theplains Posted April 20 Posted April 20 From a seminary manual: Doctrine and Covenants 77:11. “Sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand” Some have supposed that the sealing of the 144,000 mentioned in Revelation 7:3–8 refers to the total number of people who will be exalted in the celestial kingdom. However, the Lord clarified that this is the number of high priests who are “ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people” to “administer the everlasting gospel” and help bring people “to the church of the Firstborn” (D&C 77:11). The Prophet Joseph Smith learned that the Church of the Firstborn refers to the Savior's heavenly Church, which comprises all those who are exalted in the celestial kingdom of God (see D&C 76:54; 88:4–5). Thus, the 144,000 are those who minister in the latter days to bring people to Jesus Christ and help them obtain exaltation (Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual, Religion 324–325, 2017). Is this ministry of the exalted 144,000 ones currently in progress or does it begin in the Millennium?
Pyreaux Posted April 20 Posted April 20 Millennium I think. There could be preparatory work now and a full-scale operation during the Millennium. The "sealing" of these servants as mentioned in Revelation 7 is generally viewed by scholars as a protective and ordaining act that happens before the greatest destructions of the last days. I'm 120% with Joseph Smith's interpretation, the "seal in their foreheads" is most definitely the High Priest’s diadem or the High Priest's anointing with the sign of the name. The 144,000 are indeed priests. Whether they are all currently on earth now or yet to be called or if many are serving from the other side of the veil and will return, I don't know. 2
The Nehor Posted April 20 Posted April 20 144,000 appears to be a symbolic number in the Book of Revelation. 12 * 12 * 1,000 = 144,000. Most likely 12 apostles/disciples multiplied by the 12 tribes multiplied by a thousand probably representing completeness or a totality of people or something along those lines. 3
longview Posted April 21 Posted April 21 23 hours ago, The Nehor said: 144,000 appears to be a symbolic number in the Book of Revelation. 12 * 12 * 1,000 = 144,000. Most likely 12 apostles/disciples multiplied by the 12 tribes multiplied by a thousand probably representing completeness or a totality of people or something along those lines. Or this could represent the total number of missionaries that will "max out" during the tribulation period. Currently we have: Missionaries Full-time teaching missionaries 78,596 Senior service missionaries 31,613 Young service missionaries 4,518 For a total of 114,727. We only got 29,273 to go. Unless we only want to count full-time missionaries then we need to grow the force by another 65,404.
Kenngo1969 Posted April 23 Posted April 23 On 4/21/2026 at 4:29 PM, longview said: Or this could represent the total number of missionaries that will "max out" during the tribulation period. Currently we have: Missionaries Full-time teaching missionaries 78,596 Senior service missionaries 31,613 Young service missionaries 4,518 For a total of 114,727. We only got 29,273 to go. Unless we only want to count full-time missionaries then we need to grow the force by another 65,404. Except that Doctrine and Covenants 77 specifically identifies the 144,000 as High Priests ordained to administer the Gospel (in its broader [or narrower, if you prefer] context, I suppose it could be concluded that missionaries "administer" the Gospel, but I've always thought [perhaps erroneously] that the "administration" performed by the 144,000 is a bit broader than that). For what it's worth, I asked Gemini: Quote According to Latter-day Saint doctrine and the Book of Revelation in the Holy Bible, are the 144,000 to be High Priests, or could they be Elders? Here is its response: Quote The question of the identity and office of the 144,000 involves an intersection between the New Testament text and modern revelation found in the Doctrine and Covenants. Biblical Context (The Book of Revelation) In the New Testament, the 144,000 are mentioned in Revelation 7 and Revelation 14. The text describes them as servants of God who are "sealed in their foreheads" and follow the Lamb. While the Biblical text emphasizes their purity and their role as a "firstfruits" unto God, it does not specifically use the term "High Priest" or "Elder" to describe their priesthood office. Latter-day Saint Doctrine Latter-day Saint theology provides specific clarification on this group through Section 77 of the Doctrine and Covenants, which is a series of inspired questions and answers regarding the Book of Revelation. According to D&C 77:11, the 144,000 are specifically identified as High Priests: "We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn." Elders vs. High Priests While both Elders and High Priests hold the Melchizedek Priesthood, the distinction in this specific doctrinal context is significant: The Office: The revelation explicitly names the office of High Priest. In Latter-day Saint administration, the office of High Priest is generally associated with a calling to preside and hold specific administrative or spiritual oversight. The Mission: The 144,000 are described as being "ordained out of every nation" to a specific mission of gathering and administering the "everlasting gospel." Summary According to the interpretive framework of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the 144,000 mentioned in Revelation are High Priests ordained to the holy order of God for a specific global ministry in the latter days. While Elders hold the same Priesthood (Melchizedek), the scriptural definition in D&C 77 specifies the higher office. 1
longview Posted April 23 Posted April 23 7 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said: Except that Doctrine and Covenants 77 specifically identifies the 144,000 as High Priests ordained to administer the Gospel (in its broader [or narrower, if you prefer] context, I suppose it could be concluded that missionaries "administer" the Gospel, but I've always thought [perhaps erroneously] that the "administration" performed by the 144,000 is a bit broader than that). Interesting. If ward members are called into the bishopric, they have to be ordained into the office of High Priest. This makes me wonder if that is also the requirement for men called into the Seventies Quorum (third highest echelon of the Church). I believe there are now 12 quorums. So 12 times 70 is 840. If the number of quorums is greatly expanded to accommodate 144,000 - how many quorums would that be? Divide 144,000 by 70 is roughly 2,057. How fast would the Church have to grow to reach that number?
webbles Posted April 23 Posted April 23 (edited) 12 minutes ago, longview said: Interesting. If ward members are called into the bishopric, they have to be ordained into the office of High Priest. This makes me wonder if that is also the requirement for men called into the Seventies Quorum (third highest echelon of the Church). I believe there are now 12 quorums. So 12 times 70 is 840. If the number of quorums is greatly expanded to accommodate 144,000 - how many quorums would that be? Divide 144,000 by 70 is roughly 2,057. How fast would the Church have to grow to reach that number? Yes, all those called into the Area Seventies or General Authority Seventies are also a High Priest. And there are lots of High Priests because the previous practice was for basically anyone over the age of 60 was ordained to the office of High Priest. Overtime, the amount will get less since now it is limited to those that are called into a position that requires to be a High Priest (bishopric, stake presidencies, stake high counselors, etc). Edited April 23 by webbles 1
JLHPROF Posted April 26 Posted April 26 (edited) 144,000 isn't a limiting number or a symbolic estimate. It's the quorum number (12 Deacons, 24 Teachers, 48 Priests, 96 Elders etc). And just like with quorums exceeding that number they can go over or potentially form a second quorum. And the Office is not High Priest as in the wards. Think about the higher level of priest from the temple initiatories - hence sealed high priests, not ordained. See also Alma 13. Edited April 26 by JLHPROF 2
Calm Posted April 26 Posted April 26 38 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: And the Office is not High Priest as in the wards. Think about the higher level of priest from the temple initiatories - hence sealed high priests, not ordained That makes more sense given the offices in the Church seem to me to be primarily administrative labels allowing ease of tracking and assignment, but I am an observer more or less in this case and haven’t had much instruction on the meaning of the church roles, so could be very wrong.
RevTestament Posted April 29 Posted April 29 On 4/20/2026 at 4:58 PM, The Nehor said: 144,000 appears to be a symbolic number in the Book of Revelation. 12 * 12 * 1,000 = 144,000. Most likely 12 apostles/disciples multiplied by the 12 tribes multiplied by a thousand probably representing completeness or a totality of people or something along those lines. Nope(I see you are still trying to perform your strangely perverted work... don't get mad at me.... your words or very close thereto) and On 4/26/2026 at 1:29 PM, JLHPROF said: 144,000 ... It's the quorum number (12 Deacons, 24 Teachers, 48 Priests, 96 Elders etc). And just like with quorums exceeding that number they can go over or potentially form a second quorum. And the Office is not High Priest as in the wards. Think about the higher level of priest from the temple initiatories - hence sealed high priests, not ordained. See also Alma 13. Nope. It is the foreordained who were valliant in the prior world and became "teachers" or prophets, seers and revelators. They are all sealed unto God by the end of the sixth seal...hmmm..... 1
The Nehor Posted April 29 Posted April 29 4 hours ago, RevTestament said: Nope(I see you are still trying to perform your strangely perverted work... don't get mad at me.... your words or very close thereto) Meh, this might be perverted work but I much more strangely perverted things in other areas of my life so this is mild by comparison. 4 hours ago, RevTestament said: and Nope. It is the foreordained who were valliant in the prior world and became "teachers" or prophets, seers and revelators. They are all sealed unto God by the end of the sixth seal...hmmm..... Or it is the semi-coded ranting of a very angry Christian writing a revenge fantasy about God torturing for eternity those who hurt the Saints that barely got into the New Testament due to some weird shenanigans.
PacMan Posted May 10 Posted May 10 On 4/26/2026 at 1:29 PM, JLHPROF said: 144,000 isn't a limiting number or a symbolic estimate. It's the quorum number (12 Deacons, 24 Teachers, 48 Priests, 96 Elders etc). And just like with quorums exceeding that number they can go over or potentially form a second quorum. And the Office is not High Priest as in the wards. Think about the higher level of priest from the temple initiatories - hence sealed high priests, not ordained. See also Alma 13. 144,000 goes one step beyond this. But this is by far the most correct answer among the others. 1
Tacenda Posted May 11 Posted May 11 On 5/9/2026 at 9:30 PM, PacMan said: 144,000 goes one step beyond this. But this is by far the most correct answer among the others. Good to see some people like Smac and JLHProf and you around!
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