BYU Rape Awareness Conference

[Yirgacheffe]

7 hours ago, USU78 said:

Arguentum ex silentio?  We are to assume rape in the absence of evidence to the contrary?  Really?

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Rape is the only violent crime in Utah that occurs at a higher rate than the rest of the nation. Studies show that one in eight Utah women will be raped and one in 50 Utah men will be raped in their lifetimes (1). According to Uniform Crime Reports, the rape rate in Utah has been consistently higher than the U.S. rate. In 2014, Utah's reported rape rate was significantly higher than the U.S. rate (67.7 and 51.9 per 100,000 females) (2). However, the majority of rapes (88.2%) are never reported to law enforcement, indicating that sexual violence in Utah is grossly underestimated (2,3).

Whole thing here:

http://www.health.utah.gov/vipp/topics/rape-sexual-assault/

More here on reporting:

http://www.justice.utah.gov/Documents/Research/SexOffender/RapeinUtah2007.pdf

[Calm]

On April 11, 28 Heisei at 10:02 PM, Yirgacheffe said:

Ignore, glitch

[Calm]

Back in the 80s, my boss' little girl was kidnapped by a predator from So. California and was found 6 weeks later down there (thankfully).  My boss was told by the CA police that predators often came to Utah because they saw it as prime hunting ground for innocents.

I have always wondered how accurate that was and if it had any impact on sexual crimes data.

[Yirgacheffe]

7 hours ago, Danzo said:

Are you saying BYU has a high incident of rape because of its lower reported rape?

I'm saying no one has a real idea of the number of rapes committed at BYU if women are afraid to report being raped.  Utah has the highest number of rapes in the country, the only violent crime where it "wins".  So if Utah is higher than the nation, I don't have a lot of faith that BYU is an exception in the state.

[Yirgacheffe]

6 hours ago, Buckeye said:

Could you be more offensive if you tried?

My daughters really don't think so.

[Yirgacheffe]

3 hours ago, strappinglad said:

Absolutely true, however, the presence of alcohol and or drugs removes inhibitions and allows for actions that would not normally take place.

Rape isn't normal and drunk guys don't turn into rapists.

[Danzo]

15 minutes ago, Yirgacheffe said:

I'm saying no one has a real idea of the number of rapes committed at BYU if women are afraid to report being raped.  Utah has the highest number of rapes in the country, the only violent crime where it "wins".  So if Utah is higher than the nation, I don't have a lot of faith that BYU is an exception in the state.

CFR that Utah has the highest number of rapes in the country

[Gray]

1 hour ago, Sleeper Cell said:

Out of curiosity, do you believe that there is anything within reason that a woman can do (or refrain from doing) that would reduce the probability of being raped?  

I would guess it helps to stick with a friend and not get separated. But I'm no expert. 

[Yirgacheffe]

30 minutes ago, Yirgacheffe said:

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Rape is the only violent crime in Utah that occurs at a higher rate than the rest of the nation. Studies show that one in eight Utah women will be raped and one in 50 Utah men will be raped in their lifetimes (1). According to Uniform Crime Reports, the rape rate in Utah has been consistently higher than the U.S. rate. In 2014, Utah's reported rape rate was significantly higher than the U.S. rate (67.7 and 51.9 per 100,000 females) (2). However, the majority of rapes (88.2%) are never reported to law enforcement, indi

5 minutes ago, Danzo said:

CFR that Utah has the highest number of rapes in the country

 

 

 

http://www.health.utah.gov/vipp/topics/rape-sexual-assault/

[Danzo]

3 minutes ago, Yirgacheffe said:

http://www.health.utah.gov/vipp/topics/rape-sexual-assault/

Please re read the article. It does not say Utah has the highest number of rapes in the country.  It doesn't even say the rate is the highest in the country. A short internet search would show that honor goes to the state of Alaska.

If we are going to have an honest dialog, we should start with honest numbers.

Edited April 12, 2016 by Danzo

[Okrahomer]

1 minute ago, Danzo said:

Please re read the article. It does not say Utah has the highest number of rapes in the country. 

In 2014, CNN placed Utah at 17th worst.

[Tacenda]

7 minutes ago, Danzo said:

Please re read the article. It does not say Utah has the highest number of rapes in the country.  It doesn't even say the rate is the highest in the country. A short internet search would show that honor goes to the state of Alaska.

If we are going to have an honest dialog, we should start with honest numbers.

It's there.

[Yirgacheffe]

11 minutes ago, Danzo said:

Please re read the article. It does not say Utah has the highest number of rapes in the country.  It doesn't even say the rate is the highest in the country. A short internet search would show that honor goes to the state of Alaska.

If we are going to have an honest dialog, we should start with honest numbers.

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Rape is the only violent crime in Utah that occurs at a higher rate than the rest of the nation.

That's what the article lead with, an article published by the state of Utah.

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According to Uniform Crime Reports, the rape rate in Utah has been consistently higher than the U.S. rate. In 2014, Utah's reported rape rate was significantly higher than the U.S. rate (67.7 and 51.9 per 100,000 females) (2). However, the majority of rapes (88.2%) are never reported to law enforcement, indicating that sexual violence in Utah is grossly underestimated (2,3).

More from the first paragraph.

Edited April 12, 2016 by Yirgacheffe

[JulieM]

11 minutes ago, Danzo said:

Please re read the article. It does not say Utah has the highest number of rapes in the country.  It doesn't even say the rate is the highest in the country. A short internet search would show that honor goes to the state of Alaska.

If we are going to have an honest dialog, we should start with honest numbers.

Unless I'm missing something, that seems to be what is stated (it's at least confusing in the way it's stated):

"One in three women will experience some form of sexual violence in their lifetime. Rape is the only violent crime in Utah that occurs at a higher rate than the rest of the nation. Studies show that one in eight Utah women will be raped and one in 50 Utah men will be raped in their lifetimes (1)."

 

[Calm]

Number of rapes does not equal rape rate.

In my view it isworse ifwe have the highest rape rate, but the CNN report states that Alaska's is 80 per 100,000 population, Utah was at 33 in 2012.

I am wondering how they define rape (if a person is raped three times in one night by one person, is that reported as one rape or three for example) and if it is different in either the studies or the states as it seems unlikely that Utah's rate rate would double in two years and Alaska drop 20 per 100,000.

Edited April 12, 2016 by Calm

[JulieM]

Here's another article and link (this is for "sexual violence" and not just specifically for rapes):

http://www.thespectrum.com/story/news/local/2015/04/17/utah-ranks-highest-sexual-violence-incidents/25967577/

[strappinglad]

41 minutes ago, Yirgacheffe said:

Rape isn't normal and drunk guys don't turn into rapists.

Really? That's what you got out of my statement ? I must be clearer.

[mtomm]

12 minutes ago, Calm said:

Number of rapes does not equal rape rate.

In my view it isworse ifwe have the highest rape rate, but the CNN report states that Alaska's is 80 per 100,000 population, Utah was at 33 in 2012.

I am wondering how they define rape (if a person is raped three times in one night by one person, is that reported as one rape or three for example) and if it is different in either the studies or the states as it seems unlikely that Utah's rate rate would double in two years and Alaska drop 20 per 100,000.

Like I pointed to in a link earlier it is complicated and every group studying it seems to compile data differently.  Also, the definition of rape has been recently update to reflect a broader definition. Won't go into details here.  And I wonder too if each act is counted separately... 

[Yirgacheffe]

12 minutes ago, Calm said:

Number of rapes does not equal rape rate.

In my view it isworse ifwe have the highest rape rate, but the CNN report states that Alaska's is 80 per 100,000 population, Utah was at 33 in 2012.

I am wondering how they define rape (if a person is raped three times in one night by one person, is that reported as one rape or three for example) and if it is different in either the studies or the states as it seems unlikely that Utah's rate rate would double in two years and Alaska drop 20 per 100,000.

Conflicting information is I suppose to be expected when people run all over picking and citing info from the net,  the Utah.gov site I quoted has a copyright of 2014 at the bottom for what ever that's worth.

[Calm]

16 minutes ago, mtomm said:

Like I pointed to in a link earlier it is complicated and every group studying it seems to compile data differently.  Also, the definition of rape has been recently update to reflect a broader definition. Won't go into details here.  And I wonder too if each act is counted separately... 

Yeah, I need to read your links tomorrow when I can focus better.

This is a topic that we so need accurate and detailed information on from a wide range of locations and cultures so we can compare effectively and pinpoint good and bad influences on the numbers.  I get very frustrated because I have found it hard to find accurate numbers with good statistical methods finding and analyzing them.

Edited April 12, 2016 by Calm

[Danzo]

31 minutes ago, JulieM said:

Here's another article and link (this is for "sexual violence" and not just specifically for rapes):

http://www.thespectrum.com/story/news/local/2015/04/17/utah-ranks-highest-sexual-violence-incidents/25967577/

 

46 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

It's there.

Please quote it for me.

[Danzo]

46 minutes ago, Yirgacheffe said:

That's what the article lead with, an article published by the state of Utah.

More from the first paragraph.

It says higher than the national average, not highest in the united states.

[Danzo]

42 minutes ago, JulieM said:

Unless I'm missing something, that seems to be what is stated (it's at least confusing in the way it's stated):

"One in three women will experience some form of sexual violence in their lifetime. Rape is the only violent crime in Utah that occurs at a higher rate than the rest of the nation. Studies show that one in eight Utah women will be raped and one in 50 Utah men will be raped in their lifetimes (1)."

 

Higher does not mean highest.

[mtomm]

9 minutes ago, Calm said:

Yeah, I need to read your links tomorrow when I can focus better.

This is a topic that we so need accurate and detailed information on from a wide range of locations and cultures so we can compare effectively and pinpoint good and bad influences on the numbers.  I get very frustrated because I have found it hard to find accurate numbers with good statistical methods finding and analyzing them.

Ugh,  don't as there is just  no way to read all that is posted! (Unless you really want to.) My comment pretty much sums it up,  and in no way a scolding for you not having read.  

[Tacenda]

http://kutv.com/news/local/byu-student-says-honor-code-creates-fear-shame-in-victims-of-rape

This was on the news tonight earlier, but took awhile to be put up.  While watching I was pretty surprised because here we were discussing this very thing.

Edited April 12, 2016 by Tacenda