filovirus Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 Question came up in Elders quorum. What is the purpose of Christ keeping the spear wound after he was resurrected? We didn't have an answer.
Duncan Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 Probably to show people that he was a phony 3 Nephi 11:15 And it came to pass that the multitude went forth, and thrust their hands into his side, and did feel the prints of the nails in his hands and in his feet; and this they did do, going forth one by one until they had all gone forth, and did see with their eyes and did feel with their hands, and did know of a surety and did bear record, that it was he, of whom it was written by the prophets, that should come. 1
rodheadlee Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 14 minutes ago, filovirus said: Question came up in Elders quorum. What is the purpose of Christ keeping the spear wound after he was resurrected? We didn't have an answer. D&C 45: 51 And then shall the Jews look upon me and say: What are these wounds in thine hands and in thy feet? 52 Then shall they know that I am the Lord; for I will say unto them: These wounds are the wounds with which I was wounded in the house of my friends. I am he who was lifted up. I am Jesus that was crucified. I am the Son of God. 53 And then shall they weep because of their iniquities; then shall they lament because they persecuted their king. Zechariah 13: 6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends. 3
smac97 Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 (edited) https://www.lds.org/manual/new-testament-student-manual/introduction-to-the-gospel-according-to-st-john/chapter-28-john-20-21?lang=eng Quote The Savior Retained the Wounds of the Crucifixion The scriptures suggest several possible reasons why Jesus Christ has retained the wounds of the Crucifixion in His hands, feet, and side: to substantiate His literal, physical Resurrection (see John 20:19–20, 24–28); to testify that He is the Messiah of whom the prophets wrote (see 3 Nephi 11:11–17); to identify Himself as the Messiah to the Jews in the last days (see Zechariah 12:9–10; D&C 45:51–52); and to assure the faithful of His power to save and bless (see D&C 6:34–37). Elder Jeffrey R. Holland of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles taught further about why the Savior retained the wounds of His Crucifixion: “Even though the power of the Resurrection could have—and undoubtedly one day will have—completely restored and made new the wounds from the crucifixion, nevertheless Christ chose to retain those wounds for a purpose, including for his appearance in the last days when he will show those marks and reveal that he was wounded ‘in the house of [his] friends’ [Zechariah 13:6; D&C 45:52]. “The wounds in his hands, feet, and side are signs that in mortality painful things happen even to the pure and the perfect, signs that tribulation isnot evidence that God does not love us. It is a significant and hopeful fact that it is the wounded Christ who comes to our rescue. He who bears the scars of sacrifice, the lesions of love, the emblems of humility andforgiveness is the Captain of our Soul. That evidence of pain in mortality is undoubtedly intended to give courage to others who are also hurt and wounded by life, perhaps even in the house of their friends” (Christ and the New Covenant [1997], 258–59). Edited April 25, 2016 by smac97 2
JAHS Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 (edited) Same reason he had the nail prints in his hands and feet. To show that it was really Him who had resurrected and not some ghost. He did also go and show the scars to the Nephites after His resurrection and will show them to us again when He returns. Also the Old testament prophesies that His bones will not be broken (Ex. 12:46; Num. 9:12; Ps. 34:20) Normally the leg bones of the crucified were broken to speed up the process of death on the cross; but that was not to be for Jesus and so a spear was used to spill his blood to make sure he had died, thus fulfilling those OT prophesies that His bones would not be broken. The side scar is a testament to the fulfilling of that prophecy. In speaking of his Second Coming, Christ said through Zechariah, "They shall look upon me whom they have pierced." (Zech. 12:10.) Edited April 24, 2016 by JAHS 1
carbon dioxide Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 I guess the number 7 has some meaning of completeness and perfection. The spear wound gives him 7 wounds. Two in the hands, two in the wrists, two in the feet, and one in the side. 3
everseeking Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 He showed them to Thomas because Thomas didn't believe until he saw his wounds. Jesus even had him touch them. (John 20:25-27) As to any other reason, I do not know. If I had to guess, I would say it's a reminder to us. Even though we can't see Jesus today, we can picture in our mind his wounds and be grateful for what He did on the cross for us.
JLHPROF Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 The answer to this question is as sign and witness of who he is. The better, (or rather bigger question), is will Christ retain the marks of his Saviorship into the eternities?
rodheadlee Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 3 hours ago, filovirus said: Question came up in Elders quorum. What is the purpose of Christ keeping the spear wound after he was resurrected? We didn't have an answer. Perhaps you meant only the spear wound and not the other wounds?
smac97 Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 49 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: The answer to this question is as sign and witness of who he is. The better, (or rather bigger question), is will Christ retain the marks of his Saviorship into the eternities? According to Elder Holland, see above, the answer is no. 1
Robert F. Smith Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 53 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: The answer to this question is as sign and witness of who he is. The better, (or rather bigger question), is will Christ retain the marks of his Saviorship into the eternities? Yes, and these are ritual scars which denote a special class of being -- a Savior God. I suspect that they will be retained for eternity.
Guest Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 5 hours ago, filovirus said: Question came up in Elders quorum. What is the purpose of Christ keeping the spear wound after he was resurrected? We didn't have an answer. He must retain all his wounds until he comes again. Then will his people ask "what are these wounds, and he will answer I received these in the house of my friends". Then all Israel will know he is the Christ.
filovirus Posted April 25, 2016 Author Posted April 25, 2016 2 hours ago, rodheadlee said: Perhaps you meant only the spear wound and not the other wounds? Yes, this 👆
The Nehor Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 To maintain his holeyness. ....I am so going to hell. 1
Atheist Mormon Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 5 hours ago, filovirus said: Question came up in Elders quorum. What is the purpose of Christ keeping the spear wound after he was resurrected? We didn't have an answer. First point to realize in this story is it was written at least 35 years later and not by eyewitness, it was embellished to the point we are reading now.
Duncan Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Atheist Mormon said: First point to realize in this story is it was written at least 35 years later and not by eyewitness, it was embellished to the point we are reading now. do you have evidence suggesting he didn't have a spear wound?
Gray Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 16 hours ago, Duncan said: Probably to show people that he was a phony 3 Nephi 11:15 And it came to pass that the multitude went forth, and thrust their hands into his side, and did feel the prints of the nails in his hands and in his feet; and this they did do, going forth one by one until they had all gone forth, and did see with their eyes and did feel with their hands, and did know of a surety and did bear record, that it was he, of whom it was written by the prophets, that should come. I assume you meant to say "not a phony"? 1
Atheist Mormon Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 Just now, Duncan said: do you have evidence suggesting he didn't have a spear wound? I don't even see a verifiable evidence He ever existed.
Gray Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Atheist Mormon said: I don't even see a verifiable evidence He ever existed. The existence of the historical Jesus is not seriously contested by scholars.
Robert F. Smith Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 49 minutes ago, Atheist Mormon said: I don't even see a verifiable evidence He ever existed. Professional historians (including atheists) generally agree that Jesus existed. The evidence is more than adequate. They disagree about the claims made about him: What did he in fact say or teach? 1
Duncan Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 55 minutes ago, Gray said: I assume you meant to say "not a phony"? good catch!
RevTestament Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 16 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: Yes, and these are ritual scars which denote a special class of being -- a Savior God. I suspect that they will be retained for eternity. Appropriate for a being named YHWH - "Behold the nail, behold the hand." So do you suspect like me that the Father also retains these marks?
Robert F. Smith Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 24 minutes ago, RevTestament said: Appropriate for a being named YHWH - "Behold the nail, behold the hand." So do you suspect like me that the Father also retains these marks? Yes, of course. He said that He only did what He saw the Father do. 1
RevTestament Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 22 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: Yes, of course. He said that He only did what He saw the Father do. You are the first I have met who seems to share this belief with me... Thanks for speaking up. I wonder if there are any more? It is nice to know I am not completely alone in my belief... Cheers
Scott Lloyd Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 18 hours ago, rodheadlee said: Perhaps you meant only the spear wound and not the other wounds? 16 hours ago, filovirus said: Yes, this 👆 Perhaps you could explain why you think that would have any purpose separate and apart from the wounds in His hands and feet.
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