End Of The Mormon Moment?

[Saints Alive]

Godwin's Law is alive and well.

no, no, no!!! I didn't reference hitler or nazis

At least not directly

Edited November 8, 2012 by Saints Alive

[Bikeemikey]

Right... Because we know the German people choose the right leader

The fact you got rep points for this post embrasses me.

[Bikeemikey]

If we haven't reached the tipping point we are surely teetering on the edge.

The US us not even close to the edge of the social climate that might precipitate a shift in social disposition similar to what occurred prior the election of the Nazi party.

Try losing a major regional conflict, have your country fined hundred of billions of dollars, have your military forcibly reduced to nothing, a population poor, unemployed and hungry, all after having been the major hub of prospering civilized and modern society.

To some apocalyptic minded folks the US may seem this way. It is not, it is still the most prosperous nation on earth.

There is no reasonable comparison to be made to either a teetering edge or the rise of the Nazi party.

Edited November 8, 2012 by Bikeemikey

[MiserereNobis]

Maybe we can take a nap for a little while?

Dang.

Unfortunately there is no rest for Mormons. Even in eternity.

Ah, the best reason yet given why one should not become a Mormon

[Duncan]

Right... Because we know the German people choose the right leader

if you are referring to the 1933 German elections then that's highly debatable as to whether or not there was much of a free will choice

[Garden Girl]

I think that the people of United States have made the right decision. I think that one can always trust the people to make the right decision. They have elected the better candidate.

Now dearie... that is your own opinion... I won't turn this into a political thread by going further so not to break board rules... but let me assure you that millions of people do not share your view and I certainly did not.

GG

[harfad]

If we haven't reached the tipping point we are surely teetering on the edge.

That is being too pessimistic. I think there is more reason for hope than pessimism.

[Bikeemikey]

That is being too pessimistic. I think there is more reason for hope than pessimism.

Agreed

[Mudcat]

The election is over and Romney won't be president. Is the mormon moment over now too?

"The Book of Mormon" is still on Broadway so I wouldn't think so.

[Saints Alive]

Try losing a major regional conflict, have your country fined hundred of billions of dollars, have your military forcibly reduced to nothing, a population poor, unemployed and hungry, all after having been the major hub of prospering civilized and modern society.

Gosh that sound eerily familiar... I think you proved my point better than I did.

[Saints Alive]

That is being too pessimistic. I think there is more reason for hope than pessimism.

that's what the campaign slogan would have us believe.

[Calm]

Gosh that sound eerily familiar... I think you proved my point better than I did.

Really? When was the last time the US was invaded and devastated by foreign governments?

[Bikeemikey]

Gosh that sound eerily familiar... I think you proved my point better than I did.

If you think that sounds like the US you see a world that does not exist.

[Scott Lloyd]

I take it more as how far the rest if the country has come. We live in a more tolerant and accepting society than we did 100 years ago.

There's still a disturbing level of bigotry and invincible ignorance. The difference, perhaps, is that, as pertaining to Mormonism, it no longer enjoys the respect that it once did.

Edited November 9, 2012 by Scott Lloyd

[Bikeemikey]

There's still a disturbing level of bigory and invincible ignorance. The difference, perhaps, is that, as pertaining to Mormonism, it no longer enjoys the respect that it once did.

I Agree.

[Scott Lloyd]

I had these verses in mind when I said that:

"Now it is not common that the avoice of the people desireth anything bcontrary to that which is right; but it is common for the lesser part of the cpeople to desire that which is not right; therefore this shall ye observe and make it your law—to do your business by the voice of the people.

"And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you; yea, then is the time he will visit you with great destruction even as he has hitherto visited this land." (Mosiah 29:26-27)

The Germans did indeed choose the wrong thing, and paid for it with heavy destruction, as prophesied in those verses. I don't think that the United States has reached that tipping point yet. That is why the decisions of the majority of the people can still be trusted. But the excessive polarization of the people is not a good sign, and may spell trouble in the days ahead.

Saints Alive was reacting to your remark: "I think that one can always trust the people to make the right decision."

He has a point. Germany in the 1930s and the United States in 2012 contradict that assertion.

[Bikeemikey]

Saints Alive was reacting to your remark: "I think that one can always trust the people to make the right decision."

He has a point. Germany in the 1930s and the United States in 2012 contradict that assertion.

Germany does... The US does not.

In Germany there has been an extreme conflagration of factors that caused support for the nazi party. There is also much debate over the fairness of those elections.

[harfad]

Saints Alive was reacting to your remark: "I think that one can always trust the people to make the right decision."

I think that is a true statement as a general observation (which is th spirit in which I meant it), according to Mosiah 29:26-2:

"Now it is not common that the voice of the people desireth anything contrary to that which is right; but it is common for the lesser part of the cpeople to desire that which is not right; ..."

He has a point. Germany in the 1930s and the United States in 2012 contradict that assertion.

I don't agree. Germany was an uncommon[/c] occurance where the people made the wrong choice; and the US in 2012 made the right choice! So in either case I don't agree with your assessment.

[Duncan]

I think that is a true statement as a general observation (which is th spirit in which I meant it), according to Mosiah 29:26-2:

"Now it is not common that the voice of the people desireth anything contrary to that which is right; but it is common for the lesser part of the cpeople to desire that which is not right; ..."

I don't agree. Germany was an uncommon[/c] occurance where the people made the wrong choice; and the US in 2012 made the right choice! So in either case I don't agree with your assessment.

how can you say that? Germans chose the wrong fella because the "election" was so obviously rigged in favor of you know who, they had no real choice. Just remember not all Germans were Nazis and not all Nazis were or are Germans

[Jude2]

I know there are several here who think Obama was the better choice but my mind keeps going back to that moment when at the Democratic convention they very loudly booed God, not once but three times. Remember Jews cried “crucify him” three times;

“Therefore, wo be unto the Gentiles if it so be that they harden their hearts against the Lamb of God.

For the time cometh, saith the Lamb of God, that I will work a great and a marvelous work among the children of men; a work which shall be everlasting, either on the one hand or on the other—either to the convincing of them unto peace and life eternal, or unto the deliverance of them to the hardness of their hearts and the blindness of their minds unto their being brought down into captivity, and also into destruction, both temporally and spiritually, according to the captivity of the devil, of which I have spoken.” 1Nephi 14

[Saints Alive]

I don't agree. Germany was an uncommon[/c] occurance where the people made the wrong choice; and the US in 2012 made the right choice! So in either case I don't agree with your assessment.

Only time will tell; we shall see.

[Mark Beesley]

Saints Alive was reacting to your remark: "I think that one can always trust the people to make the right decision."

He has a point. Germany in the 1930s and the United States in 2012 contradict that assertion.

. . . in your not-so-humble opinion . . .

What a ridiculous comparison! Do you use that keyboard to compose serious stuff as well?

[harfad]

Only time will tell; we shall see.

How can time tell whether Romney might have been a better candidate? That is something that we will never be able to know.

[cinepro]

I know there are several here who think Obama was the better choice but my mind keeps going back to that moment when at the Democratic convention they very loudly booed God, not once but three times. Remember Jews cried “crucify him” three times;

What the heck are you talking about? If you're talking about

, I think it's fair to argue that much of the opposition to the amendments came from people who believe in God but objected to having Jerusalem recognized as the capital of Israel. They weren't "booing God".

If you're referring to something else (for example, if God appeared at the convention and was booed), please let me know.

Edited November 9, 2012 by cinepro

[Freedom]

“This is not the end, it is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”

—- Winston Churchill after the Allied victory at the Second Battle of El-Alamein

I think this quote is quite appropriate, thanks for sharing