Freedom Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865584004/Archaeologists-say-they-have-found-piece-of-Jesus-cross.htmlYou will have to cut and paste this, for some reason I am unable to post links. This is a very good example of allowing dogma to put all common sense aside in a desperate bid to prove what cannot be proven. Archaeologists (read religious fanatics posing as archaeologists) have found a piece of wood in an old church and conclude it is the cross if Jesus? I found a shiny rock in my back yard which proves krypton is real. I way my daughter using a broom which means she is a witch. This is the same science that produced the creationist museum.
cinepro Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 http://www.deseretne...esus-cross.htmlYou will have to cut and paste this, for some reason I am unable to post links. This is a very good example of allowing dogma to put all common sense aside in a desperate bid to prove what cannot be proven.I can think of some other very good examples too.
The Nehor Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 There are enough splinters from the cross found by now to crucify 500 people. 3
savedbygrace Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 (edited) someone on these boards rececnttly said the BoM was proved true beacause of the Quetzactl legend found amongst sth American Indians, that was their historical proof mmmm Edited August 2, 2013 by savedbygrace
thesometimesaint Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 http://www.deseretne...esus-cross.htmlYou will have to cut and paste this, for some reason I am unable to post links. This is a very good example of allowing dogma to put all common sense aside in a desperate bid to prove what cannot be proven. Archaeologists (read religious fanatics posing as archaeologists) have found a piece of wood in an old church and conclude it is the cross if Jesus? I found a shiny rock in my back yard which proves krypton is real. I way my daughter using a broom which means she is a witch. This is the same science that produced the creationist museum.Even if true(though I highly doubt it) none of those prove a theological construct. To me the whole idea of this life is to walk by faith.
The Nehor Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 someone on these boards rececnttly said the BoM was proved true beacause of the Quetzactl legend found amongst sth American Indians, that was their historical proof mmmmActually they were saying someone outside these boards said that.
halconero Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 There are enough splinters from the cross found by now to crucify 500 people.Or mildly irriate 500,000! Especially if they get them under a nail. Pun not intended.I don't this is a trait unique to religion though. I once really liked a girl, and was convinced that she liked me back, even though she said she didn't. I added up all the "evidence" in my head that she was just playing hard to get, or was just shy and non-commital, anything but the idea that she actually didn't like me.Too many minutes wasted on sappy love songs...oh, the regrets.Seriously though, there are many cases where people really really really want to believe something, and convince themselves that something is evidence which really isn't so.
Storm Rider Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 The path to faith is does not always or often appear to be a path that leads straight to Exaltation. I think some individuals use intermediate steps as they grow in faith. There are those that find the image of Jesus in things from a nacho chip to a cloud; none of these is uniquely important, but they often lead others to a desire to follow God more fully. I understand how some of us can find some of these small, intermediate steps to God as ineffective or cause some of us to be repelled, but I propose that a better way may be to allow those that find such things beneficial the opportunity for growth. In other words, this intermediate step will lead to a more sure footing in the gospel of Christ, but let’s not judge them poorly for taking a step.
CV75 Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 This is a very good example of allowing dogma to put all common sense aside in a desperate bid to prove what cannot be proven.Why is that a reason to hate religion?
Freedom Posted August 3, 2013 Author Posted August 3, 2013 Why is that a reason to hate religion?It isn't a reason to hate religion. I never said I hate religion, rather I am pointing out an aspect of religion that I hate - trying to find proof where non exists. Abandoning science in the name of dogma. 1
Storm Rider Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 Truth is not relative. Truth is eternal and it is just as true for you as it is for anyone else. Beliefs and truths are two very different things.
Freedom Posted August 3, 2013 Author Posted August 3, 2013 Truth is not relative. Truth is eternal and it is just as true for you as it is for anyone else. Beliefs and truths are two very different things.Some truths are, although perhaps I am arguing semantics. I cannot each cooked tomatoes, this is a truth for me that does not apply to other members of my family. I enjoy reading non-fiction books but other members of my family do not. Different truths. Some people feel the spirit through song, others through scripture. The eternal truth is the spirit, how we experience it is different. Many so-called gospel truths are culture dependent. Modesty is an example, as is the word of wisdom. 1
3DOP Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 It seems like there is a presupposition that everyone on this board is against the Tea Party and Creationism. I don't care to argue about it, but I think I should go on the record as being the only person here who sympathizes with both. I don't know anything about this particular claim, but I tend to think that there are authentic relics of the True Cross that have been carefully preserved as well.Sorry to disappoint,3DOP 2
Stone holm Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 It seems like there is a presupposition that everyone on this board is against the Tea Party and Creationism. I don't care to argue about it, but I think I should go on the record as being the only person here who sympathizes with both. I don't know anything about this particular claim, but I tend to think that there are authentic relics of the True Cross that have been carefully preserved as well.Sorry to disappoint,3DOPI would think that given the number of shards preserved that there just might be a few that are genuine, does anyone know what the Romans did with their used crosses? Did they recycle them? I bet the crucifixion yards smelled horrific.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865584004/Archaeologists-say-they-have-found-piece-of-Jesus-cross.htmlYou will have to cut and paste this, for some reason I am unable to post links. This is a very good example of allowing dogma to put all common sense aside in a desperate bid to prove what cannot be proven. Archaeologists (read religious fanatics posing as archaeologists) have found a piece of wood in an old church and conclude it is the cross if Jesus? I found a shiny rock in my back yard which proves krypton is real. I way my daughter using a broom which means she is a witch. This is the same science that produced the creationist museum.The Church is a "one size fits as", for some it is hard, for others just right, and for some a means to control free thuough.
Stone holm Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 The Church is a "one size fits as", for some it is hard, for others just right, and for some a means to control free thuough.Not really, but we do devote a fair amount of energy to crowd control. That is because sometimes we get confused between doctrine and culture.
Calm Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 I would think that given the number of shards preserved that there just might be a few that are genuine, does anyone know what the Romans did with their used crosses? Did they recycle them? I bet the crucifixion yards smelled horrific.Romans were practical people, I bet they reused them and then when no longer needed, used them as firewood or something else so they didn't have to be bothered to go find another tree to cut down and drag to the spot.
CV75 Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 (edited) It isn't a reason to hate religion. I never said I hate religion, rather I am pointing out an aspect of religion that I hate - trying to find proof where non exists. Abandoning science in the name of dogma.I saw the title of the thread, "What I Hate About Religion" so I was wondering.Some religious people may opt to abandon science in the name of their dogma, and some may use (or misuse) science to support their religion, but this is usually just a misapplication of their religion or their faith. I don't see that as a reason to hate religion itself. Edited August 3, 2013 by CV75
kassie Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 Well I have always believed that if your religion can't stand up to scrutiny then there is something wrong with your religion. Religion by definition is faith based. Period. You can analyze, categorize, desensitize, review, and calculate but if in the end you can't defend your religion based on truth and facts then there is something wrong. And then.....there is that missing category. Faith is walking to the edge of all the light you know....and then taking one more step. If your faith is real you will know when you take that step that Heavenly Father is there to catch you. And if you don't know...you will be surprised. And then the rest of it all makes sense on its own. 2
mfbukowski Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 Well I have always believed that if your religion can't stand up to scrutiny then there is something wrong with your religion. Religion by definition is faith based. Period. You can analyze, categorize, desensitize, review, and calculate but if in the end you can't defend your religion based on truth and facts then there is something wrong. And then.....there is that missing category. Faith is walking to the edge of all the light you know....and then taking one more step. If your faith is real you will know when you take that step that Heavenly Father is there to catch you. And if you don't know...you will be surprised. And then the rest of it all makes sense on its own.I was sure I would be the first to give you a rep point with only 12 posts under your belt, but then I checked your profile and saw that out of your 12 posts you already had 9 (then) rep points.Holy Sheboygan!
kassie Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 I was sure I would be the first to give you a rep point with only 12 posts under your belt, but then I checked your profile and saw that out of your 12 posts you already had 9 (then) rep points.Holy Sheboygan!Well do I get a cookie or what?
mfbukowski Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 Well do I get a cookie or what? AHA! Priestcraft! 1
Stone holm Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 Will eat cookies for work.Somebody gave you a rep point for that, sort of the same thing.
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