Who Are You?

[CCRW]

I feel a good number already know this but: I'm working on my master's degree and will graduate in August.

wooot almost there!  and I want to hear more about this secret love stuff.

[CCRW]

She will be three on tuesday

 

just a couple months ahead of one of mine .... what a incredible age.

[strappinglad]

. I also am allergic to sunlight in higher altitudes....not as cool since I'm planning to live in UT for a long while to come. I have to wear 90 spf sunblock to stay out in the sunlight for any significant amount of time.

I hear there is an Islamic solution to that problem.

[BlueDreams]

BlueDreams, get yourself a parasol for walking about (inexpensive at Asian import stores...though most have some sort of pink on them) and a beach umbrella for sticking in the ground so you can always be working in the shade in the garden.  Ikea had some really good, inexpensive all white beach ones a few years ago.  don't know if they still carry them.

 I would, but the more I'm exposed the better it is for my allergy tolerance.....which means place that I can't hide from the sun, like swimming or much of the hiking I love during the summer, won't be as bad with sunblock by the height of summer.

 

Plus I'm stubborn and haven't fully accepted my fate

[Okrahomer]

This was a great experience for us, with lots of good memories and missionary experiences (non-members worked with us, including some Germans, Danes, etc. --- my mission was in north Germany). Since I'm a teacher and my wife is a homemaker, they'll have to put themselves through school (although they will probably have scholarships, much more so than I did).

 

Ach so!  Hallo, Bruder rongo!  Ich war auch im norden auf Mission, das heisst Hamburg.  Bist du zufaelligeweise auch ehemaliger Hamburger?

[BlueDreams]

wooot almost there!  and I want to hear more about this secret love stuff.

 

I would, but then it wouldn't be a secret.

 

No, there isn't much to tell. I love him, things are complicated....the complication can't be avoided and hinders us moving forward. But we still are because it's been years of knowing each other. So it's an odd dance of avoid and then being near then taking breaks, then finding ourselves back together. 

 

He also makes me laugh and smile, he's caring and loves kids, is just as crass as me, loves to rough house, accepts my own problems and doesn't treat me any differently because of them. He is extremely loyal to his family. He's more manly than I ever thought I'd end up with (drives a truck, does high end construction and is a superintendent in the company, fits in as a cowboy....except he's half Native, etc). Yet he's very comfortable in his masculinity and likes things like the Ballet and Celine Dion. He also enjoys numbers and learning random facts. And if I start talking about him, I don't stop.

[rongo]

Ach so!  Hallo, Bruder rongo!  Ich war auch im norden auf Mission, das heisst Hamburg.  Bist du zufaelligeweise auch ehemaliger Hamburger?

Ganz genau! Das war ja die Deutschland Mission Hamburg (1994-1996), und mein Vater war in der nord-deutsche Mission unter Praesident Reese (1968-1970) --- was mehr oder weniger meine Mission entsprach. 

 

Zu der Zeit, gab es acht deutschsprachige Missionen: Hamburg, Berlin, Leipzig, Frankfurt, Dusseldorf, Muenchen, Wien, und Zurich. Jetzt gibt es leider nur die Berlin und "Alpine" Missionen.  Das heisst also dass jetztige Missionare in deutschsprachigen Laendern umso mehr "treu im vorirdischen Dasein" gewesen sein muessten . . .

[CCRW]

He's more manly than I ever thought I'd end up with (drives a truck, does high end construction and is a superintendent in the company, fits in as a cowboy....except he's half Native, etc).

 

This goes out to your mysterious cowboy!

[Rain]

I took 3 years of Spanish in high school. My senior year I also took German. They are really not alike, but in German I found myself speaking Spanish much more than I wanted to. I figure my brain knew we weren't speaking English so it jumped to the next more familiar language.

I tested out of 5 of 6 quarters of Spanish. Then I took a more advanced Spanish classes and did well. Then I took a Spanish literature class and discovered 3 things. 1. I was hopelessly lost. 2. None of the classes I had taken before had much conversation in them (classes have much more conversation now) 3. When you take upper division classes at Utah State they are filled with missionaries who spoke Spanish for 2 years, something that wasn't noticeable in my grammar, non-conversational classes.

I was so lost that I dropped out of Spanish. Not a good thing since I had planned to be a Spanish and math teacher.

I went on my mission (unfortunately not Spanish speaking) and changed majors 3 times. The last time I found out I was required to have a language minor and I was 1 credit short in Spanish.

By this time I had been out of Spanish for 3-4 years. I didn't know what to do. It was obvious that I couldn't do well in an upper division conversational class after all that time. Did I take classes over to get up to speed or did I start with a new language?

When I talked with my counselor she told me there was a conversational Spanish class and people who had lots of experience were not to take it. Still I worried because after years of very little Spanish I had lost a lot of vocabulary and grammar. But I was blessed and much of that came back to me and I got an A in the class. That was more than 20 years ago so don't bother speaking to me in Spanish now.

And that's how I got one of my 3 minors.

[Okrahomer]

Ganz genau! Das war ja die Deutschland Mission Hamburg (1994-1996), und mein Vater war in der nord-deutsche Mission unter Praesident Reese (1968-1970) --- was mehr oder weniger meine Mission entsprach. 

 

Zu der Zeit, gab es acht deutschsprachige Missionen: Hamburg, Berlin, Leipzig, Frankfurt, Dusseldorf, Muenchen, Wien, und Zurich. Jetzt gibt es leider nur die Berlin und "Alpine" Missionen.  Das heisst also dass jetztige Missionare in deutschsprachigen Laendern umso mehr "treu im vorirdischen Dasein" gewesen sein muessten . . .

 

Haha!  Meine Schwaegerin war Missionarin in der nord-deutsche Mission unter beide Praesident Reese und Praesident Schwendiman.  Ich war in der Hamburg Mission von 1976 -1978.

[Robert F. Smith]

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The candidate for Holy Orders passes through a series of rites administered by the bishop each year of his life at the seminary which increasingly obligate him to a life of sanctity and oblation.

 

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In addition to the obligations attached to the ordinands as they move closer and closer to becoming priests, as clerics they become the bearers of privileges ordinarily reserved from laymen. Lector, which is one of the offices of First Minor Orders grants the ordinand the honor to recite (Low Mass) or chant (Sung Mass) the epistle at Holy Mass. 

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.............................he received the office of Porter and Lector. This allows the candidate to recite/chant the epistle at Holy Mass. His spiritual directors thought it advisable for him to take a year away from studies and he has been serving at a priory and teaching at their school in the Phillippines this year.

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Our son-in-law received First Minor Orders. Obviously, he is neither a priest nor cleric now.  Heh. Of course, I hope our son has a priestly vocation, but God's will be done.

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Very interesting, and such a long process.

 

I am wondering, though, what happens in cases where (as with your son-in-law) the process is not completed?  Are the minor orders retained?  I ask this because I have known laymen in the Roman Catholic Church who were lay members of Holy Orders, but am not sure how they became such.

 

Also, in the famous case of Maria Augusta von Trapp (1905-1987), she was a school teacher and postulant at a Benedictine Monastery in Salzburg, awaiting the novitiate to be a nun, when the Abbess told her it was God's will that she marry the widower Captain Georg von Trapp.  She and a step-daughter later became missionaries in Papua New Guinea.  Since laywomen can be members of Holy Orders, even when married, is that possibly the case for Maria von Trapp?

[saemo]

If it helps, only clergy receive the Sacrament of Holy Orders.

Religious Orders are organizations of laity and/or clergy, who take solemn or simple vows.

For example, Benedictines can be nuns, monks, priests or laity. Usually, laity belong to an order's congregation or chapter, which is tied to a monastery. Each congregation or chapter has its own rules, but will also have rules that are tied to the monastery, and therefore, the order.

Maria Von Trapp came from a Benedictine monastery, so it wouldn't surprise me if she was a Benedictine Oblate.

http://www.osb.org/obl/

More info, and better explained.

http://www.oblatespring.com/oblatespring0605thirdorders.htm

Edited April 18, 2015 by saemo

[Stargazer]

Haha!  Meine Schwaegerin war Missionarin in der nord-deutsche Mission unter beide Praesident Reese und Praesident Schwendiman.  Ich war in der Hamburg Mission von 1976 -1978.

 

Darf ich hier die Unterhaltung unterbrechen und sagen dass ich von 1972 bis 1974 in der Zentraldeutschen Mission (Düsseldorf) gedient habe? 

[3DOP]

Very interesting, and such a long process.

 

I am wondering, though, what happens in cases where (as with your son-in-law) the process is not completed?  Are the minor orders retained?  I ask this because I have known laymen in the Roman Catholic Church who were lay members of Holy Orders, but am not sure how they became such.

 

Also, in the famous case of Maria Augusta von Trapp (1905-1987), she was a school teacher and postulant at a Benedictine Monastery in Salzburg, awaiting the novitiate to be a nun, when the Abbess told her it was God's will that she marry the widower Captain Georg von Trapp.  She and a step-daughter later became missionaries in Papua New Guinea.  Since laywomen can be members of Holy Orders, even when married, is that possibly the case for Maria von Trapp?

 

Minor orders are not retained if the candidate does not continue. There is no need for any process in that event.

 

I have been a Third Order Dominican in the past as a layman. In fact, that is why I call myself 3DOP. 3=third D=Dominican OP=Order of Preachers, the title given to Dominicans. This is open to people living in the world who are called to participate in the charism and privileges of a particular religious order. There is a process involved with this too that takes several years. I left just prior to making what would have been my permanent profession. To my knowledge there are not any canonical penalties, for leaving after making permanent professions, but one is obliged before God to refrain from making a permanent profession if there are any doubts at all.  Second Orders consist of unordained brothers and I think sisters, the nuns are also considered second order, who take vows of chastity, poverty, and obedience. It would be more accurate to say that lay people can be members of religious orders. Holy orders refers to the Sacraments given to priests and deacons who are often what are called secular priests, because they are not religious (a member of a religious order). This would be the case with diocesan priests who are permitted to own property. 

 

In some cases priests and bishops living in the world have wished to be associated with a religious order, and have become third order members. You might have heard of Archbishop Fulton Sheen? While retaining all of the duties and privileges of his office, he was also a Third Order Dominican. Sometimes they are called tertiaries, which just stems from the Latin for third. 

 

I trust I have made it all seem quite confusing.

[CCRW]

that is why I call myself 3DOP. 3=third D=Dominican OP=Order of Preachers, the title given to Dominicans.

very cool

[Ham Clam]

 

Did you get a chance to know your grandfather?  And what in the world brings a nice young lady here?

 

Twenty-One

I never got a chance to know him. He died when I was one. I'm the last child my parents had, plus they had me in their forties so sometimes I think it was because I was born so late, but now I've seen more and more people live into their 80's/90's. He was 65. The reason my dad gives for his illness was his life-long smoking. Four years later my family moved to Missouri and started living in the farm house.

I think there are a few people in their 20's that post on this board regularly, but from what I can tell it is mainly older folks .I can't remember exactly how I found this board. Maybe searching a topic and finding a conversation on here?

I guess I could call myself a recovering hermit.  I've always been into the internet in some way or the other (games, then social media, then discovering--and still discovering--the "Bloggernacle" and the wider Mormon world). I enjoy the tone of the board and have found it friendly. (Some of) the conversations here are simulating. They make me think of things I haven't thought of before. I don't really contribute much to the actually debating that goes on this board, but I say a little here and there.

[Tacenda]

I never got a chance to know him. He died when I was one. I'm the last child my parents had, plus they had me in their forties so sometimes I think it was because I was born so late, but now I've seen more and more people live into their 80's/90's. He was 65. The reason my dad gives for his illness was his life-long smoking. Four years later my family moved to Missouri and started living in the farm house.

I think there are a few people in their 20's that post on this board regularly, but from what I can tell it is mainly older folks .I can't remember exactly how I found this board. Maybe searching a topic and finding a conversation on here?

I guess I could call myself a recovering hermit.  I've always been into the internet in some way or the other (games, then social media, then discovering--and still discovering--the "Bloggernacle" and the wider Mormon world). I enjoy the tone of the board and have found it friendly. (Some of) the conversations here are simulating. They make me think of things I haven't thought of before. I don't really contribute much to the actually debating that goes on this board, but I say a little here and there.

I remember visiting Nauvoo and drove there from the Kansas City airport. Are you near those places? If you are, I can imagine your farm would be similar to the ones I saw. Usually with silos and vast corn fields. And the next door neighbor very far apart.

I relate to the discovering on the internet and being a hermit sometimes.

[CCRW]

Well friends and I call you friends as I have been moved over the last week or so by various threads here in social.

 

It seems my actions have warranted my being restricted by the moderators.  I had high hopes that this might have been a new and much better landing spot for me. I do feel bad about this, but I was pleasantly surprised it made it this far.  Maybe its purpose has been served as it has stirred the spirit in me.  Thank you all for that.

 

Stargazer, I went to Church yesterday for the first time in many years and I prayed for your wife and you during sacrament.  God bless brother, you will remain in my thoughts.

 

Ken, I hope you have a great first day … may this open a rewarding chapter in your life.  Proactive is the word, with the women!

 

JLHPROF, the force is strong in this one, may you receive it and pass it on.  Be careful.

 

Robert, thank for your patience with me.

 

GG, a sweet heart, thanks for the pm and thank you for sharing.  Your story really touched me.

 

Calmoriah, the wise one.  I was hoping to get to know you better.  Also thank you for looking for me.

 

CountryBoy, hey if you can do I can too, right?

 

Saemo, May the road rise up to meet you and Carolina Dreams be in your mind (or something like that)!

 

MorningStar, sunshine beaming through a break in a cloudy day.

 

Tacenda, I really wish I could have read that huge post that got dropped.  I’m disappointed that I did not have more time to get to know you better.

 

Rongo, what can us survivors say?  Thank you for sharing, may your wife be well.

 

3DOP, that avatar picture says a thousand words to me about a father and a son.  Thank you for the gentleness of your posts here.

 

Seriously honestly, just remember you only have to be able to run faster than the slowest walker bait.

 

BlueDreams, Utah, I’ve tried for years to get away … it will just keep pulling you back.  Congrats next August!

 

Strappinglad, wish I could have softened up that all business just a bit.

 

Ham Clam, some old folks hearing gets bad and we think others can’t hear us fart.  Listen up to the likes of jlhprof.

 

I know I’ve missed many, I’m sorry for that but it’s time to move on.

 

Who Am I? Just a lowly long time member of the trailer park.

 

God bless

[Tacenda]

CCRW, I did re post something about who I was, a couple of embarrassing times, and there was no response from you. I left it on for a few days and then feeling like it was ignored, I deleted it. Ha,ha. still a child at 53. Hope you stick around. There are several of us that are restricted, even TBM's. You are so interested in others, that's a great personality trait, very loving. Take care of yourself and hope your health improves. If you need to take a break from the trailer park, come over here.

[saemo]

Well friends and I call you friends as I have been moved over the last week or so by various threads here in social.

 

It seems my actions have warranted my being restricted by the moderators.  I had high hopes that this might have been a new and much better landing spot for me. I do feel bad about this, but I was pleasantly surprised it made it this far.  Maybe its purpose has been served as it has stirred the spirit in me.  Thank you all for that.

 

Saemo, May the road rise up to meet you and Carolina Dreams be in your mind (or something like that)!

 

Half the board is limited. (That may be an exaggeration.)

Anyhow, listen to the wind blow, let it blow, let it blow, sand over my trail.

[CCRW]

dup

Edited April 22, 2015 by CCRW

[Garden Girl]

A new friend reached out to me and I decided to end my pity party and stick around.

 

I'm trying to figure out what your avatar is... the picture is small...

 

GG

[CCRW]

While I was sick, I got addicted to this Eve Online

The avatar is a Machariel Battleship

The tiny image is an Amarrian slave known as an "exotic dancer"

 

4 month checkup, off to doc ...

[Paloma]

It looks like you're deciding to stick around, CCRW, which seems great to me as I think you have an affinity for this place and these people.  

 

Having seen you from afar on both this board and the other board (mostly the "other'  as that's where you've been hanging out for several years), I've always seen you as someone who follows your heart and is bent on compassion and fairness.

 

As a non-LDS person, I feel equally comfortable both places.  And I'm equally almost invisible both places.  

 

What I do know is that there are people that I really like and admire both here and there.

 

 

CCRW ...I  hope and pray that the results from your 4 month checkup bring really good news!

Edited April 22, 2015 by Paloma

[Stargazer]

It seems my actions have warranted my being restricted by the moderators.  I had high hopes that this might have been a new and much better landing spot for me. I do feel bad about this, but I was pleasantly surprised it made it this far.  Maybe its purpose has been served as it has stirred the spirit in me.  Thank you all for that.

 

Stargazer, I went to Church yesterday for the first time in many years and I prayed for your wife and you during sacrament.  God bless brother, you will remain in my thoughts.

Thankyou for that.

I don't think you've been put on any restriction, actually. If the mods move a discussion to a different part of the board that's not a restriction. If you were limited as some here are, then it should show you as "Limited" rather than "Member" underneath your avatar. For an example, check out Tacenda.

That being said, it is possible for the mods to restrict you from posting in certain threads, but usually they tell you by way of adding a comment (in Red) about it.