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I am shocked. There is the unjustified version of a traditional idea about the perils of wearing provocative clothing. They hear of an incident in news, they see the victim in a short dress, they feel the need for philosophical reflection, and say this is a cautionary tale, it was "cause she was wearing a short skirt". I'm not even disagreeing, that those in short skirts could be more likely to be targeted to be robbed or raped, if not incite a date or deviant. Which isn't actually meant to absolve any rape. He is not right.

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If you dress like that & you get rped & I'm on the jury, he's gonna go free. I'm right. A man's a man

In other words, men have no real control over their own sexual urges, it’s Pavlovian responding and will always be…see shorts, get mightily aroused.  Or perhaps he means that men have a right to rape if they get that urge?  I am thinking both….

Let me go elsewhere and throw up a time or two.

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23 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Oh my, I didn't think it could get worse out there. 

Hopefully his parish will kindly, but firmly insist he retire (kindly so he has less chance of claiming victimhood).  I don’t have a lot of confidence about that though as there is likely a reason why he felt secure in saying that.

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1 hour ago, Pyreaux said:

I'm not even disagreeing, that those in short skirts could be more likely to be targeted to be robbed or raped, if not incite a date or deviant.

Have you seen the displays of what women and girls were wearing when raped?  It is not how short the skirt or short is that matters.  I highly doubt percentage wise more rapes for shorts or short skirts than others.

https://dovecenter.org/what-were-you-wearing-exhibit/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Were_You_Wearing%3F

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blackstrap Veteran

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13 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

This is our world

One swallow does not a summer make. 

Show me a dozen more pastors saying the same nonsense and I will agree with your statement, but the reason this is a headline is that it is so unusual. 

It is my understanding that rape is a crime of opportunity and is a power thing not a sex thing. 

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19 minutes ago, blackstrap said:

One swallow does not a summer make. 

Show me a dozen more pastors saying the same nonsense and I will agree with your statement, but the reason this is a headline is that it is so unusual. 

It is my understanding that rape is a crime of opportunity and is a power thing not a sex thing. 

Obviously, there’s not a lot of pastors that are saying this. 
 

Does it make any sense to you that if one pastor is saying it there are likely too many others that agree? Or is this guy just an absolute anomaly?

When I say that I live in a world where sexist attitudes pop up regularly, if not this exact prototype, I mean it. Sometimes it takes something extreme to get folks attention. There is so much denial of this attitude, pervasively even here.

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Tacenda Grand Master

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19 minutes ago, blackstrap said:

One swallow does not a summer make. 

Show me a dozen more pastors saying the same nonsense and I will agree with your statement, but the reason this is a headline is that it is so unusual. 

It is my understanding that rape is a crime of opportunity and is a power thing not a sex thing. 

But it's becoming more so in this day and age, feeling like we're going backwards. Think Handmaiden's Tale, but I haven't read the whole book or saw the whole series because I couldn't stomach it.

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Tacenda Grand Master

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Not to be political here, but one man who was a leader of our country, thought it okay to grab a woman by her privates. And many voted for this guy, in the church and elsewhere. 

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36 minutes ago, blackstrap said:

One swallow does not a summer make. 

Show me a dozen more pastors saying the same nonsense and I will agree with your statement, but the reason this is a headline is that it is so unusual. 

It is my understanding that rape is a crime of opportunity and is a power thing not a sex thing. 

The reason that it seems unusual is that it was caught on tape and widely shared. Finding a dozen more pastors that also think this way is setting the bar extremely low. Catching them on tape is the challenge. 

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I suspect that in a congregation there are multiple cell phones capable of recording any sermon that is " off the wall " and then posting it to the world.

That said, if I were in the congregation during this moronic sermon  I would hope that I would stand and shout , " Are you nuts ? ! " 

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Tacenda Grand Master

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52 minutes ago, blackstrap said:

I suspect that in a congregation there are multiple cell phones capable of recording any sermon that is " off the wall " and then posting it to the world.

That said, if I were in the congregation during this moronic sermon  I would hope that I would stand and shout , " Are you nuts ? ! " 

For sure! That would be golden!

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1 hour ago, blackstrap said:

I suspect that in a congregation there are multiple cell phones capable of recording any sermon that is " off the wall " and then posting it to the world.

That said, if I were in the congregation during this moronic sermon  I would hope that I would stand and shout , " Are you nuts ? ! " 

Makes you wonder why nobody did. Maybe they agreed with him

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bluebell Grand Master

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3 hours ago, blackstrap said:

One swallow does not a summer make. 

Show me a dozen more pastors saying the same nonsense and I will agree with your statement, but the reason this is a headline is that it is so unusual. 

It is my understanding that rape is a crime of opportunity and is a power thing not a sex thing. 

"What were you wearing" is often one of the first questions a woman is asked after she reports a rape.  Her clothing is also a main source for people to claim she 'asked for it".  It happens to the extent that someone did a an exhibition on the topic (that Calm linked to).

How many swallows does it take to make a summer?

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Stargazer Grand Master

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5 hours ago, Tacenda said:

Oh my, I didn't think it could get worse out there. 

Oh, my. Things are just peachy now. Just wait, it will get much worse. 

Something to look forward to! We are living in interesting times, for sure.

Calm Grand Master

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2 hours ago, blackstrap said:

I looked up about how victims are chosen. Here is just one of several articles. How a woman dresses is one factor but not for the reason I thought. 

How Do Rapists Choose Their Victims? | Geniusbeauty

Some of the suggestions of how to protect yourself are problematic from my knowledge of self defense.

Link didn’t work. Is the website really “geniusbeauty”?  The name doesn’t instill confidence in scholarship. 
 

“How a woman dresses is one factor but not for the reason I thought.”

I am assuming since the link didn’t work you mean clothing that is seen as confident is less likely to be targeted and sometimes that may be what is seen as provocative. 
 

My understanding is it is more about opportunity and whether or not it looks like the woman will resist, make it harder.

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I just clicked on it and it came up. The article says they look for clothing that can easily be pulled or cut off.

I only clicked on the first part ,not the genius part. 

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bluebell Grand Master

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19 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

I’m just gonna leave this here.  
 

https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/local/monroe/monroe-nc-pastor-sermon-outrage-2-22-2024/275-cbfc16ac-073b-4d03-b106-551367fe6b53

This is our world, gents.  I find this deplorable,  but not shocking.  This needs to change. 

I'm glad he apologized and admitted on the church sign that he was wrong but he needs to do it over the pulpit, explaining why his feelings have changed.

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The Nehor Grand Master

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On 2/23/2024 at 12:28 PM, Tacenda said:

Not to be political here, but one man who was a leader of our country, thought it okay to grab a woman by her privates. And many voted for this guy, in the church and elsewhere. 

He also admitted to perving on minors while they were changing their clothes. His supporters like to talk about how transgender women in women’s changing areas is one of the great dangers of our time. They do this without a shred of irony.

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The Nehor Grand Master

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18 hours ago, bluebell said:

I'm glad he apologized and admitted on the church sign that he was wrong but he needs to do it over the pulpit, explaining why his feelings have changed.

Because he got caught?

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Calm Grand Master

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1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

Because he got caught?

Considering there has been no explanation and the sign could mean ‘I am sorry I got caught, I was wrong to believe there weren’t liberal commies in the congregation out to get me’….I am leaning that way.  If I hear he does anything more than protect himself, actually responds in a thoughtful way, I will be happily surprised. 

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Tacenda Grand Master

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27 minutes ago, Calm said:

Considering there has been no explanation and the sign could mean ‘I am sorry I got caught, I was wrong to believe there weren’t liberal commies in the congregation out to get me’….I am leaning that way.  If I hear he does anything more than protect himself, actually responds in a thoughtful way, I will be happily surprised. 

I wouldn't believe him whatever he says to get out of it. Something like that coming out of his mouth is a core personality condition that is a huge red flag on what kind of human he is.

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