Biz Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) I'm sure my overall topic has been hashed out many times but I have a question for the board. In light of this older news press article from the church on the White Horse Prophecy why do church members and leaders still perpetrate this doctrine from the pulpit? If this is not doctrine shouldn't the leaders of the church be instructed to ensure its teaching is not taught to church members?Also, in light of a Mormon/Catholic presidential ticket do you think the Church will put out a press release repudiating this issue saying that according to Mormon Doctrine and teachings the Catholic Church is not the Church of the Devil, The Mother of All Harlots, and the Whore of all the Earth? Edited August 14, 2012 by Biz
DBMormon Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) If the Church sent out official letters on every urban legend or speculative theological thought, we would never have time to discuss the doctrine of Christ. It would be a distraction.Also the LDS church doesn't have creeds or a large amount of Doctrine. This is intentional, so on some level the church doesn't concern itself with forcing church beliefs to tow a thin line. Essentially, members are permitted and encouraged to study things out and form their own opinions and understanding. I would say out side the Doctrine of Christ, The Temple Questions, and the 13 articles of faith; there is very little a member has to follow or believe and still be considered active and worthy!IMHO Edited August 14, 2012 by DBMormon 1
Pahoran Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 And here I thought the next line was going to be "walk into a bar."Regards,Pahoran 3
3DOP Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 For a long time I thought it was the White House Prophecy. So this "Horse Prophecy" has to do with being against Catholics? Hmmmm.Anyways, Biz, I think it is pretty clear from how such stuff is now repudiated, that Mormons are not now inclined to that stuff which is probably just a carryover from 19th Century Americana, that occasionally worked its way into individual LDS beliefs. Unless it was officially endorsed, it doesn't need officially rejected. That a Mormon and Catholic could run for office on the same ticket without uproar from either church kind of shows where things are.3DOP
Stargazer Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 I'm sure my overall topic has been hashed out many times but I have a question for the board. In light of this older news press article from the church on the White Horse Prophecy why do church members and leaders still perpetrate this doctrine from the pulpit? If this is not doctrine shouldn't the leaders of the church be instructed to ensure its teaching is not taught to church members?You assume that they do still "perpetrate" this doctrine. I've been an active member of the church since 1966, and I cannot remember this doctrine EVER being taught from the pulpit, or, for that matter, in a church classroom. My first introduction to this "doctrine" was in Duane S. Crowther's "Prophecy - Key to the Future". Since then, when it has come up, it has always come up as a discarded rumor, not a doctrine. I think your premise is incorrect.Also, in light of a Mormon/Catholic presidential ticket do you think the Church will put out a press release repudiating this issue saying that according to Mormon Doctrine and teachings the Catholic Church is not the Church of the Devil, The Mother of All Harlots, and the Whore of all the Earth?As the article you link to indicates, the RCC requires converts from the LDS church to be re-baptized. Big deal. We require RCC converts (in fact, any converts) to be re-baptised. The LDS church does much of its worldwide charity work through the RCC organizations. When a RCC church needed to be built in SLC back in the days of Brigham Young, the Church helped finance the construction and helped build it.Yep, we must be sworn enemies. 1
Stargazer Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 And here I thought the next line was going to be "walk into a bar."Regards,PahoranOne of my favorite jokes goes thusly:Schroedinger's Cat walks into a bar. And doesn't.With a nod to The Science Comedian.
why me Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) That a Mormon and Catholic could run for office on the same ticket without uproar from either church kind of shows where things are.3DOPI wonder how they will handle this on the catholic apologetic board? I think that they are in a pickle jar for sure. A good catholic being a running mate to a member of a 'cult' is not an easy pickle to eat. I think that their mods have already been attempting to tone down the antimormon rhetoric since Romney became the republican candidate. Now, I do believe that they will be toning it down some more. I love a mormon/catholic ticket and it verifies my stance on that board back in the day when I was allowed to post there. Edited August 14, 2012 by why me
why me Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 I'm sure my overall topic has been hashed out many times but I have a question for the board. In light of this older news press article from the church on the White Horse Prophecy why do church members and leaders still perpetrate this doctrine from the pulpit? If this is not doctrine shouldn't the leaders of the church be instructed to ensure its teaching is not taught to church members?I think that members can be misinformed. It happens. But the church statement that you linked to is very clear. I have never heard a church member use the white horse prophecy in a talk. I think that you are just attempting to cause a stir in an empty coffee cup.
saemo Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 When a RCC church needed to be built in SLC back in the days of Brigham Young, the Church helped finance the construction and helped build it.I'm not trying to be the party pooper, just, I heard this so many times from LDS members that I researched it out. Turns out, nope, that never happened. It is a rumor. The building of the Cathedral in SLC was funded by a Spanish Catholic mission charitable organization and Utah Catholics. No doubt LDS people helped build it, but they were paid for their labor (as they should have been).However! The 1996 renovation of the Cathedral was funded by many Utah organizations and individuals, including the LDS Church.
mfbukowski Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 I wonder how they will handle this on the catholic apologetic board? I think that they are in a pickle jar for sure. A good catholic being a running mate to a member of a 'cult' is not an easy pickle to eat. I think that their mods have already been attempting to tone down the antimormon rhetoric since Romney became the republican candidate. Now, I do believe that they will be toning it down some more. I love a mormon/catholic ticket and it verifies my stance on that board back in the day when I was allowed to post there.I remember you well from that board- I am not banned but will not be going back. I'd rather hang out at the trailer park or go get a root canal for fun. 1
why me Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 I'm not trying to be the party pooper, just, I heard this so many times from LDS members that I researched it out. Turns out, nope, that never happened. It is a rumor. The building of the Cathedral in SLC was funded by a Spanish Catholic mission charitable organization and Utah Catholics. No doubt LDS people helped build it, but they were paid for their labor (as they should have been)..References would help. By the way, I find it interesting that the mormon church would allow the 'church of the devil' in its midst. What I find strange is how this is overlooked by catholic apologists when they bring up the whole church of the devil topic. It should be obvious that the mormons were not so anticatholic.
why me Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 I remember you well from that board- I am not banned but will not be going back. I'd rather hang out at the trailer park or go get a root canal for fun.I think that the mods have attempted to tone down the rhetoric of the antimormons on that board. You may try to go back and see what happens. I would love to make them eat the Romney/Ryan ticket.
Calm Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 I'm not trying to be the party pooper, just, I heard this so many times from LDS members that I researched it out. Turns out, nope, that never happened. It is a rumor. The building of the Cathedral in SLC was funded by a Spanish Catholic mission charitable organization and Utah Catholics. No doubt LDS people helped build it, but they were paid for their labor (as they should have been).CFR please
Calm Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 Brigham Young helped him to obtain clear title to land for the first Catholic church in the city.http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705377107/Mormon-Catholic-tolerance-goes-back-to-Brigham-Young.html?pg=all
3DOP Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 I wonder how they will handle this on the catholic apologetic board? I think that they are in a pickle jar for sure. A good catholic being a running mate to a member of a 'cult' is not an easy pickle to eat. I think that their mods have already been attempting to tone down the antimormon rhetoric since Romney became the republican candidate. Now, I do believe that they will be toning it down some more. I love a mormon/catholic ticket and it verifies my stance on that board back in the day when I was allowed to post there.why me, hey. You doing alright? You still hang around at Catholic Answers? Why?Since you bring it up, I am not terribly ashamed to let it be known that having graduated from repeated suspensions to permanent banning has helped me in my temptations to wonder what is the latest nonsense they are advocating. I think they would be better advertised as "Non-Catholic Answers".3DOP
3DOP Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 I remember you well from that board- I am not banned but will not be going back. I'd rather hang out at the trailer park or go get a root canal for fun.hahaha. bukowski! 3DOP got banned before you. What a hoot! It really is too easy to get banned. I think I might be ashamed to admit I wasn't banned yet!
why me Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 http://www.deseretne...ung.html?pg=allHow would this correspond with the church of the devil rhetoric that we hear from the antimormon catholics? Of course, it doesn't correspond at all.
why me Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 why me, hey. You doing alright? You still hang around at Catholic Answers? Why?Since you bring it up, I am not terribly ashamed to let it be known that having graduated from repeated suspensions to permanent banning has helped me in my temptations to wonder what is the latest nonsense they are advocating. I think they would be better advertised as "Non-Catholic Answers".3DOPI am fine. Life is life.I tend to peek in every now and then. I think that we should be celebrating that a devout mormon and a devout catholic can work together in such a fashion. They are certainly an example of good mormon catholic relations.
DavidB Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 I'm sure my overall topic has been hashed out many times but I have a question for the board. In light of this older news press article from the church on the White Horse Prophecy why do church members and leaders still perpetrate this doctrine from the pulpit? If this is not doctrine shouldn't the leaders of the church be instructed to ensure its teaching is not taught to church members?What "Church Leaders", post January 2010, have you heard perpetuate this?As for members perpetuating this, if they are, only they can answer for their misinformation. I suspect those members who perpetuate this, do so are of not wanting to believe the Church spoke against it.
DavidB Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 As for the issue of The LDS and Catholic Church, it is an unfortunate relic. I wonder though, if McConkie's "forget everything I said" can be applied to his statements about the Catholic Church.
Storm Rider Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 I find that those that are filled with desire to serve God and the love of the Savior, regardless of religious affiliation, can make for wonderful friendships. LDS and Catholics can get along particularly well because of so many similarities in their expressions of faith. As for the Catholic board I was banned long ago, but I occasionally still peek in. I look at the prayer requests and the non-Catholic forum (rarely) only to find that it generally remains an ugly place and not conducive to the Spirit and any degree of promoting any degree of understanding.
CV75 Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 why do church members and leaders still perpetrate this doctrine from the pulpit?Also, in light of a Mormon/Catholic presidential ticket do you think the Church will put out a press release repudiating this issue saying that according to Mormon Doctrine and teachings the Catholic Church is not the Church of the Devil, The Mother of All Harlots, and the Whore of all the Earth?What pulpit? I've been a member since 1975 and never hear it from any pulpit anywhere. Hopefully local issues are being handled locally.I don't think a presidential election is important enough for the Church to put out a press release repudiating this issue--and I can't imagine what situation would be important enough!
why me Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 As for the issue of The LDS and Catholic Church, it is an unfortunate relic. I wonder though, if McConkie's "forget everything I said" can be applied to his statements about the Catholic Church.I don't think that it matters what Elder McConkie said. People say many things. What matters is how catholics were treated in Utah. And how a cathedral was allowed to be built. Obviously, BY did not consider it a church of the devil.
Storm Rider Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 I don't think that it matters what Elder McConkie said. People say many things. What matters is how catholics were treated in Utah. And how a cathedral was allowed to be built. Obviously, BY did not consider it a church of the devil.Why, you are mixing up the story with facts and that is just not fun. It is so much better to just let the story run its course with prgressively more sordid details about the LDS Church's hatred of everyone not LDS. You need to just keep facts to yourself and let these poor people have their fun. Dang facts anyway; we need to be able to just create stories out of whole cloth if we want.
why me Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 Why, you are mixing up the story with facts and that is just not fun. It is so much better to just let the story run its course with prgressively more sordid details about the LDS Church's hatred of everyone not LDS. You need to just keep facts to yourself and let these poor people have their fun. Dang facts anyway; we need to be able to just create stories out of whole cloth if we want.Considering that mormons were spit upon, hand their homes burned down, their presses destroyed, ran out of neighborhoods and so on and so on, it is obvious that many christians considered the lds church to be of the devil. I have no proof that mormons treated protestants and catholics in a terrible way and if mormons were allowed to worship freely, we would have seen a different lds church now because its history would be different.
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