bluebell Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Sigh...I do not mind reading. I do not mind praying. But is stuff to do at the bus stop. I wanna get on the bus.....get it started!Then call the bishop.
rpn Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Go CB! Your first step. First, they probably assumed you were a visitor from the stake. The way you were dressed doesn't say, "NEW and Need your help to know where to go for Sunday School". It says, "been here before and don't need anything." The simple way to get on the bus is to call the missionaries in your ward. Go to mormon.org, input your address, it will list your ward and the bishop's number. Call and get the names and phone numbers of the local ones. Or use the chat function at that site to get it. Your testimony won't be strong enough if it is based on whether you feel loved in your ward. Are you saying you are going only so long as you get what you want from the ward? That is what the "I'll try one more time" sounds like. You either believe that this is your ward and you will be able to be taught and baptized and live with joy (or at least peace) where God has assigned you to be, or you don't. Expect that the transition will not be free and easy. Then you'll be pleasantly surprised if most of the time it is (instead of the disappointment you now feel). Your Heavenly Parents and your Savior are rooting for you, even when there is no mortal there to shake your hand. (And you need to be there fifteen minutes early, since leaders are asked to be reverently on the stand ten minutes before start to set the reverence in the building.) Note: Others could say that you didn't welcome people you didn't know either. Welcoming people is for everyone who knows they should and is able to welcome. You are all of those things. 1
UtahTexan Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 My testimony was not shaken by any of this. Just the feeling of being welcomed. As I stated, I will not give up. It was just discouraging. 1
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 it is not large at all. I sat alone. I was very noticeable.....just not very welcomeIf you really want to throw them for a loop wait for the next fast and testimony meeting. And then tell them your story and how you feel. I know, it will put you on the spot, but you will get it out. Also, I have found that tests come in a variety of ways and in ways that we think should not happen. The thing you need to do is what you feel you should do. We do support you but your home ward needs to know you are there. And, though it seems obvious to you, clearly is not obvious to them. 1
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 My testimony was not shaken by any of this. Just the feeling of being welcomed. As I stated, I will not give up. It was just discouraging.That is understandable.
UtahTexan Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 If you really want to throw them for a loop wait for the next fast and testimony meeting. And then tell them your story and how you feel. I know, it will put you on the spot, but you will get it out. Also, I have found that tests come in a variety of ways and in ways that we think should not happen. The thing you need to do is what you feel you should do. We do support you but your home ward needs to know you are there. And, though it seems obvious to you, clearly is not obvious to them.Can you give a testimony if you are not rebaptized yet?
rpn Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Yes, if you have a testimony of gospel principles, you can testify of them at Fast and Testimony meeting (provided you were not excommunicated or were not under any kind of discipline when you left the church). I've heard investigators, exchange students and even a visiting catholic nun bear testimony in an LDS church.
Calm Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) Rebaptism tends to imply excommunication (assuming that CB knows that he wouldn't need to get rebaptized if he just went inactive)…..I wonder if it would still apply after all these years though, especially since he is not attempting to draw anyone else into doubt, etc. CB, whatever you decide, if you do eventually mention the need to be more welcoming in a testimony, I hope you wait long enough to be able to share some positive stories aobut ward members as well. I think the entire message will go over better and people will be less defensive and listening more if you have examples of both what to do and what not to do. Edited March 9, 2015 by calmoriah
UtahTexan Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Rebaptism tends to imply excommunication (assuming that CB knows that he wouldn't need to get rebaptized if he just went inactive)…..I wonder if it would still apply after all these years though, especially since he is not attempting to draw anyone else into doubt, etc. CB, whatever you decide, if you do eventually mention the need to be more welcoming in a testimony, I hope you wait long enough to be able to share some positive stories aobut ward members as well. I think the entire message will go over better and people will be less defensive and listening more if you have examples of both what to do and what not to do. In 1989, I lost my testimony. Some bad things went on due to members there. I finally had enough and sent a letter to the Bishop asking for my name to be take off the Church Records...I stated I no longer wanted to be a member. I figured that was it. About 3 months later, I received a letter that they were holding a Church Court. Of course, I did not attend. In my mind, I was no longer LDS, so there was no need to attend. A few weeks later, I received a letter saying I had been excommunicated. I never knew the reason.
Calm Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) Back then, they automatically held a church court and excommunicated anyone who asked for their name to be removed from what I've been told. Unless there was something else going that someone was trying to avoid by having their name removed, I believe they just stated for apostasy. If you want I can doublecheck. Can't remember when they changed the rules and now they just pull the name off the list of members, though of course they must keep track of it in other ways so that if anyone wants to get rebaptized they can just reinstate the other ordinances as original done. Edited March 10, 2015 by calmoriah
UtahTexan Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 I will take any help I can get...no one contacted me today.....
UtahTexan Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 I have an APP....Daily LDS Verse. Today's verse is 2Nephi 2:11 another coincidence? I enjoy the "aha!" moments..... 1
Tacenda Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 I have an APP....Daily LDS Verse.Today's verse is 2Nephi 2:11another coincidence?I enjoy the "aha!" moments.....I'm sleep deprived, what do you mean? Or I could go read it and that might be the answer.
Tacenda Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) In 1989, I lost my testimony. Some bad things went on due to members there. I finally had enough and sent a letter to the Bishop asking for my name to be take off the Church Records...I stated I no longer wanted to be a member. I figured that was it.About 3 months later, I received a letter that they were holding a Church Court. Of course, I did not attend. In my mind, I was no longer LDS, so there was no need to attend.A few weeks later, I received a letter saying I had been excommunicated. I never knew the reason.If you don't mind me asking, how did you find your testimony, or did you create a new way to make it true? ETA: Disregard this dumb post, really nosy! Edited March 11, 2015 by Tacenda
UtahTexan Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 I'm sleep deprived, what do you mean? Or I could go read it and that might be the answer. 11 For it must needs be, that there is an aopposition in all things. If not so, my first-born in the wilderness, righteousness could not be brought to pass, neither wickedness, neither holiness nor misery, neither good nor bad. Wherefore, all things must needs be a compound in one; wherefore, if it should be one body it must needs remain as dead, having no life neither death, nor corruption nor incorruption, happiness nor misery, neither sense nor insensibility. I have been discouraged....but....this verse comforted me....... 2
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 Can you give a testimony if you are not rebaptized yet?Yes. I remember having investigators on my mission bear testimony before hey we they were baptized. Are you sure you need to be rebaptized?
UtahTexan Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 Yes. I remember having investigators on my mission bear testimony before hey we they were baptized. Are you sure you need to be rebaptized? I dunno. I guess I felt I did because of I was Ex'd.
UtahTexan Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 I just know that, for years I felt conflicted and pulled. I resisted because of what I had gone through, because I had no testimony, and because I liked being Catholic. But, for the first time in over 5 years, I feel at peace. I feel right. I pray the feeling stays. 3
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 I dunno. I guess I felt I did because of I was Ex'd.Well, You might want to ask the bishop.. I mean, at the same time, you could take the "What Mama doesn't know won't hurt Mama" road. I actually don't know. Part of me would just bear it anyway and give a back ground. But at the same time part of me, if I were bishop, would want to know what was going on before hand so I was not caught off guard. This is just in general not meaning that anything bad happens or could happen.
rpn Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 If you resigned, then you will need to be rebaptized. If you were ex'd (even if because you resigned), you will need to be rebaptized, but the process is different. The bishop (if you were not endowed, otherwise the SP) has to have another disciplinary counsel and determine whether you should be rebaptized. Then you are, and then your priesthood will be restored by an ordinance (rather than being ordained again). Your member record will have only the original dates of all your ordinances on it, thereafter. So, yes, you will need to talk to your bishop, and he will have to find the old records of the disciplinary counsel (which he will get from SL).
Tacenda Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 Do you mean most recently?Or the first time?I've just seen a change in your posting...wondering what changed. But like I already mentioned, I'm kinda nosy.
Stargazer Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 You may be skeptical if you've never done that, but I have. I have multiple profiles on multiple dating sites ... in keeping with my Dissociative Identity Disorder. Even stranger than that, I've had women come up to me whom, to the best of my knowledge, I've never met and do not know and tell me they enjoyed the recent evening they spent in my company. (Must've been one of my "alters.") Seriously, though: I have attempted to register at more than one site (both dating sites and others), only to realize I previously had done so. If you haven't, I daresay you are in the minority among people who spend a lot of time on line. I have to agree. It happened today again to me. I tried to register on the Washington state employees Careers website and got told I was already registered. I seriously cannot remember having done it before, but apparently I did. And not long ago, either. Did someone happen to see where I left my brain? I thought I left it right here, but it has wandered away again. :-)
saemo Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) I just know that, for years I felt conflicted and pulled. I resisted because of what I had gone through, because I had no testimony, and because I liked being Catholic. But, for the first time in over 5 years, I feel at peace. I feel right. I pray the feeling stays.Perhaps letting go of the past and forgiving the wrongs against us, is what brings peace. In my view, this occurs in and through Christ and if it were me I would think on where it is He is best followed. That's my view anyway. Abide in Him, is my mantra, as all else comes and go. He is the only sureness I've got. For myself, as a once-Mormon, now Catholic, being able to sit in a Mormon Sacrament and feel peace would be a large indicator that Christ has led me to Him, not necessarily to Mormonism. By that I mean, it would be an indicator that I have made peace with the past, and as I said, is done in and through Christ. Plus, leaving the Eucharist would be huge. Edited March 12, 2015 by saemo
UtahTexan Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Perhaps letting go of the past and forgiving the wrongs against us, is what brings peace. In my view, this occurs in and through Christ and if it were me I would think on where it is He is best followed. That's my view anyway. Abide in Him, is my mantra, as all else comes and go. He is the only sureness I've got. For myself, as a once-Mormon, now Catholic, being able to sit in a Mormon Sacrament and feel peace would be a large indicator that Christ has led me to Him, not necessarily to Mormonism. By that I mean, it would be an indicator that I have made peace with the past, and as I said, is done in and through Christ. Plus, leaving the Eucharist would be huge. To me, the Words of John 6 will always apply when done in HIS name. So, I am not leaving anything. I was a faithful Catholic....but, I have never been able to let go of the pull back...and with what has happened in the last 7 months, I believe it is clear where God wants me. Add to that, the changes that seem to be coming to the Catholic Church. And since there is no "Revelation" one must ask why those changes are coming. Bottom line.....I will be where God wants me. Edited March 12, 2015 by CountryBoy
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