Elder Mcconkie, Mormon Doctrine, And Pres. Mckay

[rongo]

calmoriah, and others: Thank you for the links! They are perfect. As for those wondering about my tenure as bishop ---- it was after serving for five years and two months (and having served as a counselor in two previous bishoprics). I wasn't "put away privily."

[omni]

Count me as one of them!

You can also count in the highest levels of the church leadership.

[ERayR]

No kidding! Sheesh......stupid people.

Maybe I was more in tune having grown up hearing and telling hunting and fishing stories. Sorry you had a deprived childhood.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Maybe I was more in tune having grown up hearing and telling hunting and fishing stories. Sorry you had a deprived childhood.

Hey, there always needs to be a victim.

[boblloyd91]

On a side note, the nickname for Mormon Doctrine in my mission among some was "Bruce's Believe it or Not" I always thought that was kind of funny. However, I can't think of a more powerful testimony I've seen anywhere then at his final Conference Address

[Stone holm]

You can also count in the highest levels of the church leadership.

Yeah always wondered why that was allowed to go on that long.

[Closet Doubter]

IMNSHO it is a shame that the few errors there are have restricted the usefulness of this much needed and overall very good work.

Few Errors???? There are over 1000 errors. What good is a book explaining doctrine if we can't count on it to be accurate? I have been taught many things as doctrine that are incorrect most of my life because of books like Mormon Doctrine, Doctrines of Salvation, Man, His Origins & Destiny, and many others. If the apostles and prophets are going to teach "Philosophies of men, mingled with scripture" then the church should make it very clear that unless it is cannonized scripture, we cannot count on it being accurate.

[Scott Lloyd]

Yeah always wondered why that was allowed to go on that long.

Allowed by whom? Are you implying here that the leaders of the Church knew Elder Dunn was embellishing? It's not clear to me such a thing has been established.

Edited June 11, 2013 by Scott Lloyd

[ERayR]

Few Errors???? There are over 1000 errors. What good is a book explaining doctrine if we can't count on it to be accurate? I have been taught many things as doctrine that are incorrect most of my life because of books like Mormon Doctrine, Doctrines of Salvation, Man, His Origins & Destiny, and many others. If the apostles and prophets are going to teach "Philosophies of men, mingled with scripture" then the church should make it very clear that unless it is cannonized scripture, we cannot count on it being accurate.

That may be so but just who is it that declared all of this to be in error?

[Scott Lloyd]

That may be so but just who is it that declared all of this to be in error?

That's always the question, isn't it?

It's like Tacenda asserting matter-of-factly on another thread that LDS doctrine "clearly" contradicts the Bible.

If it does, it's not clear to me.

[ERayR]

That's always the question, isn't it?

It's like Tacenda asserting matter-of-factly on another thread that LDS doctrine "clearly" contradicts the Bible.

If it does, it's not clear to me.

I always wonder when I hear a statement like "it contains over a thousand errors" who and on whose authority declared all of these errors? Who is interpreting what is or is not error?

[Stone holm]

I always wonder when I hear a statement like "it contains over a thousand errors" who and on whose authority declared all of these errors? Who is interpreting what is or is not error?

As I recall that would be Pres. McKay. The nice thing about BRM was that when he was confronted with error, he would acknowledge it and try to correct it. Unfortunately, it appears he was something like loveable energiser bunny and go out and publish some more. One of the great things about the Church that keeps it a strong and robust living faith is that we have living prophets, seers, and revelators. The problematic thing about the Church, however, is that we have had living prophets, seers, and revelators. Fortunately, however, The Lord has provided us with two things and as long as we use both we are not likely to go too far awry, namely, the gift of The Holy Ghost and a brain.

[Stone holm]

Allowed by whom? Are you implying here that the leaders of the Church knew Elder Dunn was embellishing? It's not clear to me such a thing has been established.

Uhm, its not like he was being terribly secretive when he was doing it. I don't know if you experienced that period or not but he was being used as one of the top pubic speakers in all kinds of films and other productions for the Church. I don't say they knew, but I would say that somebody should have known.

[T-Shirt]

Few Errors???? There are over 1000 errors. What good is a book explaining doctrine if we can't count on it to be accurate? I have been taught many things as doctrine that are incorrect most of my life because of books like Mormon Doctrine, Doctrines of Salvation, Man, His Origins & Destiny, and many others. If the apostles and prophets are going to teach "Philosophies of men, mingled with scripture" then the church should make it very clear that unless it is cannonized scripture, we cannot count on it being accurate.

It was Mark E Peterson (who was appointed by President McKay to review "Mormon Doctrine") who came up with 1067 errors. Keep in mind that Elder Peterson was likely chosen because of his experience as a proof reader and editor. We do not know what all of the 1067 errors were, but it is highly likely, (due to Elder Peterson's expertise), that many of those errors may have been grammatical or spelling related in additions to any doctrinal errors Later, as the book was being prepared for a second edition, Elder Spencer W. Kimball was assigned to review the book for errors, he only cited fifty.

[Kenngo1969]

On a side note, the nickname for Mormon Doctrine in my mission among some was "Bruce's Believe it or Not" I always thought that was kind of funny. However, I can't think of a more powerful testimony I've seen anywhere then at his final Conference Address

Hey, Bob, you forgot to toss a bomb (the more hyperbolic the better) before abandoning the thread. You feelin' all right, Bro?

[Avatar4321]

Its been awhile since I perused a "Church" bookstore, the last couple time I went it was dominated by "warm and fuzzy" and "self-improvement" type fluff. I get enough pablum at Church without supplementing it.

What's wrong with self improvement?

[ERayR]

It was Mark E Peterson (who was appointed by President McKay to review "Mormon Doctrine") who came up with 1067 errors. Keep in mind that Elder Peterson was likely chosen because of his experience as a proof reader and editor. We do not know what all of the 1067 errors were, but it is highly likely, (due to Elder Peterson's expertise), that many of those errors may have been grammatical or spelling related in additions to any doctrinal errors Later, as the book was being prepared for a second edition, Elder Spencer W. Kimball was assigned to review the book for errors, he only cited fifty.

My copy is the second addition.

[Senator]

Maybe I was more in tune having grown up hearing and telling hunting and fishing stories. Sorry you had a deprived childhood.

Oh, not me. I served a mission. My bs meter is well oiled!

[Stone holm]

What's wrong with self improvement?

Getting too old for the successories crowd.

[Avatar4321]

Getting too old for the successories crowd.

What is the successories crowd?

[Lightbearer]

On a side note, the nickname for Mormon Doctrine in my mission among some was "Bruce's Believe it or Not" I always thought that was kind of funny.

Glad they decided to "raise the bar"...

[Damien the Leper]

Meh, Mormon Doctrine isn't worth much. I'll take Jesus the Christ over that mess any day for the rest of eternity.

[thesometimesaint]

Few Errors???? There are over 1000 errors. What good is a book explaining doctrine if we can't count on it to be accurate? I have been taught many things as doctrine that are incorrect most of my life because of books like Mormon Doctrine, Doctrines of Salvation, Man, His Origins & Destiny, and many others. If the apostles and prophets are going to teach "Philosophies of men, mingled with scripture" then the church should make it very clear that unless it is cannonized scripture, we cannot count on it being accurate.

I think you mean canonized.

We have already done that. "A prophet is only a prophet when acting as such".

Joseph Smith

[Closet Doubter]

I think you mean canonized.

We have already done that. "A prophet is only a prophet when acting as such".

Joseph Smith

I believe what you are stating (I guess it's what Joseph Smith stated) however when the Church allows talks like the "14 Fundamentals for Following the Prophet" to continue to be rehashed through conference talks without correction it establishes official church doctrine (or is it policy) to be different.

[thesometimesaint]

I believe what you are stating (I guess it's what Joseph Smith stated) however when the Church allows talks like the "14 Fundamentals for Following the Prophet" to continue to be rehashed through conference talks without correction it establishes official church doctrine (or is it policy) to be different.

Neither God nor the Church prevents us from having own our thoughts, ideas, and ruminations. God doesn't make sock puppets. Really the only thing the Church requires of me is to confirm for myself what my leaders say is the truth. Much of what is said in General Conference is good, and wise, advice; and we would be well advised to follow it. That being said not everything that is said even in GC is doctrine. We have long had an established method of determining what is our doctrine. You'll find our doctrine in our Standard Works. To date "14 Fundamentals for Following the Prophet"' has not gone through that long established method. I don't anticipate it will be any time soon.