the name, but suggesting they scrub the Internet to keep anyone from finding out about their "so-called" misdeeds?
spectradatumresearch Posted November 18, 2016 Author Posted November 18, 2016 I apologize for the perception I may have projeced. I promise that I am not attacking anyone. The Pace Memorandum exists, but I can find no mention of a resolution. It must have been a challenge for LDS leadership and I can't imagine LDS, at large, condone such a thing happening on their own turf. I can understand wanting to avoid the association, but someone must have implemented some type of solution. I just don't know what it is. 60 children were interviewed and were able to describe the inside of the temple, in SLC. My understanding is that it is impossible for children to know what the inside of the temple looks like, let alone the underground portion. Most adult LDS don't coudn't give a reliable description. I think it is a perfectly reasonable inquiry that was initiated by LDS general authorities. I hope you would want to know the resolution, too. Spencer W Kimball's son was most certainly in South America during the destabilization of two countries and all governments involved made some strong accusations against the church, with Argentininan even killing missionaries and going to other countries to harass them. Another challenge for members and missionaries I am certain were not participating in the intelligence apparatus. I doubt the missionaries even cared about the Frente Amplio movement, at the time, in Uruguay, but they suffered, nonetheless. Spencer Kimball works for Google and DuckDuckGo reveals far more information about him than Google, meaning that someone has taken the steps to 'scrub' him. I would, too, if I worked at Google, misdeeds, or not. My line of inquiry isn't an attack. If you want to know what I am getting at, it is this: Ultimately, I am curious as to how certain entities have infiltrated the church and used it to their advantage because it has happened to other religions. For example, the Tavistock Group engineered a cult, known as the Process Church of the Final Judgment, specifically designed to infiltrate other cults. Scientology was their first target and it created chaos in their leadership. When they were ousted, they went to Mexico to infiltrate the Santa Muerta cults, then went to the Carribean to interact with the Voodoo cults before going to New Orleans. But, the Process Church wasn't the only group that Tavistock engineered. They engineered religious groups, environmental groups, initiatives, foundations, schools, mental health clinics, new age groups and others. The story we are working on is about Hillary Clinton, who is in daily communication with Tavistock leadership, as is evidenced by her emails. It seems that Hillary Clinton has wreaked havoc on some well intentioned organizations, like the Amber Alert apparatus. Her own circle, essentially, infiltrated the State Department, set up her own server to make side deals and operated as a parallel, corrupt, state department while doing very little of what her job was supposed to be. Most of that is substantiated by the FBI Vault FOIA releases, but further substantiated by the leaked emails and financial documents from the DNC, the Panama Papers, the Podesta emails from Wikileaks along with items the New York Times has been reporting on for years. Can you imagine the damage and danger that such an organization of people can do to each of us, personally? The implications are staggering and the evidence is coming together for a lot of people in the "pizzagate" circle because of the attention the controversial election generated. But, this information has been out there for years. One relationship that is rarely explored, in media, is the interaction between the political machine and the church. If we can successfully answer these questions, then we can prevent our own lives from being infiltrated by people performing 'secret combinations,' in your own parlance. To those culturally on the opposite spectrum of the LDS church, which I have immense respect for (particularly on an individual basis with LDS I know, personally), it is an equally sinister agenda they are up against. Even those who don't believe in evil will call that type of interaction 'evil.' So, I understand if there are sensitive subjects. But, I promise I am not attacking you. There is a political machine that revealed itself in the course of this election that we have not had a chance to see or fully understand. But, the information age has granted us the insight to be able to corroborate the terrible things in this world that the news tells us does not exist, and yet your own authorities, and the truth tellers of the world have been warning us about since the time of the First Temple. If the pizzagate people are to be believed, then this really does go that deep and that dark and the world has never needed more light. If they are wrong, we still have an opportunity to do the right thing by exposing the unseen world of "social engineering" under the guise of the greater good. I hope that clears things up. Forgive me if I haven't quite adapted to the culture of your online community.
Robert F. Smith Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: To answer a few questions...Laura Silsby isn't LDS and the LDS church has favored the Republican party for as long as I've known them and I'm 56. The LDS Church does not favor any particular political party here in the USA, nor in any other country. Important members of both the Council of the Twelve and of the First Presidency have been Democrats and Republicans, but the Church is neutral. 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: Spencer W. Kimball was the president of the church. His job before that was in the banking field. Read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_W._Kimball . ................................................................. A good beginning source is Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Spencer W. Kimball (LDS Church, 2006), online at https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-spencer-w-kimball?lang=eng . Spencer was raised on a simple farm in Thatcher, Arizona, and he started school at age 7. His family was poor. His first job outside of the farm was as a dairy hand in Globe, Ariz. After his mission in the Central USA, he went into banking, then life insurance, and real estate development. Like his father before him, he was a stake president. 2
spectradatumresearch Posted November 18, 2016 Author Posted November 18, 2016 Mr. Smith, that is a great resource. Where else do LDS go for resources as comprehensive as that?
Popular Post Robert F. Smith Posted November 18, 2016 Popular Post Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) 30 minutes ago, spectradatumresearch said: ....................................................................... I hope that clears things up. Forgive me if I haven't quite adapted to the culture of your online community. In your wild-eyed rumormongering, you forgot to include the Illuminati and the Triads. You would do well here to ask well-crafted questions on a narrow range of specific issues, with citations and sources listed the way professional researchers do. The uncontrolled scatter-gun approach which you have used here will gain you nothing but opprobrium. A real discussion is possible, but only within reasonable parameters. Edited November 18, 2016 by Robert F. Smith 5
Rain Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 1 hour ago, spectradatumresearch said: 60 children were interviewed and were able to describe the inside of the temple, in SLC. My understanding is that it is impossible for children to know what the inside of the temple looks like, let alone the underground portion. Most adult LDS don't coudn't give a reliable description. Many children have been in the temple to be sealed to their parents. There are probably children in the Salt Lake temple every day it is open. Most of the temple is just for adults, but children do see enough to give descriptions. A lot of adults can give you descriptions of the underground portion. I've been in parts of it. Teenagers could even give you descriptions of the baptismal area. 2
Calm Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 Don't forget all the open houses and pictures of interiors out there. 3
The Nehor Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 5 hours ago, spectradatumresearch said: I apologize. I don't know what your usual topics are. We felt that the LDS community would have a better perspective on what is going on with their leadership than outsiders who don't understand the culture. This seems to be the best place on the Internet for that. Please point us in the right direction, if we have it wrong. By "we" I can only assume you mean the Illuminati.
The Nehor Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 3 hours ago, spectradatumresearch said: I apologize for the perception I may have projeced. I promise that I am not attacking anyone. The Pace Memorandum exists, but I can find no mention of a resolution. It must have been a challenge for LDS leadership and I can't imagine LDS, at large, condone such a thing happening on their own turf. I can understand wanting to avoid the association, but someone must have implemented some type of solution. I just don't know what it is. 60 children were interviewed and were able to describe the inside of the temple, in SLC. My understanding is that it is impossible for children to know what the inside of the temple looks like, let alone the underground portion. Most adult LDS don't coudn't give a reliable description. I think it is a perfectly reasonable inquiry that was initiated by LDS general authorities. I hope you would want to know the resolution, too. Spencer W Kimball's son was most certainly in South America during the destabilization of two countries and all governments involved made some strong accusations against the church, with Argentininan even killing missionaries and going to other countries to harass them. Another challenge for members and missionaries I am certain were not participating in the intelligence apparatus. I doubt the missionaries even cared about the Frente Amplio movement, at the time, in Uruguay, but they suffered, nonetheless. Spencer Kimball works for Google and DuckDuckGo reveals far more information about him than Google, meaning that someone has taken the steps to 'scrub' him. I would, too, if I worked at Google, misdeeds, or not. My line of inquiry isn't an attack. If you want to know what I am getting at, it is this: Ultimately, I am curious as to how certain entities have infiltrated the church and used it to their advantage because it has happened to other religions. For example, the Tavistock Group engineered a cult, known as the Process Church of the Final Judgment, specifically designed to infiltrate other cults. Scientology was their first target and it created chaos in their leadership. When they were ousted, they went to Mexico to infiltrate the Santa Muerta cults, then went to the Carribean to interact with the Voodoo cults before going to New Orleans. But, the Process Church wasn't the only group that Tavistock engineered. They engineered religious groups, environmental groups, initiatives, foundations, schools, mental health clinics, new age groups and others. The story we are working on is about Hillary Clinton, who is in daily communication with Tavistock leadership, as is evidenced by her emails. It seems that Hillary Clinton has wreaked havoc on some well intentioned organizations, like the Amber Alert apparatus. Her own circle, essentially, infiltrated the State Department, set up her own server to make side deals and operated as a parallel, corrupt, state department while doing very little of what her job was supposed to be. Most of that is substantiated by the FBI Vault FOIA releases, but further substantiated by the leaked emails and financial documents from the DNC, the Panama Papers, the Podesta emails from Wikileaks along with items the New York Times has been reporting on for years. Can you imagine the damage and danger that such an organization of people can do to each of us, personally? The implications are staggering and the evidence is coming together for a lot of people in the "pizzagate" circle because of the attention the controversial election generated. But, this information has been out there for years. One relationship that is rarely explored, in media, is the interaction between the political machine and the church. If we can successfully answer these questions, then we can prevent our own lives from being infiltrated by people performing 'secret combinations,' in your own parlance. To those culturally on the opposite spectrum of the LDS church, which I have immense respect for (particularly on an individual basis with LDS I know, personally), it is an equally sinister agenda they are up against. Even those who don't believe in evil will call that type of interaction 'evil.' So, I understand if there are sensitive subjects. But, I promise I am not attacking you. There is a political machine that revealed itself in the course of this election that we have not had a chance to see or fully understand. But, the information age has granted us the insight to be able to corroborate the terrible things in this world that the news tells us does not exist, and yet your own authorities, and the truth tellers of the world have been warning us about since the time of the First Temple. If the pizzagate people are to be believed, then this really does go that deep and that dark and the world has never needed more light. If they are wrong, we still have an opportunity to do the right thing by exposing the unseen world of "social engineering" under the guise of the greater good. I hope that clears things up. Forgive me if I haven't quite adapted to the culture of your online community. Ohhhhh, never mind, you are a crazy person who speaks in the royal "we". Got it. Either that or a mediocre-effort troll. 1
Tacenda Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) 16 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: The LDS Church does not favor any particular political party here in the USA, nor in any other country. Important members of both the Council of the Twelve and of the First Presidency have been Democrats and Republicans, but the Church is neutral. A good beginning source is Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Spencer W. Kimball (LDS Church, 2006), online at https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-spencer-w-kimball?lang=eng . Spencer was raised on a simple farm in Thatcher, Arizona, and he started school at age 7. His family was poor. His first job outside of the farm was as a dairy hand in Globe, Ariz. After his mission in the Central USA, he went into banking, then life insurance, and real estate development. Like his father before him, he was a stake president. I read Spencer W. Kimball's autobiography many years ago, and I swear it stated he was in the banking field when he was called to be the prophet. And I remember reading how he had boils from all the stress or worry over it. Sorry if I got that wrong. Also, how can you keep a straight face and say the church, or I should say, most in the Utah church vote republican, Mr. Trump sure got their vote, even after they showed disgust with him. They always vote republican, except maybe in the early church. ETA: I read his biography, not autobiography. Edited November 18, 2016 by Tacenda
bluebell Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 6 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Also, how can you keep a straight face and say the church, or I should say, most in the Utah church vote republican, Mr. Trump sure got their vote, even after they showed disgust with him. They always vote republican, except maybe in the early church. I think his point was that we have no idea how the leadership in the church votes, there are LDS democrats even in Utah, and 'the church' doesn't vote at all. So saying that 'the church' favors republican isn't accurate. 2
Tacenda Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) 13 minutes ago, bluebell said: I think his point was that we have no idea how the leadership in the church votes, there are LDS democrats even in Utah, and 'the church' doesn't vote at all. So saying that 'the church' favors republican isn't accurate. You're right. Sorry again, in my mind's eye, all I see is red! ETA: But then again, I found this: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/23/u-s-religious-groups-and-their-political-leanings/ Seven-in-ten U.S. Mormons identify with the Republican Party or say they lean toward the GOP, compared with 19% who identify as or lean Democratic – a difference of 51 percentage points. That’s the biggest gap in favor of the GOP out of 30 religious groups we analyzed, which include Protestant denominations, other religious groups and three categories of people who are religiously unaffiliated. Edited November 18, 2016 by Tacenda
bluebell Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 5 minutes ago, Tacenda said: You're right. Sorry again, in my mind's eye, all I see is red! ETA: But then again, I found this: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/23/u-s-religious-groups-and-their-political-leanings/ I don't think anyone is saying that most American LDS aren't republicans. Just that they aren't all republicans. 1
Tacenda Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 Just now, bluebell said: I don't think anyone is saying that most American LDS aren't republicans. Just that they aren't all republicans. Well, in my quote to the poster, I said favored. Maybe I should have worded it differently.
bluebell Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 5 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Well, in my quote to the poster, I said favored. Maybe I should have worded it differently. I think it was how you said 'the church favored' that he took issue with. Maybe he'll clarify.
Darren10 Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 46 minutes ago, Tacenda said: I read Spencer W. Kimball's autobiography many years ago, and I swear it stated he was in the banking field when he was called to be the prophet. And I remember reading how he had boils from all the stress or worry over it. Sorry if I got that wrong. Also, how can you keep a straight face and say the church, or I should say, most in the Utah church vote republican, Mr. Trump sure got their vote, even after they showed disgust with him. They always vote republican, except maybe in the early church. I may be wrong to connect the two but my understanding was that the leaders of the Church ardently opposed Abraham Lincoln in the campaigns due to the fact that he outlined his willingness to go to war to preserve the Union. The last thing the church leaders wanted was another war to deal with. But, after becoming President, Lincoln wisely skipped over the useless government appointed governors overseeing the Utah Territory and worked instead directly with Brigham Young, that gained him some respect within the Mormon community but it was after Lincoln blatantly said he'd leave the Mormons alone if they'd leave him alone that his favorability skyrocketed. Like the rest of the country, Mormons gathered in massive numbers to honor Lincoln's death. Perhaps that's the point where Mormons voted Republican.
Darren10 Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 45 minutes ago, bluebell said: I think his point was that we have no idea how the leadership in the church votes, there are LDS democrats even in Utah, and 'the church' doesn't vote at all. So saying that 'the church' favors republican isn't accurate. The "church community" *in Utah* certainly does. I keep in touch with a former missionary companion and a person we baptized via facebook. Both of them, Brazilian, definitely support a more socialistic form of government. Much more socialistic than my taste.
ksfisher Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 10 hours ago, Calm said: Don't forget all the open houses and pictures of interiors out there. ...as well as the scale model in the South Visitors Center.
rpn Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) Deleted Edited November 18, 2016 by rpn
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