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Kate Kelly Now Encouraging Others To Leave The Lds Church

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I'm so confused. I admit ignorance and have no idea who this person is. I don't want to derail by asking for an extensive backstory but can someone explain what's going on? Please be patient with me. I've not been in the US for several years.

Calm Grand Master

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Admittedly, I didn't pay much attention to the Kate Kelly saga, and I'm just going by what she wrote in the op-ed. I must have missed the bishop-vilification. 

And the vilification of members who feel at home in the Church:

 

only the least talented, least articulate, least nuanced thinkers, least likely to take a stand against abuse, and the least courageous people thrive in the church today

 

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Calm Grand Master

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I've had church leaders I would say were cowardly and unchristlike, so I can't judge in that matter. I can't imagine suing a stake president, though. 

The letters she published from him did not make him appear so in my view.

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JAHS Grand Master

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Is she supposed to be a modern day Sonia Johnson(?) of sorts. Based on the link and comments in this thread it appears she tried to legislate a radical form of feminism into and onto the Church and God. If my summary is ignorant and incorrect please inform me.

In friendship,

Jacob

That's basically it.  The church welcomes people to study and ask questions about issues like equality and the ordination of women in the church. The problem comes when she publically voices her complaints and organizes large groups of women against the church and its leaders and publically criticizes and ridicules them in public media, thus leading to her excommunication.

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That's basically it.  The church welcomes people to study and ask questions about issues like equality and the ordination of women in the church. The problem comes when she publically voices her complaints and organizes large groups of women against the church and its leaders and publically criticizes and ridicules them in public media, thus leading to her excommunication.

This seems ridiculous. Since when is the Church a place for political activism disguised as social change and progressiveness? She obviously overstepped. I don't like that she was excommunicated but I understand why.

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Analytics Grand Master

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I just read the article for the first time.  I like it; it has a positive, empowering message: it's okay to follow your heart.  I'm struck by the irony of the opening post of this thread where the author said that his family has brought him the most joy in his life.  Kate says that if something brings you joy, don't leave it; if the Church brings you joy, then stay!  Why would somebody who finds joy in the things he's dedicated to take issue with that?

 

Most people feel something in the range of mildly irritated to outright offended when they are told by Mormons that their Church is false and that in order to please God, they need to leave their Church, religious community, and cultural heritage and join Mormonism.  It's the same natural reaction that Mormons feel when they are told they should leave Mormonism.  But I would think Mormons would have more sympathy when somebody says that both staying and leaving are honorable choices, as long as you are following your heart.

 

 

jkwilliams Grand Master

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I just read the article for the first time.  I like it; it has a positive, empowering message: it's okay to follow your heart.  I'm struck by the irony of the opening post of this thread where the author said that his family has brought him the most joy in his life.  Kate says that if something brings you joy, don't leave it; if the Church brings you joy, then stay!  Why would somebody who finds joy in the things he's dedicated to take issue with that?

 

Most people feel something in the range of mildly irritated to outright offended when they are told by Mormons that their Church is false and that in order to please God, they need to leave their Church, religious community, and cultural heritage and join Mormonism.  It's the same natural reaction that Mormons feel when they are told they should leave Mormonism.  But I would think Mormons would have more sympathy when somebody says that both staying and leaving are honorable choices, as long as you are following your heart.

 

Beautifully said. That's exactly how I read it.

Saint Sinner Collaborator

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I just read the article for the first time.  I like it; it has a positive, empowering message: it's okay to follow your heart.  I'm struck by the irony of the opening post of this thread where the author said that his family has brought him the most joy in his life.  Kate says that if something brings you joy, don't leave it; if the Church brings you joy, then stay!  Why would somebody who finds joy in the things he's dedicated to take issue with that?

 

Most people feel something in the range of mildly irritated to outright offended when they are told by Mormons that their Church is false and that in order to please God, they need to leave their Church, religious community, and cultural heritage and join Mormonism.  It's the same natural reaction that Mormons feel when they are told they should leave Mormonism.  But I would think Mormons would have more sympathy when somebody says that both staying and leaving are honorable choices, as long as you are following your heart.

These sentiments I can agree with. The compassion therein is evident.

ERayR Grand Master

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I just read the article for the first time.  I like it; it has a positive, empowering message: it's okay to follow your heart.  I'm struck by the irony of the opening post of this thread where the author said that his family has brought him the most joy in his life.  Kate says that if something brings you joy, don't leave it; if the Church brings you joy, then stay!  Why would somebody who finds joy in the things he's dedicated to take issue with that?

 

Most people feel something in the range of mildly irritated to outright offended when they are told by Mormons that their Church is false and that in order to please God, they need to leave their Church, religious community, and cultural heritage and join Mormonism.  It's the same natural reaction that Mormons feel when they are told they should leave Mormonism.  But I would think Mormons would have more sympathy when somebody says that both staying and leaving are honorable choices, as long as you are following your heart.

 

Then she describes those who find joy in the Church.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/06/gay-mormons-not-the-problem-small-minded-religious-paradigms

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Storm Rider Grand Master

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Most people feel something in the range of mildly irritated to outright offended when they are told by Mormons that their Church is false and that in order to please God, they need to leave their Church, religious community, and cultural heritage and join Mormonism.  It's the same natural reaction that Mormons feel when they are told they should leave Mormonism.  ....

 

Being someone that has taught the gospel for several decades what you have written above has zero correlation to what I have ever taught.  Those words are foreign.  At best it is a nice bit of spinning to meet your agenda whatever it might be.

 

Ms. K's fifteen minutes of fame has passed and there is nothing to discuss about her and anything about her.  Next.

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smac97 Grand Master

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I just read the article for the first time.  I like it; it has a positive, empowering message: it's okay to follow your heart.  I'm struck by the irony of the opening post of this thread where the author said that his family has brought him the most joy in his life.  Kate says that if something brings you joy, don't leave it; if the Church brings you joy, then stay!

Unless your relationship is in a rough spot, such that it is not presently "sparking joy," in which case ditching one's family - by Kate Kelly's reasoning - is pretty okey dokey.

 

Most people feel something in the range of mildly irritated to outright offended when they are told by Mormons that their Church is false and that in order to please God, they need to leave their Church, religious community, and cultural heritage and join Mormonism.  It's the same natural reaction that Mormons feel when they are told they should leave Mormonism.  But I would think Mormons would have more sympathy when somebody says that both staying and leaving are honorable choices, as long as you are following your heart.

None of us would laud a person who, while in a difficult time with his family, abandons his children by using the justification that he is "following his heart."

Latter-day Saints do not, I think, give primacy to "following your heart." Following the Spirit, yes. And in the LDS paradigm, I don't think we can feasibly claim that the Spirit will instruct Latter-day Saints to abandon the Church established by God.

Thanks,

-Smac

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Scott Lloyd Grand Master

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I agree..this type of comment might encourage one to leave the church.  Apparently, those who no longer are in the church lack intelligence and/or no "in the know,"  At least he was honest.

It's interesting that some who have left the Church keep wanting to do it over and over again. Or want to do it by proxy for others.

jkwilliams Grand Master

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Unless your relationship is in a rough spot, such that it is not presently "sparking joy," in which case ditching one's family - by Kate Kelly's reasoning - is pretty okey dokey.

 

None of us would laud a person who, while in a difficult time with his family, abandons his children by using the justification that he is "following his heart."

Latter-day Saints do not, I think, give primacy to "following your heart." Following the Spirit, yes. And in the LDS paradigm, I don't think we can feasibly claim that the Spirit will instruct Latter-day Saints to abandon the Church established by God.

Thanks,

-Smac

 

It's a pretty good analogy. If a family relationship is sufficiently toxic, sometimes you do have to cut your ties and walk away. It takes a lot to get to that point, not just a "rough patch," but sometimes it's the right thing to do.

Scott Lloyd Grand Master

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I didn't take it as a cheap shot, but I'm not going to leave the church. I am trying to destroy it from the inside, one testimony at a time.

Good. It was not intended as a cheap shot. Apparently Jeanne is trying to project a thin skin onto you.

There are plenty of things I'm not thoroughly informed about. No shame in that.

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