ERayR Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 13 hours ago, spectradatumresearch said: I apologize for the perception I may have projeced. I promise that I am not attacking anyone. The Pace Memorandum exists, but I can find no mention of a resolution. It must have been a challenge for LDS leadership and I can't imagine LDS, at large, condone such a thing happening on their own turf. I can understand wanting to avoid the association, but someone must have implemented some type of solution. I just don't know what it is. 60 children were interviewed and were able to describe the inside of the temple, in SLC. My understanding is that it is impossible for children to know what the inside of the temple looks like, let alone the underground portion. Most adult LDS don't coudn't give a reliable description. I think it is a perfectly reasonable inquiry that was initiated by LDS general authorities. I hope you would want to know the resolution, too. Spencer W Kimball's son was most certainly in South America during the destabilization of two countries and all governments involved made some strong accusations against the church, with Argentininan even killing missionaries and going to other countries to harass them. Another challenge for members and missionaries I am certain were not participating in the intelligence apparatus. I doubt the missionaries even cared about the Frente Amplio movement, at the time, in Uruguay, but they suffered, nonetheless. Spencer Kimball works for Google and DuckDuckGo reveals far more information about him than Google, meaning that someone has taken the steps to 'scrub' him. I would, too, if I worked at Google, misdeeds, or not. My line of inquiry isn't an attack. If you want to know what I am getting at, it is this: Ultimately, I am curious as to how certain entities have infiltrated the church and used it to their advantage because it has happened to other religions. For example, the Tavistock Group engineered a cult, known as the Process Church of the Final Judgment, specifically designed to infiltrate other cults. Scientology was their first target and it created chaos in their leadership. When they were ousted, they went to Mexico to infiltrate the Santa Muerta cults, then went to the Carribean to interact with the Voodoo cults before going to New Orleans. But, the Process Church wasn't the only group that Tavistock engineered. They engineered religious groups, environmental groups, initiatives, foundations, schools, mental health clinics, new age groups and others. The story we are working on is about Hillary Clinton, who is in daily communication with Tavistock leadership, as is evidenced by her emails. It seems that Hillary Clinton has wreaked havoc on some well intentioned organizations, like the Amber Alert apparatus. Her own circle, essentially, infiltrated the State Department, set up her own server to make side deals and operated as a parallel, corrupt, state department while doing very little of what her job was supposed to be. Most of that is substantiated by the FBI Vault FOIA releases, but further substantiated by the leaked emails and financial documents from the DNC, the Panama Papers, the Podesta emails from Wikileaks along with items the New York Times has been reporting on for years. Can you imagine the damage and danger that such an organization of people can do to each of us, personally? The implications are staggering and the evidence is coming together for a lot of people in the "pizzagate" circle because of the attention the controversial election generated. But, this information has been out there for years. One relationship that is rarely explored, in media, is the interaction between the political machine and the church. If we can successfully answer these questions, then we can prevent our own lives from being infiltrated by people performing 'secret combinations,' in your own parlance. To those culturally on the opposite spectrum of the LDS church, which I have immense respect for (particularly on an individual basis with LDS I know, personally), it is an equally sinister agenda they are up against. Even those who don't believe in evil will call that type of interaction 'evil.' So, I understand if there are sensitive subjects. But, I promise I am not attacking you. There is a political machine that revealed itself in the course of this election that we have not had a chance to see or fully understand. But, the information age has granted us the insight to be able to corroborate the terrible things in this world that the news tells us does not exist, and yet your own authorities, and the truth tellers of the world have been warning us about since the time of the First Temple. If the pizzagate people are to be believed, then this really does go that deep and that dark and the world has never needed more light. If they are wrong, we still have an opportunity to do the right thing by exposing the unseen world of "social engineering" under the guise of the greater good. I hope that clears things up. Forgive me if I haven't quite adapted to the culture of your online community. Sounds like a troll to me. 1
mapman Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) 14 hours ago, spectradatumresearch said: It must have been a challenge for LDS leadership and I can't imagine LDS, at large, condone such a thing happening on their own turf. I can understand wanting to avoid the association, but someone must have implemented some type of solution. I just don't know what it is. 60 children were interviewed and were able to describe the inside of the temple, in SLC. My understanding is that it is impossible for children to know what the inside of the temple looks like, let alone the underground portion. Most adult LDS don't coudn't give a reliable description. I think it is a perfectly reasonable inquiry that was initiated by LDS general authorities. I hope you would want to know the resolution, too. You can see the Salt Lake Temple architectural plans here if you want to see how it is laid out: https://eadview.lds.org/findingaid/000153307/. You can look through lds.org, there are various different Ensign articles that have photos of the interior. Or here's photos of a model of the interior: http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/scaled-model-provides-salt-lake-temple-open-house-experience. It's not exactly a secret. Edited November 18, 2016 by mapman 1
spectradatumresearch Posted November 19, 2016 Author Posted November 19, 2016 To call me "crazy," isn't really fair. I am just referring to allegations that the FBI and your own church general authorities expressed in the past. I will flesh out some of the information, for you, so forgive me if it is a bit tedious. But for anyone who thinks some of these allegations might be "crazy," they come from authorities in what are generally trustworthy sources of information. Obviously, there can always be spin, but it is up to the public to be discerning. Recently, the FBI released a number of Freedom of Information Act documentation requests. Of note, an investigating agent referred to the 7th Floor Group that Hillary worked for as 'Shadow Government.' In James Comey's original letter regarding Hillary's email server, he stated that, while classified information was mishandled, there was no prosecutor who was going to prosecute. Later, the FBI released the details of the Clintons being investigated back in 2001, where the same friends in the Department of Justice refused to prosecute. Peter Kadzik was put in charge of the email investigation most recently, but Eric Holder was involved back then, as well, and Loretta Lynch has proven to be in the pocket of the Clintons. That is the backdrop of what a large number of people are investigating, because human trafficking managed to become tied into all of this. https://vault.fbi.gov/ FBI Vault Twitter: https://twitter.com/FBIRecordsVault?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/17/fbi-releases-100-new-pages-on-clinton-email-probe.html http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/01/fbi-releases-clinton-foundation-investigation-records/ Monica Petersen recently died in Haiti while investigating human trafficking. A suicide note appeared that was not her hand writing. She had future plans with friends. She was making progress in her investigation. https://sli.mg/xqJmUo A few years ago diplomatic cable mentions ten Americans from Idaho arrested for trafficking children. They claim they are headed to the Dominican Republic to establish an orphanage. They have 33 children with them. https://www.wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/3765 It is referred to as the New Life Children's Refuge case. The charity claimed to be in the process of acquiring land to build an orphanage as well as a church and school in Magante on the Northern coast of the Dominican Republic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Life_Children's_Refuge_case The only orphanage being established at that time was the DREAM Center. It is in the same place the arrested traffickers describe. https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+DREAM+Center/@19.7444521,-70.4877042,12z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x8eae1d764a8d6141:0x7cd9296175c3c5b!8m2!3d19.7444471!4d-70.4176664 When you look at the donors for the DREAM Center, you see immediately the founders were also donors to Hillary Clinton. The first thing we noticed was Michel Zaleski gave money to Hillary and it wasn't a normal transaction.https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/21434 Quote Do you see Michel Zaleski's 20k anywhere? I'm nervous about that one. Spencer Kimball Foundation also funded the construction.https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56e068dc2eeb814053c52d43/t/573bb9cf8259b51109b5744a/1463531983671/donorlist0910.pdf Spencer Kimball's sister Kathryn Kimball is married to Peter Mattis, who donated to Hillary Clinton.https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Mattis The Kimballs also own Casa Kimball, not too far away. https://sli.mg/5JO0FI http://www.casakimball.com/ At this point, it is only logical to run the criminal record of every person we find along this web of human trafficking and check court documents. So, a lot of that work is being done. There are plenty of obvious pedophiles that the news has reported on that hang out with the Clintons. Jeffrey Epstein, Dennis Hastert, Kevin Reynolds, Rachel Chandler seems to still be in on the game, according to her social media. Then there is the Podesta, who seem to have been in Portugal for the disappearance of Madelleine McCann, purportedly staying 1/3 of a mile away at Clement Freud's residence. https://sli.mg/Chk4Af (NSFW, Disturbing) The dark and twisted symbologies the Podestas love traces through finances, social media, and email communications to Comet Ping Pong Pizza, whose owner is dating David Brock, who was recently blackmailed to the tune of $850,000. If you look up Mr. James Alefantis' legal troubles, he seems to always be wrapped up in litigation, including with a cleaning crew. His social media features underground construction and child sized coffins. I won't post those images here, they are far worse that what the Podestas offer. But if you wish to find them, jimmycomet had all of that on his instagram. We've gotten a bit further than all of that, in our research, but that was the starting point when we did the logical search of donors of Hillary Clinton along this web of traffickers and miners. If you are unaware of the mining connection to trafficking there are some interesting articles to be found. "The Nexus of Gold Mining and Illegal Human Trafficking" certainly reminded us that Hillary's brother was put on the board of a gold mining company in Haiti. http://www.verite.org/research/goldmininglatinamerica http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/05/gold-mine-hillary-clintons-brother-granted-super-rare-mining-permit-from-haiti-after-state-dept-sent-country-billions/ A simple google search of Spencer Kimball and child abuse churns out two issues; the Navajo children being forced into foster care and the accusations of satanic ritual abuse by 60 children, resulting in the production of the Pace Memorandum. The next logical search was Spencer Kimball and mining, which yields some information about the destablization of Uruguay and Argentina just before the Faulklands incident, where US companies obtained mining rights and an Israeli company obtained oil drilling rights. As a result, many accusations were made and actions taken by foreign governments against LDS for being spies. These accusations of LDS being very involved in the intelligence agencies has been talked about for a very long time. NSA Data Farm in Utah http://www.npr.org/2013/06/10/190160772/amid-data-controversy-nsa-builds-its-biggest-data-farm CIA Recruiting BYU students http://universe.byu.edu/2000/03/14/central-intelligence-agency-recruiting-byu-students/ Russia Accuses LDS of being spies http://www.vice.com/read/is-the-mormon-church-in-russia-an-fbi-front CIA, NSA FBI Actively recruit LDS http://www.deseretnews.com/article/600128849/BYU-is-major-US-center-for-language-study.html Why Mormons Make Great FBI Recruits http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/why-mormons-make-great-fbi-recruits The FBI, the CIA and the NSA have all specialized in infiltrating different types of communities; the KKK, the Black Panthers, hacker groups like Lulzsec, environmentalist groups, foreign governments. Is it really implausible to suggest they have also attempted to infiltrate the LDS church? But, even worse, is there exist private companies that do these types of infiltrations under the guise of "social engineering" and "global forecast." Those are just polite terms for having the ability to have inside information in as many places as possible. They have polite language, too, when they instruct the media in tactics they call "othering" where, in order to manipulate public perception to generate hatred and anger between different groups, they exploit what is called "implicit bias," and we all have it to exploit. http://investmentwatchblog.com/dc-leaks-open-society-foundations-documents-looks-like-obama-has-been-running-every-play-in-their-playbook-he-is-merely-one-of-their-actors-performing-a-script-written-by-soros/ So, you can call me and my fellow researchers "troll," but the reason Donald Trump won is because the rest of the world is onto something really big and they see how corrupt things have really become the world over. I see that this is a close to the chest community. And, maybe in this information age it is only natural to be under a siege mentality. Especially with the forces at work upon your group, which are perhaps more than many other groups. Still, I think everyone can agree that human trafficking is wrong. The displacement of children is wrong. The abuse of children is wrong and we should be turning over every stone to get some answers because these networks can only exist with the permission of government employees and politicians and, sadly, a very large market demand. I think everyone can agree that people deserve to make informed decisions about their own destiny and not be spoonfed agendas by the media, but rather get the information we need to make our lives and the lives of our community better. I think it is clear between the Dutroux Affair and the Franklin Scandal, that large cover ups do occur when politicians get involved in sex with children. If nothing else, the recent leaks have all revealed a very large blackmail and bribery scheme that keeps the greedy and corrupt in power. I think, if anyone has a chance to expose these people, it is the very same LDS they are recruiting. A lot of people have the chance to do the right thing. Good night.
Raingirl Posted November 19, 2016 Posted November 19, 2016 39 minutes ago, spectradatumresearch said: To call me "crazy," isn't really fair. Truth isn't always fair.
The Nehor Posted November 19, 2016 Posted November 19, 2016 1 hour ago, spectradatumresearch said: To call me "crazy," isn't really fair. I was shooting more for accuracy rather then fairness. 2
Tacenda Posted November 19, 2016 Posted November 19, 2016 2 hours ago, spectradatumresearch said: To call me "crazy," isn't really fair. I am just referring to allegations that the FBI and your own church general authorities expressed in the past. I will flesh out some of the information, for you, so forgive me if it is a bit tedious. But for anyone who thinks some of these allegations might be "crazy," they come from authorities in what are generally trustworthy sources of information. Obviously, there can always be spin, but it is up to the public to be discerning. Recently, the FBI released a number of Freedom of Information Act documentation requests. Of note, an investigating agent referred to the 7th Floor Group that Hillary worked for as 'Shadow Government.' In James Comey's original letter regarding Hillary's email server, he stated that, while classified information was mishandled, there was no prosecutor who was going to prosecute. Later, the FBI released the details of the Clintons being investigated back in 2001, where the same friends in the Department of Justice refused to prosecute. Peter Kadzik was put in charge of the email investigation most recently, but Eric Holder was involved back then, as well, and Loretta Lynch has proven to be in the pocket of the Clintons. That is the backdrop of what a large number of people are investigating, because human trafficking managed to become tied into all of this. https://vault.fbi.gov/ FBI Vault Twitter: https://twitter.com/FBIRecordsVault?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/17/fbi-releases-100-new-pages-on-clinton-email-probe.html http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/01/fbi-releases-clinton-foundation-investigation-records/ Monica Petersen recently died in Haiti while investigating human trafficking. A suicide note appeared that was not her hand writing. She had future plans with friends. She was making progress in her investigation. https://sli.mg/xqJmUo A few years ago diplomatic cable mentions ten Americans from Idaho arrested for trafficking children. They claim they are headed to the Dominican Republic to establish an orphanage. They have 33 children with them. https://www.wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/3765 It is referred to as the New Life Children's Refuge case. The charity claimed to be in the process of acquiring land to build an orphanage as well as a church and school in Magante on the Northern coast of the Dominican Republic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Life_Children's_Refuge_case The only orphanage being established at that time was the DREAM Center. It is in the same place the arrested traffickers describe. https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+DREAM+Center/@19.7444521,-70.4877042,12z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x8eae1d764a8d6141:0x7cd9296175c3c5b!8m2!3d19.7444471!4d-70.4176664 When you look at the donors for the DREAM Center, you see immediately the founders were also donors to Hillary Clinton. The first thing we noticed was Michel Zaleski gave money to Hillary and it wasn't a normal transaction.https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/21434 Spencer Kimball Foundation also funded the construction.https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56e068dc2eeb814053c52d43/t/573bb9cf8259b51109b5744a/1463531983671/donorlist0910.pdf Spencer Kimball's sister Kathryn Kimball is married to Peter Mattis, who donated to Hillary Clinton.https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Mattis The Kimballs also own Casa Kimball, not too far away. https://sli.mg/5JO0FI http://www.casakimball.com/ At this point, it is only logical to run the criminal record of every person we find along this web of human trafficking and check court documents. So, a lot of that work is being done. There are plenty of obvious pedophiles that the news has reported on that hang out with the Clintons. Jeffrey Epstein, Dennis Hastert, Kevin Reynolds, Rachel Chandler seems to still be in on the game, according to her social media. Then there is the Podesta, who seem to have been in Portugal for the disappearance of Madelleine McCann, purportedly staying 1/3 of a mile away at Clement Freud's residence. https://sli.mg/Chk4Af (NSFW, Disturbing) The dark and twisted symbologies the Podestas love traces through finances, social media, and email communications to Comet Ping Pong Pizza, whose owner is dating David Brock, who was recently blackmailed to the tune of $850,000. If you look up Mr. James Alefantis' legal troubles, he seems to always be wrapped up in litigation, including with a cleaning crew. His social media features underground construction and child sized coffins. I won't post those images here, they are far worse that what the Podestas offer. But if you wish to find them, jimmycomet had all of that on his instagram. We've gotten a bit further than all of that, in our research, but that was the starting point when we did the logical search of donors of Hillary Clinton along this web of traffickers and miners. If you are unaware of the mining connection to trafficking there are some interesting articles to be found. "The Nexus of Gold Mining and Illegal Human Trafficking" certainly reminded us that Hillary's brother was put on the board of a gold mining company in Haiti. http://www.verite.org/research/goldmininglatinamerica http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/05/gold-mine-hillary-clintons-brother-granted-super-rare-mining-permit-from-haiti-after-state-dept-sent-country-billions/ A simple google search of Spencer Kimball and child abuse churns out two issues; the Navajo children being forced into foster care and the accusations of satanic ritual abuse by 60 children, resulting in the production of the Pace Memorandum. The next logical search was Spencer Kimball and mining, which yields some information about the destablization of Uruguay and Argentina just before the Faulklands incident, where US companies obtained mining rights and an Israeli company obtained oil drilling rights. As a result, many accusations were made and actions taken by foreign governments against LDS for being spies. These accusations of LDS being very involved in the intelligence agencies has been talked about for a very long time. NSA Data Farm in Utah http://www.npr.org/2013/06/10/190160772/amid-data-controversy-nsa-builds-its-biggest-data-farm CIA Recruiting BYU students http://universe.byu.edu/2000/03/14/central-intelligence-agency-recruiting-byu-students/ Russia Accuses LDS of being spies http://www.vice.com/read/is-the-mormon-church-in-russia-an-fbi-front CIA, NSA FBI Actively recruit LDS http://www.deseretnews.com/article/600128849/BYU-is-major-US-center-for-language-study.html Why Mormons Make Great FBI Recruits http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/why-mormons-make-great-fbi-recruits The FBI, the CIA and the NSA have all specialized in infiltrating different types of communities; the KKK, the Black Panthers, hacker groups like Lulzsec, environmentalist groups, foreign governments. Is it really implausible to suggest they have also attempted to infiltrate the LDS church? But, even worse, is there exist private companies that do these types of infiltrations under the guise of "social engineering" and "global forecast." Those are just polite terms for having the ability to have inside information in as many places as possible. They have polite language, too, when they instruct the media in tactics they call "othering" where, in order to manipulate public perception to generate hatred and anger between different groups, they exploit what is called "implicit bias," and we all have it to exploit. http://investmentwatchblog.com/dc-leaks-open-society-foundations-documents-looks-like-obama-has-been-running-every-play-in-their-playbook-he-is-merely-one-of-their-actors-performing-a-script-written-by-soros/ So, you can call me and my fellow researchers "troll," but the reason Donald Trump won is because the rest of the world is onto something really big and they see how corrupt things have really become the world over. I see that this is a close to the chest community. And, maybe in this information age it is only natural to be under a siege mentality. Especially with the forces at work upon your group, which are perhaps more than many other groups. Still, I think everyone can agree that human trafficking is wrong. The displacement of children is wrong. The abuse of children is wrong and we should be turning over every stone to get some answers because these networks can only exist with the permission of government employees and politicians and, sadly, a very large market demand. I think everyone can agree that people deserve to make informed decisions about their own destiny and not be spoonfed agendas by the media, but rather get the information we need to make our lives and the lives of our community better. I think it is clear between the Dutroux Affair and the Franklin Scandal, that large cover ups do occur when politicians get involved in sex with children. If nothing else, the recent leaks have all revealed a very large blackmail and bribery scheme that keeps the greedy and corrupt in power. I think, if anyone has a chance to expose these people, it is the very same LDS they are recruiting. A lot of people have the chance to do the right thing. Good night. http://ourrescue.org/about#team Tim Ballard the Founder and CEO is LDS, so they can't all be that bad. I haven't read through all the links you shared yet and don't understand because of that I guess. But what exactly are you saying? In Layman's terms, I'm a little slow on the uptake.
Calm Posted November 19, 2016 Posted November 19, 2016 Spectra, you are violating board rules by posting controversial, and thus debatable, material in Social Hall as well as political material. Also one of the banned areas:" Sensational or tabloid topics about public or private figures" 1
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