Is Brandon Sanderson "lame"

[Bernard Gui]

15 hours ago, Dario_M said:

Perhaps i just don't like the book. 

I don't like canned peas, but that doesn't mean I can't try other canned vegetables.

[Amulek]

On 3/26/2023 at 3:32 PM, Stormin' Mormon said:

Second: He is industrious. While Patrick Rothfuss and George RR Martin take years (or decades) between books, Brandon just keeps writing and writing and writing (like he'srunning out of time).

This is a big one for me. Sanderson actually works - relentlessly.

If someone were to say to me that Rothfuss' Kingkiller Chronicle is better than Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy (the original that is - even I didn't care for the Wax and Wayne stuff that much, personally), I would say 'okay, though there's one meaningful thing that you can do with Mistborn that you can't do with the Kingkiller Chronicle: finish it.'

Honestly, it's been so many years since Rothfuss' second book came out that I've pretty much given up on ever being able to finish the series. And I've mostly stopped caring as well.

Maybe Netflix is to blame for this, but I want to binge books just like I want to binge shows. I don't want to be caught in the middle of a series only to find out that I have to wait decades for the next installment to come out. Maybe.

At this point, I mostly only start reading series that are already complete. Maybe that means missing out on a few good books, but I can live with that.

With Sanderson, however, you are generally looking at two to three years tops between books. And, as was mentioned, you can see where he's at in the process with everything he's working on in quasi-real time. That's pretty cool.

And who cares if he isn't the greatest wordsmith to have ever lived. Tons of popular books / franchises are not especially great in terms of prose, sophistication, etc. - yes, I'm looking at you Mr. Potter (seriously, don't even get me started).

 

[Dario_M]

56 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

I don't like canned peas, but that doesn't mean I can't try other canned vegetables.

I don't like the feeling of being tired, But that doesn't mean that i'm always feel energetic. I'm always tired 24/7. 

Oh my, so tired right now as well. I'm going to sleep. Wich i allready did acually i wake up.

I wish i had canned peas. Or beans or something. I'm hungry hardly eaten anything today/tonight. 

Edited March 28, 2023 by Dario_M

[bluebell]

38 minutes ago, Amulek said:

This is a big one for me. Sanderson actually works - relentlessly.

If someone were to say to me that Rothfuss' Kingkiller Chronicle is better than Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy (the original that is - even I didn't care for the Wax and Wayne stuff that much, personally), I would say 'okay, though there's one meaningful thing that you can do with Mistborn that you can't do with the Kingkiller Chronicle: finish it.'

Honestly, it's been so many years since Rothfuss' second book came out that I've pretty much given up on ever being able to finish the series. And I've mostly stopped caring as well.

Maybe Netflix is to blame for this, but I want to binge books just like I want to binge shows. I don't want to be caught in the middle of a series only to find out that I have to wait decades for the next installment to come out. Maybe.

At this point, I mostly only start reading series that are already complete. Maybe that means missing out on a few good books, but I can live with that.

With Sanderson, however, you are generally looking at two to three years tops between books. And, as was mentioned, you can see where he's at in the process with everything he's working on in quasi-real time. That's pretty cool.

And who cares if he isn't the greatest wordsmith to have ever lived. Tons of popular books / franchises are not especially great in terms of prose, sophistication, etc. - yes, I'm looking at you Mr. Potter (seriously, don't even get me started).

 

I accidentally started Brandon Mull's Dragonwatch series before it was finished and I was so angry with myself when I finished book 4 and realized I had to wait a whole year for the series to end.  I couldn't deal with having to wait multiple years.

[Dario_M]

Well...at least Brandon has succes. What does he cares about a few opinions on an online forum from some anonymus people right?? I wouldn't care if i whas him at least anyway. Heaven no. 

[Hamilton Porter]

Why does it matter what he is if you like what he produces?

Scifi isn't my thing. 

But the Church produces lots of scifi/fantasy writers because historical reasons.

[Calm]

14 minutes ago, Hamilton Porter said:

But the Church produces lots of scifi/fantasy writers because historical reasons.

Would be interested to hear what you mean by this. 

[Hamilton Porter]

26 minutes ago, Calm said:

Would be interested to hear what you mean by this. 

Church was birthed into a milieu where a lot of people thought science and religion would becoming mutually reinforcing. That's why you get stuff like Kolob, and Orson Pratt wrote key to science of theology.

[Dario_M]

Some people in OUR church have a big imagination anyway if you ask me. But i find that those people need to see the differends between reality and fantasy or just non reality. If it is not true it ain't true, done. 

That person ...mister Holland..wich rol had he in the church???... an important one at least. Anyway he is always showing up with the biggest nonsens. The things he said have been harmfull to others. 🎭

Edited March 30, 2023 by Dario_M

[bluebell]

5 hours ago, Dario_M said:

Some people in OUR church have a big imagination anyway if you ask me. But i find that those people need to see the differends between reality and fantasy or just non reality. If it is not true it ain't true, done. 

That person ...mister Holland..wich rol had he in the church???... an important one at least. Anyway he is always showing up with the biggest nonsens. The things he said have been harmfull to others. 🎭

Elder Holland is one of the 12 apostles. 

[Rain]

5 hours ago, Dario_M said:

Some people in OUR church have a big imagination anyway if you ask me. But i find that those people need to see the differends between reality and fantasy or just non reality. If it is not true it ain't true, done. 

That person ...mister Holland..wich rol had he in the church???... an important one at least. Anyway he is always showing up with the biggest nonsens. The things he said have been harmfull to others. 🎭

I am assuming you are talking about one of his specific talks and I understand why that would bother you, but I would not say he "always" is saying the wrong things. He has some beautiful talks on dealing with depression and mental illness, finding peace and hope. 

[Dario_M]

45 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Elder Holland is one of the 12 apostles. 

I hope you guys don't mind me saying this. But i find this guy a creep. And he has done a lot of harm within the church community. That's just not right. 

I like Russel M Nelson a lot more then. In compare with Elder Holland. 

[bluebell]

Just now, Dario_M said:

I hope you guys don't mind me saying this. But i find this guy a creep. And he has done a lot of harm within the church community. That's just not right. 

I like Russel M Nelson a lot more then. In compare with Elder Holland. 

You can say it, but very few members would agree. Are you basing your opinion off of one talk?

[Dario_M]

27 minutes ago, Rain said:

I am assuming you are talking about one of his specific talks and I understand why that would bother you, but I would not say he "always" is saying the wrong things. He has some beautiful talks on dealing with depression and mental illness, finding peace and hope. 

Oh my... typical something for you to say that.🎭 Btw..where you not that person who liked that topic that Durangout made about real man?? And did you not upvote every post there where somebody whas saying something in the lin of ... all man should be (real) man (jerk basicaly) otherwise those man will be very unhappy??

Yes that whas you just checked the topic. And i downvotted you and you came after me demanding an explenation. 🤷‍♂️

Excuse me.. but Holland have just done a lot of harm within the church. Most people know this.

This is kinda offtopic offcourse so i will not discuss this matter any further. But if you like, i can make a topic about Elder Holland and we can discuss it there. 

[Dario_M]

9 minutes ago, bluebell said:

You can say it, but very few members would agree. Are you basing your opinion off of one talk?

No. NO.🙁 Oh Lord no. No. I really don't feel his vibe nope.

But enaugh about Holland. Soo offtopic this.... oh my. 

[bluebell]

6 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

Oh my... typical something for you to say that.🎭 Btw..where you not that person who liked that topic that Durangout made about real man?? And did you not upvote every post there where somebody whas saying something in the lin of ... all man should be (real) man (jerk basicaly) otherwise those man will be very unhappy??

Yes that whas you just checked the topic. And i downvotted you and you came after me demanding an explenation. 🤷‍♂️

Excuse me.. but Holland have just done a lot of harm within the church. Most people know this.

This is kinda offtopic offcourse so i will not discuss this matter any further. But if you like, i can make a topic about Elder Holland and we can discuss it there. 

No she was not that person and no she did not upvote those posts.  You completely misunderstood what she was saying.

You should not be so quick to judge others.  Especially since you are very sensitive about others judging you.

(and Elder Holland is probably one of the most favorite apostles of most members. Most people do not believe he has done a lot of harm in the church. Most people believe the opposite. But you are of course free to disagree and believe what you want). 

[Rain]

11 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

Oh my... typical something for you to say that.🎭

Well, good because I try hard to not judge other people and encourage others to think well of others.  

11 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

Btw..where you not that person who liked that topic that Durangout made about real man??

No.  You misread what I said and others told you that you misread as well. I did find some good things in it, but overall I did not like it. 

11 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

And did you not upvote every post there where somebody whas saying something in the lin of ... all man should be (real) man (jerk basicaly) otherwise those man will be very unhappy??

Nope. I didn't. 

11 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

Yes that whas you just checked the topic. And i downvotted you and you came after me demanding an explenation. 🤷‍♂️

I didn't demand explanation. I asked for it because I thought you didn't understand what I was saying. I appreciate it when others do the same thing with me because it shows they care about me.

11 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

Excuse me.. but Holland have just done a lot of harm within the church. Most people know this.

Elder Holland has made some mistakes, but he has also done an incredible amount of good.  

11 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

This is kinda offtopic offcourse so i will not discuss this matter any further.

That's probably a good thing.

11 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

But if you like, i can make a topic about Elder Holland and we can discuss it there. 

No thank you.

[Hamilton Porter]

6 hours ago, Dario_M said:

That person ...mister Holland..wich rol had he in the church???... an important one at least. Anyway he is always showing up with the biggest nonsens. The things he said have been harmfull to others. 🎭

Was Holland mentioned in the article? His son David teaches at Harvard. His other son Matt was my boss.

[Dario_M]

 

People please. This is just soooooo offtopic. ⬇️⬇️⬇️

[smac97]

Not sure if anyone has posted this: Perspective: Seeing Brandon Sanderson respond to public derision told me all I needed to know

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I clicked on the recent Wired profile about blockbuster fantasy writer and Utah resident Brandon Sanderson, fully expecting to learn about Sanderson — the piece, after all, is titled, “Brandon Sanderson Is Your God.”

And, to be fair, the article contains a smattering of interesting facts, ranging from Sanderson’s quirky sleep schedule to his unusual lack of pain (he waives novocaine during teeth fillings, apparently). 

But aside from these and other more perfunctory details, I learned much more about the writer for Wired, Jason Kehe, than the man Kehe claims to have traveled to Utah “in the freezing-cold dead of winter” to profile.  

For starters, Kehe is oddly comfortable with tossing around labels like “weirdo Mormon” or “extremely Mormon.”

I’m personally uncomfortable reading the words “weirdo” or “extremely” before any fill-in-the-blank group, let alone a religious one. But Kehe seems quite at ease with disparaging hyperbole, including mocking a child’s eating habits by pointing to the fact Sanderson’s teenage son salts “his yakisoba” when they go out for sushi. 

Again, writing about a minor detail like that told me little about Sanderson or his family (full disclosure: I, too, salt my food) but divulged much about Kehe. And then there’s his line about Sanderson’s readers, who Kehe meets while attending the annual Dragonsteel convention (a convention for Sanderson fans). Kehe calls them “sweet,” but only after saying about the people and the event that “there’s a general air — warmish, body-odored — of unselfconsciousness.”

One reader on Twitter summarized his own reaction to Kehe’s prose by playing the optimist: “On the bright side it’s nice to have a handy reference for when people ask what is meant by the term ‘coastal elite.’”

Heh.

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But then, a few hours later, a friend sent me Sanderson’s own response to the Wired profile, which Sanderson posted publicly on Reddit. Sanderson’s response included lines like “(Jason Kehe) seems to be a sincere man who tried very hard to find a story” and “I respect him for trying his best to write what he obviously found a difficult article. He’s a person, remember, just like each of us.” 

In his response, Sanderson drew an analogy about the uniqueness and intrinsic interestingness of each person, even the “boring” ones, and the writer’s role in drawing those stories out. It was beautiful.

Reading how this man, with all his wealth and abilities and friends and family, responded to very public derision in a national magazine told me all I needed to know about the real Brandon Sanderson and the substance of his personal faith.

And, in an unexpected plot twist, I guess I have the profile in Wired to thank for it.

Well done, Branderson!  FWIW, two of my kids are amongst your devotees!

Thanks,

-Smac

[Hamilton Porter]

By the way, if Sanderson really is the way the interviewer described, then he really doesn't care how he's perceived.

[The Nehor]

6 hours ago, Hamilton Porter said:

By the way, if Sanderson really is the way the interviewer described, then he really doesn't care how he's perceived.

He is a huge nerd. He used to play Magic with his fans. He still might.

I like him. It is nice to have a writer I can enjoy from the Church since my childhood Mormon writer hero went a bit nuts.

[Analytics]

Allow me to say one more thing about Brandon Sanderson. One of the main characters in the Stormlight Archives, Jasnah Kholin, is an atheist. In the book, Jasnah discusses her atheism with her ward Shallan Davar, and I find what she says to be a realistic, insightful, and complimentary view of atheism. In the book, Jasnah Kholin says things that I'd say, only more eloquently. 

When people respond to me here, too often I feel like people just don't understand my point of view and sometimes, I feel like people accuse me of being driven by sinister motives and not by sincerity. In contrast, Sanderson makes me feel understood. 

Edited April 3, 2023 by Analytics

[The Nehor]

3 hours ago, Analytics said:

Allow me to say one more thing about Brandon Sanderson. One of the main characters in the Stormlight Archives, Jasnah Kholin, is an atheist. In the book, Jasnah discusses her atheism with her ward Shallan Davar, and I find what she says to be a realistic, insightful, and complimentary view of atheism. In the book, Jasnah Kholin says things that I'd say, only more eloquently. 

When people respond to me here, too often I feel like people just don't understand my point of view and sometimes, I feel like people accuse me of being driven by sinister motives and not by sincerity. In contrast, Sanderson makes me feel understood. 

Sanderson is good at this. In one of his books the bad guy is a religious missionary and it made my young missionary self feel seen.

[Kenngo1969]

But ... but ... but ... the young Mr. Sanderson puts salt on his yakisoba!  Can you believe it?!    

How gauche!   

 

Edited April 4, 2023 by Kenngo1969