Rivers Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) I have grown up with the understanding that our spirits in the pre-mortal world looked just like our physical bodies. But this is problematic when you consider that our physical appearances come from genetics. So it doesn't make sense that our spirits look like our bodies unless everybody had pre-determined mortal parents. And that would mean that everyone we reproduce with is pre-determined. Or do I have the wrong idea about the appearance of our spirits? If our spirits do not resemble our physical bodies, how will I recognize my grandmother when I see her again in the spirit world? This is part of the doctrine of pre-existence that I can't wrap my head around. Edited February 25, 2015 by Rivers 1
Uncle Dale Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) I have grown up with the understanding that our spirits in the pre-mortal world looked just like our physical bodies. But this is problematic when you consider that our physical appearances come from genetics. So it doesn't make sense that our spirits look like our bodies unless everybody had pre-determined mortal parents. And that would mean that everyone we reproduce with is pre-determined. Or do I have the wrong idea about the appearance of our spirits? If our spirits do not resemble our physical bodies, how will I recognize my grandmother when I see her again in the spirit world? This is part of the doctrine of pre-existence that I can't wrap my head around. Did Jesus the son of Mary have a beard, before becomingincarnate here on planet earth? If not, then why do LDS illustrations of his revealing his divineself to Jared's bro depict a celestial being with a beard? But, when the same sort of artists draw Moroni (who,they say actually was an Israelite who once lived herein this world) he has no beard? Seems like it should be the other way around. Jesus, beforeinhabiting a solid body for the first time, beardless -- whileIsraelite leader and scribe Moroni, son of Mormon, should havea warrior's proper beard -- just like Joshua and Sampson... Oh well, UD Edited February 25, 2015 by Uncle Dale
CV75 Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 I have grown up with the understanding that our spirits in the pre-mortal world looked just like our physical bodies. But this is problematic when you consider that our physical appearances come from genetics. So it doesn't make sense that our spirits look like our bodies unless everybody had pre-determined mortal parents. And that would mean that everyone we reproduce with is pre-determined. Or do I have the wrong idea about the appearance of our spirits? If our spirits do not resemble our physical bodies, how will I recognize my grandmother when I see her again in the spirit world? This is part of the doctrine of pre-existence that I can't wrap my head around. I think there is something recognizable from our premortal appearance in our mortal appearance, but we have to be sensitive to perceiving it (after all, it is "more fine or pure"). Whatever it is that persists in or through the flesh is t least in part what our spirit looks like. But when they are "inseparably connected" they will be identical.
strappinglad Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 I think a spirit is malleable and can take on the form of the vessel it is in. I would hope that Siamese twins are able to separate in the spirit world, and that thalidomide children will have all proper limbs. From NDE experiences , it seems that loved ones are seen in the form they would be recognized in but whether that is permanent I doubt. Oh, and if we are now to consider artists illustrations as fixed doctrine , we have a problem Houston. 2
ksfisher Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 Did Jesus the son of Mary have a beard, before becomingincarnate here on planet earth? If not, then why do LDS illustrations of his revealing his divineself to Jared's bro depict a celestial being with a beard? But, when the same sort of artists draw Moroni (who,they say actually was an Israelite who once lived herein this world) he has no beard? Seems like it should be the other way around. Jesus, beforeinhabiting a solid body for the first time, beardless -- whileIsraelite leader and scribe Moroni, son of Mormon, should havea warrior's proper beard -- just like Joshua and Sampson... Oh well, UDPerhaps heavenly styles have changed since the Brother of Jared's time.
Buzzard Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 I, for one, am sure I was devastatingly handsome. Can't speak for the rest of you. 4
The Nehor Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 I, for one, am sure I was devastatingly handsome. Can't speak for the rest of you. There is no envy regarding looks in the next life as all are amazing. It is possible to recognize someone but in such a perfect form they make the beautiful of the earth look like recovering lepers. 1
Ahab Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 I have grown up with the understanding that our spirits in the pre-mortal world looked just like our physical bodies. But this is problematic when you consider that our physical appearances come from genetics. So it doesn't make sense that our spirits look like our bodies unless everybody had pre-determined mortal parents. And that would mean that everyone we reproduce with is pre-determined. Or do I have the wrong idea about the appearance of our spirits? If our spirits do not resemble our physical bodies, how will I recognize my grandmother when I see her again in the spirit world?This is part of the doctrine of pre-existence that I can't wrap my head around.I have an idea about this, which is basically that we looked like what we look like now except without any deformities that people get sometimes from this imperfect world. I mean, who else would we look like, if not like ourselves. And the reason we look like what we look like, without any deformities, is because this is what we were going to look like as our true selves, and since this is what we were going to look like there was no other way we were going to look other than how we look without any deformities which, if we have any, will be corrected in our resurrection. 1
teddyaware Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) I have grown up with the understanding that our spirits in the pre-mortal world looked just like our physical bodies. But this is problematic when you consider that our physical appearances come from genetics. So it doesn't make sense that our spirits look like our bodies unless everybody had pre-determined mortal parents. And that would mean that everyone we reproduce with is pre-determined. Or do I have the wrong idea about the appearance of our spirits? If our spirits do not resemble our physical bodies, how will I recognize my grandmother when I see her again in the spirit world? This is part of the doctrine of pre-existence that I can't wrap my head around. We looked like the cute little cherub with the bow and arrow you see on Valentine's Day cards. Edited February 26, 2015 by teddyaware
HOLY CATHOLIC Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) Romans 9:11 says we never existed or done anything good or bad before are birth so pre-existence is a myth . Verse 8 says we aren't literally children of God but are adopted into his family Eph 1:5 Gal 4:5 Romans 8:15; 23 Romans 9:4 John 1:12 Gal 3:26 and no where in the Book of Mormon does it teach that either, the pre-existence or we are literal children of God the Father and Mother Edited February 26, 2015 by HOLY CATHOLIC
The Nehor Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) We looked like the cute little cherub with the bow and arrow you see on Valentine's Day cards.Which sadly means those weird diaper fetishists are actually trying to recapture their Premortal holiness. Edited February 26, 2015 by The Nehor
The Nehor Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 Romans 9:11 says we never existed or done anything good or bad before are birth so pre-existence is a myth . Verse 8 says we aren't literally children of God but are adopted into his family Eph 1:5 Gal 4:5 Romans 8:15; 23 Romans 9:4 John 1:12 Gal 3:26 and no where in the Book of Mormon does it teach that either, the pre-existence or we are literal children of God the Father and Mother I would reread Alma 13.
cinepro Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) If I find out it didn't look like this, I'll be really disappointed. Edited February 26, 2015 by cinepro
teddyaware Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) Romans 9:11 says we never existed or done anything good or bad before are birth so pre-existence is a myth . Verse 8 says we aren't literally children of God but are adopted into his family Eph 1:5 Gal 4:5 Romans 8:15; 23 Romans 9:4 John 1:12 Gal 3:26 and no where in the Book of Mormon does it teach that either, the pre-existence or we are literal children of God the Father and Mother Here we go again -- a non-LDS person who thinks he knows the LDS religion better than the Latter-day Saints. For your information, there are at least two examples of Book of Mormon pre-existence scriptural passages 3 And this is the manner after which they were ordained—being called and prepared from the foundation of the world according to the foreknowledge of God, on account of their exceeding faith and good works; in the first place being left to choose good or evil; therefore they having chosen good, and exercising exceedingly great faith, are called with a holy calling, yea, with that holy calling which was prepared with, and according to, a preparatory redemption for such. (Alma 13) and... 15 And never have I showed myself unto man whom I have created, for never has man believed in me as thou hast. Seest thou that ye are created after mine own image? Yea, even all men were created in the beginning after mine own image. You remind me of the blustering anti-Mormon minister I once debated. He was a big know-it-all who ended up all red-faced and apologetic when he realized his anti-Mormon research was found wanting. Edited February 26, 2015 by teddyaware
Jeanne Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 There is no envy regarding looks in the next life as all are amazing. It is possible to recognize someone but in such a perfect form they make the beautiful of the earth look like recovering lepers.Pushing 60 here so like..this is good news!!
The Nehor Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 If I find out it didn't look like this, I'll be really disappointed.I will be relieved.Pushing 60 here so like..this is good news!!As my grandpa pointed out you have all eternity to be young. This is your only shot at being old so enjoy it while it lasts. 1
JLHPROF Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 Romans 9:11 says we never existed or done anything good or bad before are birth so pre-existence is a myth . Verse 8 says we aren't literally children of God but are adopted into his familyComplete misread. Vs 8 refers to the Israelites who were already living/dead at that time as shown in verse 4-5.Verse 11 tells you that the children existed before being born, aka premortal existence. Eph 1:5 - Speaks of the premortal existence Gal 4:5 - has no bearing on premortality at all. Romans 8:15; 23 has no bearing on premortality at all. Romans 9:4 has no bearing on premortality at all. John 1:12 has no bearing on premortality at all. Gal 3:26 has no bearing on premortality at all. and no where in the Book of Mormon does it teach that either, the pre-existence or we are literal children of God the Father and Mother Others have already shown you where it does. As for all the verses on adoption (which has nothing to do with pre-existence), that is a topic for a different thread. Adoption in the gospel refers to being sealed into the family of heaven by being sealed to our families and our ancestors, all the way back to Adam when the entire redeemed family will be sealed/adopted to Christ. Far more complex than most Christians are willing to believe.
Rivers Posted February 27, 2015 Author Posted February 27, 2015 If I find out it didn't look like this, I'll be really disappointed.That movie's a classic.
mnn727 Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Not sure about you but I looked remarkably like Chris Hemsworth (Thor).
mnn727 Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Not sure about you but I looked remarkably like Chris Hemsworth (Thor). Wow, that was a conversation stopper.
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