Tim Ballard Defends Himself

[teddyaware]

Ballard keeps on winning… 

https://kutv.com/news/local/court-dismisses-another-lawsuit-against-tim-ballard-operation-underground-railroad?fbclid=IwY2xjawFHTL9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHeZoCalPA2jxxbb3p4xCxXK_bUZECWeSySWMHpWScd4kSR6ZTVBt6qRpXA_aem_ccAZU0q14YafuF05IQWWzQ

[MustardSeed]

2 minutes ago, teddyaware said:

He doesn’t appear to be the kind of guy

In my opinion he very much seems like the kind of guy to womanize and then lie about it later. 

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, teddyaware said:

Watch the video.

I tried. Within five minutes I didn’t believe a single thing anyone was saying.

2 hours ago, teddyaware said:

Unless Ballard is brazenly lying about things that he knows are soon going to come out in the full view of the public, it’s reasonable to presume that he must be telling the truth. He doesn’t appear to be the kind of guy who would lay the groundwork for his own humiliation and destruction just to buy himself few days to pretend he’s innocent.

That is EXACTLY how people like this operate. They brazenly deny and lie and then when the truth comes out ignore it and keep on brazenly lying. I don’t know why this technique works so well on some people but it definitely does.

He was brazenly lying about apostolic support and that came out. Is he now humiliated and destroyed? Not in the eyes of some people.

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, teddyaware said:

Ballard keeps on winning… 

https://kutv.com/news/local/court-dismisses-another-lawsuit-against-tim-ballard-operation-underground-railroad?fbclid=IwY2xjawFHTL9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHeZoCalPA2jxxbb3p4xCxXK_bUZECWeSySWMHpWScd4kSR6ZTVBt6qRpXA_aem_ccAZU0q14YafuF05IQWWzQ

He can cheer when the rest are dismissed. Even if everything ends up being dismissed Ballard is still a manipulative charlatan. Dismissals are not proof of someone’s character. It just means that legally nothing is actionable.

[Doctor Steuss]

"Ballard doesn't appear to be the kind of guy..."

 

*Tim Ballard's White Board Incident Enters Chat*

https://americancrimejournal.com/acj-investigates/operation-underground-railroad-o-u-r/

 

I still remember (I think it was about 4 years ago) when my local police department's Human Trafficking Task Force called out Ballard for his dishonesty and slimy capitalization on victims for his own self-enrichment, and his hampering legitimate efforts.  It's wild that he's still relevant and has defenders.  But hey, maybe the police officers who deal with human trafficking in LAS VEGAS just don't know how holy and honest and upright Tim Ballard (blessed be his name) really is.  Maybe Ballard was lying when he showed how he planned to funnel money to himself... but being honest everywhere else.

[Dario_M]

1 hour ago, Doctor Steuss said:

"Ballard doesn't appear to be the kind of guy..."

 

*Tim Ballard's White Board Incident Enters Chat*

https://americancrimejournal.com/acj-investigates/operation-underground-railroad-o-u-r/

 

I still remember (I think it was about 4 years ago) when my local police department's Human Trafficking Task Force called out Ballard for his dishonesty and slimy capitalization on victims for his own self-enrichment, and his hampering legitimate efforts.  It's wild that he's still relevant and has defenders.  But hey, maybe the police officers who deal with human trafficking in LAS VEGAS just don't know how holy and honest and upright Tim Ballard (blessed be his name) really is.  Maybe Ballard was lying when he showed how he planned to funnel money to himself... but being honest everywhere else.

He's just telling the truth. Punt intended. 

[smac97]

On 9/5/2024 at 9:08 PM, teddyaware said:

Ballard keeps on winning… 

https://kutv.com/news/local/court-dismisses-another-lawsuit-against-tim-ballard-operation-underground-railroad?fbclid=IwY2xjawFHTL9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHeZoCalPA2jxxbb3p4xCxXK_bUZECWeSySWMHpWScd4kSR6ZTVBt6qRpXA_aem_ccAZU0q14YafuF05IQWWzQ

A few thoughts:

1. Whitehead's Complaint is not publicly available, so I cannot comment on it directly.  However, we have information from the motions filed by the defendants to ascertain some of its contents.  Here is a link to all of the motions filed in this lawsuit pertaining to the dismissal.

2. In my view, that the court dismissed large chunks of Whitehead's lawsuit does not do much to explore the particulars of Tim Ballard's conduct, and instead speaks more to A) the weakness of these legal claims, and B) the potency of a newly-enacted state statute, UPEPA ("Utah Public Expression Protection Act").

3. Whitehead's lawyers appear to be the same set of lawyers that is representing all of the various parties in various lawsuits suing Tim Ballard and OUR.

4. Broadly speaking, it is often more difficult to prosecute a civil case than to defend against one.  That said, Whitehead's attorneys are not doing a very good job so far, and OUR's and Tim Ballard's attorneys are, on the other hand, doing a very good job.  This does not exculpate Tim Ballard, as most of the factual allegations against him remain unexplored (and, FWIW, the factual allegations against him also do not - or ought not - inculpate Tim Ballard either).

5. I generally try to avoid sensationalistic lawsuits like this one, particularly when they have a prurient bent.  The lawsuits against Tim Ballard, however, somewhat implicate the good name and reputation of the Church (insofar as Tim Ballard may have misused his relationship with Elder Ballard, Elder Ballard's name and reputation, etc.).  To that end, I will continue to monitor these lawsuits.

Thanks,

-Smac

Edited September 9, 2024 by smac97

[ttribe]

15 hours ago, teddyaware said:

Watch the video. Unless Ballard is brazenly lying about things that he knows are soon going to come out in the full view of the public, it’s reasonable to presume that he must be telling the truth. He doesn’t appear to be the kind of guy who would lay the groundwork for his own humiliation and destruction just to buy himself few days to pretend he’s innocent.

You have very little experience with fraudsters, it appears. I see people like this quite often.

[Anonymous Mormon]

On 9/4/2024 at 6:49 AM, teddyaware said:

As I’ve said previously, Tim Ballard is either a decent guy who’s getting a bad rap, or he’s the king of sociopaths, a man who’s able to lie brazenly lie while appearing to be earnestly honest and telling the truth. The only wrinkle is that in this recent 2 hour plus interview Ballard appears to ‘have the receipts’ (hard evidence), while some of the legal cases against him are either falling apart or being dismissed.

 

I have followed this fairly closely and I listened to this video and here are my take-aways:

• It appears to me that once suing Tim Ballard became in vogue, everyone started to jump on board - some with seemingly legitimate concerns and some hoping to get money off of the back of those people
• I actually believe just about everything Tim Ballard says in this video is true, when picking apart Ryan Fisher's affidavit. I think he was telling the truth (at least mostly) in his retelling of things here as he remembers them. I will be surprised if Ryan Fisher continues with his lawsuit successfully and if Ryan Fisher can refute the things Tim Ballard said in his defense. 
• The affidavit appears to simply be podcast show notes from the highlights of things that Ryan Fisher said on anti-LDS church podcast in May. The affidavit told the EXACT same points in the EXACT same order with the EXACT same things that are demonstrably false. 
  (I remember thinking at the time that Ryan sounded like me when I describe past business partners with whom I didn't get along - I am sure that they have their own side to tell, but everyone was really acrimonious in their business relationship with everyone feeling they were right. I also remember thinking during parts of the podcast that certain points seemed to be stretching the truth in some of his re-telling)
• I think Ryan Fisher and Suzanne Whitehead have really weak legal cases and just jumped on the suing bandwagon
• However, some of the women that have come forward have pretty good evidence against Ballard that he used the couples ruse to sexually manipulate them. This evidence was strong enough that Glenn Beck, The Blaze, Elder Ballard, the Church and others publicly denounced some of Tim Ballard's actions.
• I think someone can do lots of good, but still make poor choices in some situations. I can only imaging how hard it would be for Tim Ballard to always live in the world of strip clubs for work and not have it impact him in his real-life interactions. I am not making excuses for this, only observations that even those trying hard to do good and doing lots of good in their life, can make poor choices as well
• From the evidence, I think some of the women in the lawsuit may not have been sexually manipulated but were instead willing participants with Tim Ballard. It's weird that they are all lumped together, because some of them don't seem credible.
• I would love for Tim Ballard to be able to prove his innocence in all the accusations, but at this point he hasn't refuted well the worst of the points and the evidence is pretty strong against him on the couples ruse abuses for some of the women (not all of them, mind you)

 

Other comments:

1. I hate that in the Anti-Church-of-Jesus-Christ podcast/blogosphere/Reddit world the Ryan Fisher affidavit is 100% taken at face value, even though some of it seems over the top. For example, an anti-church podcast did an episode on the church trying to 'Infiltrate Evangelical Christianity' using the Fisher affidavit as their main point (and they started the episode by saying, 'I was really hoping we would not [have to talk about Tim Ballard ever again].' - Yeah right, Tim Ballard is great anti-LDS material and someone making stuff up about him is even better).  Now, everything in this affidavit will be quoted as 'fact' and 'proof,' even though it is basically one guy's opinions.
    
2. Does anyone know how they handle legally a group lawsuit like this if some of the women were sexually manipulated and some were willing partners or were never abused but just hoping to get money? How does the court separate that out? Maybe @smac97 can help on that front.

[smac97]

On 9/4/2024 at 6:49 AM, teddyaware said:

As I’ve said previously, Tim Ballard is either a decent guy who’s getting a bad rap, or he’s the king of sociopaths, a man who’s able to lie brazenly lie while appearing to be earnestly honest and telling the truth.

There is a third option, which is that Tim Ballard did some morally reprehensible - but not legally actionable - things with the women making allegations against him, and also that these women are taking an everthing-and-the-kitchen-sink approach in their allegations, which may include exaggerating or fabricating claims.

Thanks,

-Smac

[smac97]

36 minutes ago, Anonymous Mormon said:

I have followed this fairly closely and I listened to this video and here are my take-aways:

...

• I actually believe just about everything Tim Ballard says in this video is true, when picking apart Ryan Fisher's affidavit. I think he was telling the truth (at least mostly) in his retelling of things here as he remembers them. I will be surprised if Ryan Fisher continues with his lawsuit successfully and if Ryan Fisher can refute the things Tim Ballard said in his defense. 

Ryan Fisher is, I believe, only a witness in the lawsuit, not a plaintiff in it.

36 minutes ago, Anonymous Mormon said:

• However, some of the women that have come forward have pretty good evidence against Ballard that he used the couples ruse to sexually manipulate them. This evidence was strong enough that Glenn Beck, The Blaze, Elder Ballard, the Church and others publicly denounced some of Tim Ballard's actions.

This is my provisional assessment.

36 minutes ago, Anonymous Mormon said:

• From the evidence, I think some of the women in the lawsuit may not have been sexually manipulated but were instead willing participants with Tim Ballard. It's weird that they are all lumped together, because some of them don't seem credible.

I think it is difficult, from a legal standpoint, to differentiate women who were "sexually manipulated" from women who were "willing participants."  My recollection is that the allegations against Tim Ballard sound terrible from a Latter-day Saint perspective, but that they do not include allegations of force, coercion or deceit.  A man coaxing and wheedling a woman into sexual behavior is generally not going to be legally actionable.  These women are adults, and apparently made decisions for themselves.  There are no allegations that Tim Ballard undermined their free will (using force, threats, coercion, deceit, drugs, whatever).  We as a society ought not infantilize women by casting them as victims rather than the masters of their own poor choices.

36 minutes ago, Anonymous Mormon said:

• I would love for Tim Ballard to be able to prove his innocence in all the accusations, but at this point he hasn't refuted well the worst of the points and the evidence is pretty strong against him on the couples ruse abuses for some of the women (not all of them, mind you)

As to matters of sexual impropriety and dishonest/corrupt business practices, I'm pretty indifferent to that stuff, except to the extent these matters implicate the interests of the Church and its reputation.

36 minutes ago, Anonymous Mormon said:

Does anyone know how they handle legally a group lawsuit like this if some of the women were sexually manipulated and some were willing partners or were never abused but just hoping to get money? How does the court separate that out? Maybe @smac97 can help on that front.

Nothing new here.  The plaintiffs present their legal claims, collect evidence, present it to a judge.  Tim Ballard's attorneys critique these efforts and gather evidence in defense of their client.

Again, in the seeming absence of allegations against Tim Ballard involving him resorting to force, coercion or deceit, I think it is difficult to differentiate "sexually manipulated" women from those who were "willing partners."

Thanks,

-Smac

[teddyaware]

1 hour ago, smac97 said:

There is a third option, which is that Tim Ballard did some morally reprehensible - but not legally actionable - things with the women making allegations against him, and also that these women are taking an everthing-and-the-kitchen-sink approach in their allegations, which may include exaggerating or fabricating claims.

Thanks,

-Smac

My opinion is that, by necessity, a sexually charged atmosphere had to be created in order successfully escape detection during the child trafficking undercover work. And as many sexual abuse victims will tell you, in sexually charged atmospheres their very human bodies often betrayed them by responding to the unwanted sexual stimuli with arousal, even when participation in the abuse is the last thing they wanted to do.

In light of the above, I believe what likely happened is that the women who are charging Ballard with sexual abuse are feeling guilt stricken due to their willing participation in a job the required them to convincingly coming off as practicing sex perverts, and now, months or years after their willing participation, they want to put all the blame for their feelings of guilt and remorse of conscience exclusively on Ballard, when what they should have done was back out of their participation in the very beginning, at the time when they first started to feel uncomfortable and conflicted. The best way to convince others you’re a sexual pervert is to convincingly behave as if you really are a sexual pervert, and convincingly acting like authentic sex perverts was the most essential element of their job description.

Given this emotionally volitile state of affairs, all some eager beaver lawyers had to do is couple the female accuser’s guilty consciences. and resentments toward Ballard, with the promise of big financial payouts, to compensate them for the abuse they say they suffered, and you have Ballard’s present legal woes. But all Ballard will likely have to do is demonstrate that his coworkers needed to convincingly portray themself as oversexed perverts in order to not be killed by hardened criminals and the charges will be thrown out the window. I can just hear Ballard’s lawyer’s as they come down hard on the accusers insisting, “why did you continue to participate in the sex abuse undercover work when you could have backed out at any time?!”

Edited September 6, 2024 by teddyaware

[ttribe]

21 minutes ago, teddyaware said:

My opinion is that, by necessity, a sexually charged atmosphere had to be created in order successfully escape detection during the child trafficking undercover work. And as many sexual abuse victims will tell you, in sexually charged atmospheres their very human bodies often betrayed them by responding to the unwanted sexual stimuli with arousal, even when participation in the abuse is the last thing they wanted to do.

In light of the above, I believe what likely happened is that the women who are charging Ballard with sexual abuse are feeling guilt stricken due to their willing participation in a job the required them to convincingly coming off as practicing sex perverts, and now, months or years after their willing participation, they want to put all the blame for their feelings of guilt and remorse of conscience exclusively on Ballard, when what they should have done was back out of their participation in the very beginning, at the time when they first started to feel uncomfortable and conflicted. The best way to convince others you’re a sexual pervert is to convincingly behave as if you really are a sexual pervert, and convincingly acting like authentic sex perverts was the most essential element of their job description.

Given this emotionally volitile state of affairs, all some eager beaver lawyers had to do is couple the female accuser’s guilty consciences. and resentments toward Ballard, with the promise of big financial payouts, to compensate them for the abuse they say they suffered, and you have Ballard’s present legal woes. But all Ballard will likely have to do is demonstrate that his coworkers needed to convincingly portray themself as oversexed perverts in order to not be killed by hardened criminals and the charges will be thrown out the window. I can just hear Ballard’s lawyer’s as they come down hard on the accusers insisting, “why did you continue to participate in the sex abuse undercover work when you could have backed out at any time?!”

This is what we call "blaming the victim."

[Anonymous Mormon]

2 hours ago, teddyaware said:

My opinion is that, by necessity, a sexually charged atmosphere had to be created in order successfully escape detection during the child trafficking undercover work.

@teddyaware - I agree with this statement and said something similar in my comment above:

"I can only imagine how hard it would be for Tim Ballard to always live in the world of strip clubs for work and not have it impact him in his real-life interactions"

 

Do you believe it's also possible that maybe Tim Ballard got caught up in the moment while travelling with these attractive women who were pretending to be his hyper-sexual wife? Do you think he could be guilty of crossing the lines of covenants he made in the temple? 

 

 

2 hours ago, teddyaware said:

In light of the above, I believe what likely happened is that the women who are charging Ballard with sexual abuse are feeling guilt stricken due to their willing participation in a job the required them to convincingly coming off as practicing sex perverts,

Do you think they could also feel guilt for crossing lines with Tim that weren't required for the job?

 

I guess I am just curious if you feel that Tim Ballard is 100% innocent not only of crimes, but also of any impropriety / immorality in all of this?

 

[The Nehor]

5 hours ago, teddyaware said:

My opinion is that, by necessity, a sexually charged atmosphere had to be created in order successfully escape detection during the child trafficking undercover work.

That is just not the case. Ballard kept selling how vital it was that the women he was going “undercover” with had to comfortable pretending to be sexual with him or they might expose the ruse. That is his excuse. It is not true.

5 hours ago, teddyaware said:

And as many sexual abuse victims will tell you, in sexually charged atmospheres their very human bodies often betrayed them by responding to the unwanted sexual stimuli with arousal, even when participation in the abuse is the last thing they wanted to do.

This occurs when being groped (or worse) during a sexual assault. It is not what happens when you have to “practice” being sexual as part of an undercover sting operation. Unless Ballard was groping or assaulting them.

5 hours ago, teddyaware said:

In light of the above, I believe what likely happened is that the women who are charging Ballard with sexual abuse are feeling guilt stricken due to their willing participation in a job the required them to convincingly coming off as practicing sex perverts, and now, months or years after their willing participation, they want to put all the blame for their feelings of guilt and remorse of conscience exclusively on Ballard, when what they should have done was back out of their participation in the very beginning, at the time when they first started to feel uncomfortable and conflicted.

None of the lawsuits I know of are about having to pretend to be sexually into children. Ballard didn’t seem to teach that part of the undercover bit. Instead it was always about pretending to be into him and interacting with him (both digitally and in person) as if they are a couple. That is not being a sex pervert. That is a guy saying it is vital that women practice being into him because he says it is vital to the mission when it is really about feeding his libido and his ego. 

5 hours ago, teddyaware said:

The best way to convince others you’re a sexual pervert is to convincingly behave as if you really are a sexual pervert, and convincingly acting like authentic sex perverts was the most essential element of their job description.

As an actual sex pervert in many ways no, just……..no. And again, he didn’t spend time trying to get them to pretend to be into trafficked kids. He had them practice being into him. This whole line of thought makes no sense at all. 

5 hours ago, teddyaware said:

Given this emotionally volitile state of affairs, all some eager beaver lawyers had to do is couple the female accuser’s guilty consciences. and resentments toward Ballard, with the promise of big financial payouts, to compensate them for the abuse they say they suffered, and you have Ballard’s present legal woes.

This is incredibly misogynistic as it makes it all about weak and fragile women who can’t handle the ‘tough’ lifestyle. Also ignores that this whole process is humiliating for women who come forward. This isn’t some dalliance to pick up some money. This is going to be awful for them. The whole thing will be awful. Do you know how society treats women who come forward with claims like this? You are making this all up in your own head. This is not how the real world works.

Also a reminder that Ballard hand-picked all of the women I know of who were involved. How did he always find people who couldn’t handle it? Maybe they all aren’t the problem. The common factor in all those situations was…..wait for it……BALLARD!

5 hours ago, teddyaware said:

But all Ballard will likely have to do is demonstrate that his coworkers needed to convincingly portray themself as oversexed perverts in order to not be killed by hardened criminals and the charges will be thrown out the window.

You seem to think this is an NCIS or Law & Order episode or something. This is not how these stings worked. The stings were also incidentally a stupid way to fight sex trafficking. These aren’t machiavellian criminals. These are bozos that he contacts to organize pedophile sex parties. Explain why they have to believe Ballard and his fake wife are really erotically into each other. Why does he even need a fake wife for these stings at all? It is because Ballard is selling to his donors being “in” on these stings. So he is grabbing amateurs and letting them get involved. Some are his donors and some are people he wants to publicize his work. I am probably giving Ballard too much credit. I don’t mean to suggest he is somehow a professional. He is a weirdo doing weird ineffectual things that look impressive as long as you don’t look too closely.

5 hours ago, teddyaware said:

I can just hear Ballard’s lawyer’s as they come down hard on the accusers insisting, “why did you continue to participate in the sex abuse undercover work when you could have backed out at any time?!”

Now you are seeing this as an episode of some court room drama. The lawyers would also need to establish that it was normal to have to “fake” a sexual relationship for a long time in advance to prep for a sting. Also would have to establish that Ballard wasn’t a blithering idiot to pull unneeded amateurs in on his stings because he wanted to flirt with them and have sexual contact with them. Ballard is not some hardened secret agent doing what is necessary. He is pulling public relations stunts that accomplish virtually nothing so he can play hero and aggressively flirt with other people’s wives. He is an egotist, not some grizzled secret agent.

You are living in the fantasy world Ballard wants people to believe about him. It works because people want to believe that all sex trafficking needs is a “good man with a gun” to come charging in. It doesn’t. It needs real solutions that address the underlying causes. Not Ballard’s weird sex cult of personality.

 

And it is deeply weird that you are going to bat for someone that a literal apostle has directly disavowed for trying to use the apostle’s name for credibility. Of course he is a gloryhound. He has always been a gloryhound.

[The Nehor]

18 hours ago, Anonymous Mormon said:

@teddyaware - I agree with this statement and said something similar in my comment above:

"I can only imagine how hard it would be for Tim Ballard to always live in the world of strip clubs for work and not have it impact him in his real-life interactions"

You wouldn’t work in the world of strip clubs.

18 hours ago, Anonymous Mormon said:

Do you believe it's also possible that maybe Tim Ballard got caught up in the moment while travelling with these attractive women who were pretending to be his hyper-sexual wife? Do you think he could be guilty of crossing the lines of covenants he made in the temple? 

I don’t think he got caught up in the moment. I think he felt entitled to cross those lines. Most personalities like him do. The rules don’t apply to him.

18 hours ago, Anonymous Mormon said:

Do you think they could also feel guilt for crossing lines with Tim that weren't required for the job?

I think they felt guilt for going along with his seductions and felt they were stupid for believing him when he said it was necessary. 

[Teancum]

On 9/5/2024 at 10:20 AM, teddyaware said:

Why don’t you watch the video and draw your own impressions? One thing is virtually certain, it appears likely that Ballard is telling the truth with regard to the subject matter covered in the video. So if Ballard actually is being truthful in the video, with one of his most vocal accusers very recently being convicted in a court of law as a child trafficker (a conviction largely affirmed on video evidence provided to law enforcement by Ballard himself) it seems to me the man at least deserves a fair hearing.

In addition, some of the cases against Ballard have recently been dismissed due to lack of evidence. It’s also strange that the women who’ve accused Ballard of wrongdoing are being represented by the very same lawyers who defended the woman who was just convicted of child trafficking! Based on the sleazy, underhanded way these lawyers defended the now convicted child trafficker, one can’t help but wonder why these very same lawyers are representing Ballard’s other female accusers?

For the above reasons, it seems to me Ballard at very least deserves a fair hearing.  Why not listen to the video instead of joining in with the large chorus of church members who’ve already convicted Ballard in the court of public opinion before the man has been able to defend in a court of law? This same kind of rush to justice mentality is what got Joseph and Hyrum murdered.

If Ballard is found guilty of the charges filed against him, after compelling evidence is provided that places the reality of his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, I’ll condemn the man and say justice was done. But of all people the Latter-Day Saints should be the last people who point the finger of guilt before all the evidence has been revealed and dispassionately analyzed.

Why do you think he is not getting a fair hearing?  And what are you specifically referring to? A fair hearing on podcasts and so on or in a court of law?

[Dario_M]

42 minutes ago, Teancum said:

Why do you think he is not getting a fair hearing?  And what are you specifically referring to? A fair hearing on podcasts and so on or in a court of law?

He doesn't belong in court. It's obviously that he speaks the truth i find. 

[Teancum]

23 hours ago, ttribe said:

You have very little experience with fraudsters, it appears. I see people like this quite often.

Ballard really fits the bill don't you think?

[Teancum]

40 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

He doesn't belong in court. It's obviously that he speaks the truth i find. 

Ya decided this after one view of one video?  Ya might want to rethink this one after you know more about the whole story.

[Dario_M]

3 minutes ago, Teancum said:

Ya decided this after one view of one video?  Ya might want to rethink this one after you know more about the whole story.

I've seen the whole 2 hour video. I have a nosse for people who are lying. This guy is not lying. And the case against him is ridicelous. Obviously ....he is sincere. 

[Teancum]

12 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

I've seen the whole 2 hour video. I have a nosse for people who are lying. This guy is not lying. And the case against him is ridicelous. Obviously ....he is sincere. 

You have a nose for people who are lying.  Sure....

 

How so?

[Tacenda]

13 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

I've seen the whole 2 hour video. I have a nosse for people who are lying. This guy is not lying. And the case against him is ridicelous. Obviously ....he is sincere. 

You haven't seen the whole picture. It's all going to come out soon I'm sure. I believe the women he abused. Tim Ballard has his tentacles in so many situations. And Ryan Fisher is a witness to a lot of things, he was very supportive of OUR and Tim Ballard at first until he smelled a rat. He's going to have a podcast soon called: "Tim Did What" You'll get to see all that took place. 

[Dario_M]

11 minutes ago, Teancum said:

You have a nose for people who are lying.  Sure....

 

How so?

I just can tell if somebody is lying.

This man seems to be innocent 

Edited September 7, 2024 by Dario_M

[Dario_M]

4 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

You haven't seen the whole picture. It's all going to come out soon I'm sure.

I'm super curious. I wanna see where this is going to. 

4 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I believe the women he abused.

 

Did he abused a woman? Oh my i didn't know that. That's horible. 🤢

4 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Tim Ballard has his tentacles in so many situations. And Ryan Fisher is a witness to a lot of things, he was very supportive of OUR and Tim Ballard at first until he smelled a rat. He's going to have a podcast soon called: "Tim Did What" You'll get to see all that took place. 

He looked innocent to me. But maybe he's just a really good lyer.