Evidence That The Family Is Under Attack

[KevinG]

It is official.  The modern diversity movement has now come to "CELEBRATE PATHOLOGY!"

 

...and having someone argues suicide among gays stems from society's homophobia and bullying, asking how visceral disapproval of children affects anyone's family is supremely ironic.

[bluebell]

Wow. You are making a leap from one article to our entire society turning into baby haters????? Just how often do you run into these people screaming hatred towards all children?? I live in California. NEVER met a baby hater in my entire life. Maybe wherever you live it is becoming common to run into these baby haters that you feel are becoming so prevalent in todays society. Can you tell us how often you run into one of these baby haters?

I have met people who have decided to not have children. Seems like a very personal decision. I have yet to hear any of them be unhappy with the fact that I or anyone else has decided to have children.

I've talked about this in my other posts so feel free to read them if you would like.

To me, it's concerning when women begin to view children as being worthy of contempt, or not worth the effort to have and raise them.

[Zakuska]

Intresting statistic:

 

Google "baby haters"

 

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=baby%20haters&oq=baby%20haters&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.5271j0j7

16,700,000 hits

[california boy]

I've talked about this in my other posts so feel free to read them if you would like.

To me, it's concerning when women begin to view children as being worthy of contempt, or not worth the effort to have and raise them.

 

I am sorry.  But you have only said how this woman not wanting children has effected HER family.  I get that.  Yet the claim is that her not wanting children is attacking your family or anyone else who chooses to have children.  That is the part I have yet to see in this hyperbole thread.  

 

Is anyone who does not want children under Satan's power and a tool of his to destroy your family or anyone elses?

[jkwilliams]

Intresting statistic:

Google "baby haters"

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=baby%20haters&oq=baby%20haters&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.5271j0j7

16,700,000 hits

So 17 million people got trolled.

[KevinG]

Baby Haters are not a direct threat to the family.  However the movement to gain acceptance of this anti-social behavior is a reflection of the hardening of hearts and increase in self-centered behavior.

[bluebell]

I am sorry.  But you have only said how this woman not wanting children has effected HER family.  I get that.  Yet the claim is that her not wanting children is attacking your family or anyone else who chooses to have children.  That is the part I have yet to see in this hyperbole thread.  

 

Is anyone who does not want children under Satan's power and a tool of his to destroy your family or anyone elses?

 

Actually, i don't believe that i've addressed this woman's family at all.

 

Neither have i said that her not wanting children is attacking my family.  If you want to disagree with me, at least take the time to read what i've written and know what i'm talking about.

[Zakuska]

I remember when my son was about 3 years old we went out to eat at Chuck-A-Rama for dinner and my mom was with us and we ran into a Baby Hater.  Our son was a little fussy from teething and so was crying and we were having a hard time with him and this guy (A Baby hater) on another table pipes up and starts talking loudly to the people at his booth and saying how wrong it was to have kids there and how he hated bawling kids etc. etc. etc. Well My Mom heard him and got up and went over there and really let the guy have it.

 

Fun times.

[Jeanne]

I remember when my son was about 3 years old we went out to eat at Chuck-A-Rama for dinner and my mom was with us and we ran into a Baby Hater.  Our son was a little fussy from teething and so was crying and we were having a hard time with him and this guy (A Baby hater) on another table pipes up and starts talking loudly to the people at his booth and saying how wrong it was to have kids there and how he hated bawling kids etc. etc. etc. Well My Mom heard him and got up and went over there and really let the guy have it.

 

Fun times.

Had to smile at this,.fun times indeed! 

[Jeanne]

I was so fortunate to be able to stay home with my two.  They were two years apart and I just enjoyed every minute of it.  But...I also believe that women who don't want children shouldn't have them. 

[bluebell]

But...I also believe that women who don't want children shouldn't have them. 

 

Definitely.

[rodheadlee]

 

The Brethren have been warning us for many years that the family is under attack.  Lest we think this is just some sort of rhetorical hyperbole, I offer Exhibit A in the form of an article published today by Salon Magazine (listed under the topics "Life Stories, Editor's Picks, Babies, Parenting, Life News"):

 

I hate your kids. And I’m not sorry.

 

I can’t remember a time when I felt anything more positive than contempt for children. Yes, even your adorable ones

 

ALANNA WEISSMAN

 

There is no disclaimer here.  To the contrary, this article is tagged with "Editor's Picks".  Some excerpts (emphases added):

 

I identify as a childfree woman, one of a growing demographic of young people for whom having children is not only not in their present, but not in their future, either, entirely by choice.

...

For many, the decision to be childfree is a matter of practicalities: a baby would not fit in with their career and lifestyle, or they aren’t financially secure, or they haven’t yet found The One. While all those things are true in my case, the main reason is much simpler: I basely, emphatically, viscerally hate children.

 

I can’t remember a time when I felt anything more positive than contempt for children, even when I was a child myself.

...

 

Other childfree women have felt this resultant animosity, and have tried to preempt others’ judgment. From data-driven news stories to personal essays—including those in the excellent new collection “Selfish, Shallow, and Self-Absorbed: Sixteen Writers on the Decision Not to Have Children,” edited by Meghan Daum—almost each story by and about childfree women seems to include apologetic, vehement protestations that such women are not baby-haters.

...

But by failing to account for the possibility that there are baby-haters among us, by attempting to subvert the ugly stereotype before it even arises, such authors negate the experiences of—and even the existence of—those of us for whom our reality is in fact one of baby-hating. And by denying that we exist—especially for women, society’s designated nurturers, who feel this stereotype especially acutely—we are denied the chance to prove that, contrary to what one may instinctively characterize us as, this particular facet of our personalities, our identities as baby-haters, does not make us bad people.

...

I’m not a situational baby-hater, either; though a child behaving badly might cause me to shoot some side-eye or make a snarky comment, my inherent dislike of children does not significantly lessen when a kid behaves well, even if I do find them slightly more tolerable. 

...

I’m not the only baby-hater out there. While I am fairly open about my views, other women have confessed to me in hushed tones their dislike—even hatred—of children or doubt over whether they might ever want any. In fact, even as the stigma against baby-haters persists, science shows that there’s probably a little baby-hater in all of us: new research demonstrates that nothing kills happiness quite like having a baby does.

 

The psychopathy exhibited in this article is self-evident.  And yet Salon not only decided to publish it to the world, but to also give it a leg-up by tagging it with "Editor's Picks".

 

Our society has progressed in some ways.  We have generally improved in developing a broad societal aversion to antipathy based on categories of people like race and gender.  And yet the author of the above article is given a prominent and world-wide platform to declare that she unuapologetically and "emphatically, viscerally hate(s) children", that she claims the label of "baby-hater", along with the approbation apparent with the "Editor's Picks" tag.

 

Would Salon give similar voice and approval to someone bragging about "emphatically, viscerally hat(ing)" black people?  Hispanics?  Women?  Nope, nope and nope.  Why?  Because we do not presently accommodate such expressions of hatred in "good society."

 

And yet Salon clearly feels such expressions of "emphatic" and "visceral" hatred toward babies is not only acceptable and worthy of broad publication on its website, but that it even merits an "Editor's Picks" tag.  The mind reels.

 

So yes, the family is under attack.  We must protect our children from people like Alanna Weissman.  And in case you are wondering, yes, I say this despite the absence of an overt threat against babies from this person.  But the risk stems not from explicit threats, but from the out-and-proud psychopathy of the article in its entirety.

 

I am not sure what to say about Salon's editors.  "Outrage" doesn't quite cover it.

 

Thanks,

 

-Smac

 

I know people who think exactly like this. Educated people, that think we should get carbon credits for not having any brats. They also think anyone on welfare shouldn't have kids, they should be sterilized if it's more than one generation.

[MorningStar]

Years ago I heard a talk show where the host allowed some person on to rant about how much they truly hated babies.  He said horrible things like how he had urges to slam their heads into the pavement in front of their parents when he sees families on a walk.  We expect there to be deranged individuals out there with awful thoughts, but the most concerning thing is that they are given platforms to spew their hateful crap.  Decades ago, no one would have allowed such a person on a show to discuss their homicidal thoughts towards children.

 

I don't think BB said you're a bad person if you find children annoying, disinteresting, frustrating, etc.  She was speaking of actual hatred.  Maybe hate used to be a stronger word. 

[busybee]

I get the idea.  But when you can't verbalize how someone not liking babies attacks or even affects your family or ANYONE else's family, it becomes a ridiculous statement to make.  

 

Still waiting for an actual logical report of how anyone's family is under attack  or harmed in ANY way because some people hate babies.  Maybe you could provide some evidence if you also think this is an attack on families.  Anyone?  Anyone?

 

Or perhaps this idea of Satan's attack on the family has become such a part of Mormon culture that people are scrambling to find ANYTHING to justify such a position.  Just making the statement is enough these days.

 

Still rolling eyes.

Careful, you might just roll them far enough that they are out of reach.

 

If you can't understand that people feeling it's ok to voice their hatred of children on a public forum is evidence that the value of families is being undermined by society then I can't help you. As has been stated before, why is it not ok to say you hate homosexuals/blacks/muslims etc in public, but this kind of sentiment is made 'Editor's Pick' in this particular publication. Society is becoming more comfortable with ideas and practices that are the antithesis of what family is about. Whether you like it or not, the idea of family is not as revered as it once was by a portion of society, and they are clamoring to have their ideologies heard

[Storm Rider]

In a moral society it is shocking and unheard to to "hate" children or old people or different races.  Those kind of vile feelings are not shared openly because of the social stigma attached to such bad behavior.  In a society of few morals there is no social stigma about hating a person.  There is no social pressure to behave in a moral way.

 

Thus, when an individual feels completely comfortable attacking children - hating them - when they are innocent of any wrong-doing; worse, when you have others coming to their defense and thinking it is tolerant and acceptable for them to share their feelings without any consequences or judgment, it is easy to understand how a member of that society could determine that the fundamental building block of society - the only entity that propagates children, could rightly assume that families are under attack.

 

What shocks me almost as much as the person that shared these feelings of hatred for children is that others .... oh, why bother,  This is just beyond comprehension.  And we actually think understanding one another is possible in this day and age.  Go figure. 

[Bobbieaware]

In a moral society it is shocking and unheard to to "hate" children or old people or different races.  Those kind of vile feelings are not shared openly because of the social stigma attached to such bad behavior.  In a society of few morals there is no social stigma about hating a person.  There is no social pressure to behave in a moral way.

 

Thus, when an individual feels completely comfortable attacking children - hating them - when they are innocent of any wrong-doing; worse, when you have others coming to their defense and thinking it is tolerant and acceptable for them to share their feelings without any consequences or judgment, it is easy to understand how a member of that society could determine that the fundamental building block of society - the only entity that propagates children, could rightly assume that families are under attack.

 

What shocks me almost as much as the person that shared these feelings of hatred for children is that others .... oh, why bother,  This is just beyond comprehension.  And we actually think understanding one another is possible in this day and age.  Go figure.

As one who has the unfortunate habit of always looking for the underlying issues that motivate behaviors, I can't help but wonder what role the modern abortion culture might be playing in this kind of hateful thinking. For example, if a woman has had an abortion to end an unwanted pregnancy, I can imagine the residual guilt caused by a decision to take your own child's life could really end up upsetting the healthy emotional function of the human mind. And even if one hasn't had an abortion of their own, I can imagine that just defending or advocating for abortion rights (something very common in today''s areligious popular culture) could also have a powerful affect on desensitizing the emotions of the human mind to the point where there is no longer a healthy reverence for the sacredness of new human life. And I'm also causes to wonder if it's just a coincidence that a certain recently excommunicated feminist member of the Church is now working for the so-called Planned Parenthood abortion mill? Is it really such a leap for one to go from condoning the callus destruction of the unborn to feeling loathing and hatred for the recently born?

[california boy]

Careful, you might just roll them far enough that they are out of reach.

 

If you can't understand that people feeling it's ok to voice their hatred of children on a public forum is evidence that the value of families is being undermined by society then I can't help you. As has been stated before, why is it not ok to say you hate homosexuals/blacks/muslims etc in public, but this kind of sentiment is made 'Editor's Pick' in this particular publication. Society is becoming more comfortable with ideas and practices that are the antithesis of what family is about. Whether you like it or not, the idea of family is not as revered as it once was by a portion of society, and they are clamoring to have their ideologies heard

 

The premise of this thread is that a woman who hates children is a "threat" to the family.  Not a SINGLE person has been able to say HOW a person who hates babies is a threat to their family or anyone else's family.  I repeat not a single person.  The only conclusion I can draw is that she poses no threat to to anyone's family.  It is a false and indefensible claim.  

 

Now if you want to talk about whether society should shun someone who "hates" babies just like society shuns people who hate homosexuals/blacks/Muslims etc, then that is an entirely different topic.  And I would cast my vote for a strong yes, she should be shunned.  

 

That said, I also believe that anyone who doesn't want children should not have any.  One of the REAL threats to families today is people who don't want children but have them anyway.  The biggest threat to families comes within the family itself not the opinion of someone like this woman.  So maybe we should talk about real threats to families today rather then these constant made up threats that seem to appear on a regular basis in the press and on this board.  

[HappyJackWagon]

I saw an article the other day about how a drug dealer was sent to jail, leaving his 4 children to be raised in foster care.

 

More evidence of an attack on the family?

[Bobbieaware]

I saw an article the other day about how a drug dealer was sent to jail, leaving his 4 children to be raised in foster care.

 

More evidence of an attack on the family?

He attacked his own family-- did he not?

[rodheadlee]

The premise of this thread is that a woman who hates children is a "threat" to the family.  Not a SINGLE person has been able to say HOW a person who hates babies is a threat to their family or anyone else's family.  I repeat not a single person.  The only conclusion I can draw is that she poses no threat to to anyone's family.  It is a false and indefensible claim.  

 

Now if you want to talk about whether society should shun someone who "hates" babies just like society shuns people who hate homosexuals/blacks/Muslims etc, then that is an entirely different topic.  And I would cast my vote for a strong yes, she should be shunned.  

 

That said, I also believe that anyone who doesn't want children should not have any.  One of the REAL threats to families today is people who don't want children but have them anyway.  The biggest threat to families comes within the family itself not the opinion of someone like this woman.  So maybe we should talk about real threats to families today rather then these constant made up threats that seem to appear on a regular basis in the press and on this board.  

You're missing the point, the threat is to the future of families as a culture.

[Meadowchik]

The premise of this thread is that a woman who hates children is a "threat" to the family.  Not a SINGLE person has been able to say HOW a person who hates babies is a threat to their family or anyone else's family.  I repeat not a single person.  The only conclusion I can draw is that she poses no threat to to anyone's family.  It is a false and indefensible claim.  

 

Now if you want to talk about whether society should shun someone who "hates" babies just like society shuns people who hate homosexuals/blacks/Muslims etc, then that is an entirely different topic.  And I would cast my vote for a strong yes, she should be shunned.  

 

That said, I also believe that anyone who doesn't want children should not have any.  One of the REAL threats to families today is people who don't want children but have them anyway.  The biggest threat to families comes within the family itself not the opinion of someone like this woman.  So maybe we should talk about real threats to families today rather then these constant made up threats that seem to appear on a regular basis in the press and on this board.  

 

Hating what is essentially the next generation seems like a threat to the family as a cultural value.  The more there are attitudes like this, the less society becomes as a cohesive, connected network of people helping each other.

[thesometimesaint]

I know people who think exactly like this. Educated people, that think we should get carbon credits for not having any brats. They also think anyone on welfare shouldn't have kids, they should be sterilized if it's more than one generation.

 

You really do need to familiarize yourself with who is on welfare.

[bluebell]

The premise of this thread is that a woman who hates children is a "threat" to the family.

I doubt that's the premise of the thread.

[Storm Rider]

You're missing the point, the threat is to the future of families as a culture.

 

Rod, quit being rational and/or logical.  That type of dangerous thinking tips the boat of intolerance, I mean tolerance that is the umbrella that all enlightened people put up to support their broad-minded thinking.  When all else fails, people just repeat some trite phrase of incomprehension.  By all means, never expect that others will actually think about their position and see the gaping holes in their own logic or lack of it.  

Edited October 10, 2015 by Storm Rider

[california boy]

You're missing the point, the threat is to the future of families as a culture.

 

Ok,I will bite.  Where is the future fo families as a culture headed because some magazine found a woman who hates babies?