Shots fired on my campus today. Charlie Kirk TPUSA leader dead

[sunstoned]

Charlie Kirk, a popular conservative commentator, was fatally shot while speaking to a large crowd at Utah Valley University in Orem, Utah, on Wednesday. He was 31.

A spokesperson for Turning Point USA, an organization that advocates for conservative politics on high school and university campuses, confirmed that Kirk died following the shooting.

The shooter is still at large. and the UVU campus is closed.





https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/live/char ... OTWs5tX0s7

Edited September 10, 2025 by sunstoned

[MustardSeed]

I’ve written something and erased it five times. 
There’s no more to say. We are lost.

[ZealouslyStriving]

I've have, 99% of the time, been politically silent on social media, trying not to upset friends or relatives with different opinions.

After today, that all changes.

I will do my best to not be contentious- but I will not be silent. 😡

QEPD Charlie. 😢

[Calm]

My grandson was there with friends.  Haven’t talked to him yet, just exchanged “I love you” texts.  What do you say to someone who witnesses a murder?

My husband is sick at heart (retired UVU professor, now bus driver for sports teams for fun).  Pissed off the event wasn’t inside with more security.  Apparently it was a student club thing and not a university admin/faculty planned event, so they held it in the quad.

Too unreal for me to even process.

A high school in my sister’s (she just retired full time teaching last year, still subs a lot) school district in the Denver area had four students injured in a shooting, two critically with gunshot wounds, one of them is the shooter.  Another sustained injury while fleeing and a third it’s unknown from the article I read.

https://www.cpr.org/2025/09/10/evergreen-high-school-shooting/

Bizarre that three of my near and dear are so impacted on the same day.  What the hell is going on?

Added:  it happened in Colorado during lunchtime and the kids didn’t know what to do.  Looks like drills during lunchtime will now be added to our youths’ every day lives.

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/shooting-evergreen-high-school-denver-metro-area/

Edited September 10, 2025 by Calm

[sunstoned]

It was in the quad.  No tickets needed.  Kirk did have a security team in place.  They believe the shot came from the roof.

Edited September 10, 2025 by sunstoned

[Calm]

26 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

I've have, 99% of the time, been politically silent on social media, trying not to upset friends or relatives with different opinions.

After today, that all changes.

I will do my best to not be contentious- but I will not be silent. 😡

QEPD Charlie. 😢

And how will that help?

[ZealouslyStriving]

7 minutes ago, Calm said:

And how will that help?

This was political terrorism.

Silence is what they want.

I refuse to comply.

And if I share without contention- why should you question it.

[Calm]

26 minutes ago, sunstoned said:

They believe the shot came from the roof.

So it was not someone in the front rows as suspected.  I wonder how this will affect future outdoor events in the quad.

[Calm]

15 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

This was political terrorism.

Silence is what they want.

I refuse to comply.

And if I share without contention- why should you question it.

If it’s an isolated shooter, it’s a different motivation than organized terrorism using intimidation tactics.  Imo, lone shooters want to promote noise…mostly about themselves, they enjoy the battle.

I am not suggesting you not speak up.  I just don’t see why it likely matters in this case.  If it is an organized movement or the shooter is actually attempting to intimidate other speakers and not just a loner, I have no problem saying I am wrong.

Edited September 11, 2025 by Calm

[ZealouslyStriving]

5 minutes ago, Calm said:

If it’s an isolated shooter, it’s a different motivation than organized terrorism using intimidation tactics.  Imo, lone shooters want to promote noise…mostly about themselves, they enjoy the battle.

I am not suggesting you not speak up.  I just don’t see why it likely matters in this case.  If it is an organized movement or the shooter is actually attempting to intimidate other speakers and not just a loner, I have no problem saying I am wrong.

The shooter was 2 football fields away, Charlie was sitting under a tent, but he managed to hit him in the neck.

This wasn't a random act of violence by a crazy person.

[Peacefully]

5 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

The shooter was 2 football fields away, Charlie was sitting under a tent, but he managed to hit him in the neck.

This wasn't a random act of violence by a crazy person.

Sorry, I wasn’t trying to quote you. I don’t know how to delete it. 

Edited September 11, 2025 by Peacefully

[Peacefully]

Politics be damned! This is so sad and so wrong. 

[Tacenda]

17 hours ago, Calm said:

My grandson was there with friends.  Haven’t talked to him yet, just exchanged “I love you” texts.  What do you say to someone who witnesses a murder?

My husband is sick at heart (retired UVU professor, now bus driver for sports teams for fun).  Pissed off the event wasn’t inside with more security.  Apparently it was a student club thing and not a university admin/faculty planned event, so they held it in the quad.

Too unreal for me to even process.

A high school in my sister’s (she just retired full time teaching last year, still subs a lot) school district in the Denver area had four students injured in a shooting, two critically with gunshot wounds, one of them is the shooter.  Another sustained injury while fleeing and a third it’s unknown from the article I read.

https://www.cpr.org/2025/09/10/evergreen-high-school-shooting/

Bizarre that three of my near and dear are so impacted on the same day.  What the hell is going on?

Added:  it happened in Colorado during lunchtime and the kids didn’t know what to do.  Looks like drills during lunchtime will now be added to our youths’ every day lives.

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/shooting-evergreen-high-school-denver-metro-area/

I am heartsick as well with the shootings you mentioned and this. When I watched the news coverage and saw the area that the event with Charlie occurred it appeared that he was like a dead duck to begin with. The surrounding balcony seating and no security with people just walking there and not checked such as backpacks etc. I was interested in watching the event at a later time if it was video'd, yesterday and thought it would be inside. This should have taken place in an enclosed secure arena, especially with all the politically motivated shootings beforehand.

I wish the school had been better prepared but hate to place blame because this will have a dark shadow over it for a long time. And those students that had to witness it is devastating. I don't agree with Charlie on many things, but did like that he'd want the opposite view on things. And that he's a father, husband etc.  And it was sad to see him carried to a regular vehicle and not be in an ambulance where they maybe could have done more to save his life. But understand the mindset his security team were in. 

I hope your grandson and his friends will be okay after this, along with your sister and husband. This affected me so much, and glad it did because I don't want to become desensitized. But do worry for those that will not be the same again. I'm P'O'd too! 

 

 

Edited September 11, 2025 by Tacenda

[Duncan]

I wonder how the national guard will find being in Orem, Utah? hmm

[bluebell]

46 minutes ago, Duncan said:

I wonder how the national guard will find being in Orem, Utah? hmm

There's a lot of national guard stationed there already (because they tend to be stationed where they live and lots of people are in the national guard in every state), so I bet they'll pull a lot from the people who are already local.  But they might send it more if they don't have enough I guess.

[The Nehor]

Quote

"“Why has he not been bailed out?” Kirk said Monday on his podcast of the man who allegedly beat House Speaker Nancy Pelosi‘s husband Paul with a hammer last Friday. “By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out, I bet his bail’s like thirty or forty thousand bucks.” With a smirk, he added: “Bail him out and then go ask him some questions.”

Encourages and applauds political violence, dies by political violence. There is probably a lesson in there somewhere.

[Raingirl]

3 hours ago, Tacenda said:

I am heartsick as well with the shootings you mentioned and this. When I watched the news coverage and saw the area that the event with Charley occurred it appeared that he was like a dead duck to begin with. The surrounding balcony seating and no security with people just walking there and not checked such as backpacks etc. I was interested in watching the event at a later time if it was video'd, yesterday and thought it would be inside. This should have taken place in an enclosed secure arena, especially with all the politically motivated shootings beforehand.

I wish the school had been better prepared but hate to place blame because this will have a dark shadow over it for a long time. And those students that had to witness it is devastating. I don't agree with Charlie on many things, but did like that he'd want the opposite view on things. And that he's a father, husband etc.  And it was sad to see him carried to a regular vehicle and not be in an ambulance where they maybe could have done more to save his life. But understand the mindset his security team were in. 

I hope your grandson and his friends will be okay after this, along with your sister and husband. This affected me so much, and glad it did because I don't want to become desensitized. But do worry for those that will not be the same again. I'm P'O'd too! 

 

 

An ambulance would not have helped.  I saw close up footage. He was dead within seconds. He lost liters of blood within seconds.  There was no coming back from the type of injury he had. 

[The Nehor]

13 minutes ago, Raingirl said:

An ambulance would not have helped.  I saw close up footage. He was dead within seconds. He lost liters of blood within seconds.  There was no coming back from the type of injury he had. 

I saw the video. If the tent behind him was a fully staffed top tier trauma center he still wouldn’t have made it.

[bluebell]

28 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Encourages and applauds political violence, dies by political violence. There is probably a lesson in there somewhere.

The lesson is that it’s as wrong when it happens to someone you politically agree with as it is when it happens to someone you don’t.

[The Nehor]

15 minutes ago, bluebell said:

The lesson is that it’s as wrong when it happens to someone you politically agree with as it is when it happens to someone you don’t.

I think the lesson is that it is much more poetic when you die by a method you actively advocate for. He doesn’t have a problem with the method, just the target.

I can’t “both sides” this as equal. One group of people want to put down the rabid man-eating tiger and another advocates for preserving the man-eating tiger because it seems to eat more people they disagree with. When one of the primary pro-man-eating tiger advocates gets eaten by the tiger that is a twisted form of justice. It is the kind of thing that happens to villains at the end of stories so the hero isn’t responsible for it and the death feels deserved.

I mean the whole thing seems almost deliberately staged to showcase this lesson. Someone asked him how many shootings there were in the US every year and he did his smug condescending thing with a counter question: “Counting or not counting gang violence?" Then he got shot. What a fitting line for him to go out on.

I’ve complained that the writers for our timeline have been phoning it in for the last few seasons but that was quality drama. At least some of the writers are still trying.

[Calm]

5 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Then he got shot. What a fitting line for him to go out on.

My guess is the shooter was anticipating similar comments, listening in to choose his moment.

[The Nehor]

Just now, Calm said:

My guess is the shooter was anticipating similar comments, listening in to choose his moment.

Possible but that is real dedication. I find it more likely the shooter just took the shot when they were pretty sure they had it. Waiting for the ‘dramatic moment’ would be very stupid. It is of course possible that the shooter is very stupid and did wait. I don’t know.

[Calm]

4 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Possible but that is real dedication. I find it more likely the shooter just took the shot when they were pretty sure they had it. Waiting for the ‘dramatic moment’ would be very stupid. It is of course possible that the shooter is very stupid and did wait. I don’t know.

If someone has gotten to the point they think taking out a political celebrity in public (or private) is a good idea, I am willing to grant them all sorts of stupidness.

Bet you filmmakers are already imagining how they would play it.  Good way to maximize his notoriety.

If they catch him, he might claim that’s what he did even if he didn’t, so I don’t think we will ever know.

Edited September 11, 2025 by Calm

[The Nehor]

5 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

The shooter was 2 football fields away, Charlie was sitting under a tent, but he managed to hit him in the neck.

This wasn't a random act of violence by a crazy person.

Being able to shoot accurately does not mean you aren’t crazy. I hope they catch the shooter That person is dangerous.

[rodheadlee]

2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Encourages and applauds political violence, dies by political violence. There is probably a lesson in there somewhere.

Yeah, you are part of the problem.