White Nationalists (Some from Utah) Planned to Attack LGBTQ Rally in Idaho

[smac97]

16 minutes ago, Ipod Touch said:

It is so fascinating that @The Nehordefends the overt sexualization of children. And simply because if he thinks if he denounces it, he'll be disloyal to his political team.

Anyone who promotes the involvement of children with drag queens, kink, and fetishists, is promoting degeneracy. They are groomers.  They should be shamed and denounced.

Two more links:

This (pics at the link NSFW) :

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American popstar Christina Aguilera drew ire online following an all-ages performance at the Los Angeles Pride Festival, during which she wore a green Hulk-esque ensemble that included a bedazzled dildo attached to her pelvis.

Videos quickly surfaced online of the performance, drawing criticism about the appropriateness of such an outfit during an all-ages event.

“LA Pride in the Park has no age minimum for the music performance,” according to the event’s FAQ page. The only age restriction said that anyone under 21 was not allowed where alcohol was served.

Aguilera blurred out the strap-on in videos of her performance that she posted to social media.
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Since Pride Month began two weeks ago, many have taken issue with graphic activities that have taken place at festivals and parades where children are apparently permitted.

 

"INSANE: A mother stands by in excitement as her TODDLER is exposed to half naked men WHIPPING each other in BDSM and doggy play attire here at Pride LA in Hollywood CA "

"DEPRAVITY: A drag queen standing on an egg plant emoji with dancers with bulging genitals says “WE HAVE GENITALS AND LUBE” to little children in the crowd"

“Let little kids be kids, shouldn't they be having some fun with their friends, like at a park, pool, or just playing with a slip'n slide in their backyard? Instead looking at things that they don't understand,” one Twitter user said.

And now government actors are getting on board:

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Michigan AG says 'drag queens make everything better,' suggests 'drag queen for every school': report

Dana Nessel's comments come amid heightened national tensions surrounding the presence of drag queens at children's events

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel reportedly said Wednesday that "drag queens make everything better" and that there should be "a drag queen for every school" during an event in Lansing.

Nessel, who was the first openly gay person elected to statewide office in Michigan, made the comments during a civil rights conference while speaking out against what she describes as efforts to divide Americans, Craig Mauger of The Detroit News reported on Twitter.

"Drag queens make everything better. Drag queens are fun," Nessel said, according to Mauger. 

"A drag queen for every school," she added.

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Nessel's comments come amid heightened national tensions surrounding the presence of drag queens and kings at events marketed toward children.

Objecting to these sorts of things is, in the eyes of some, "hysteria" and "insane."

I think such objections are eminently reasonable.

Thanks,

-Smac

[smac97]

And another: Norway Ethics professor calls for normalization of pedophilia

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A Norwegian professor of Ethics is calling for the normalization of pedophilia in school.

 

Ole Martin Moen says "the mental state of finding children sexually attractive is very common."

Moen, a gay man who identifies as queer, said a "percentage of high school students have an innate pedophilic sexual identity," according to Reduxx,

Moen also wants to make child pornography legal if the images are generated by a computer. He's called to "legalize AI-generated child pornography, claiming that pedophilia should be seen as an innate sexuality that requires destigmatization."

 

Moen's defense of AI images is a common trope for child porn defenders, who say viewing the material would be useful in satiating a pedophile's urges without them resorting to abuse. This claim has long been debunked and the American Bar Association published the baseline rebuke in 2014.

Norway, like America and many Western countries, is facing an ever expanding attempt to normalize pedophilia in mainstream culture. Moen has long been a crusader on behalf of child pornography. In 2015 his paper "The Ethics of Pedophilia," he wrote "Pedophilia is bad. But how bad is it? And in what ways, and for what reasons, is it bad?"

Moen's abstract argues "pedophilia is bad only because, and only to the extent that, it causes harm to children, and that pedophilia itself, as well as pedophilic expressions and practices that do not cause harm to children, are morally all right."

Later he writes, "We argue that it is not immoral to be a pedophile, it is immoral for pedophiles to seek out sexual contact with children because of the expected harm to children, and it is morally permissible for pedophiles to satisfy their sexual preferences in ways that do not involve any real children."

Moen defends pedophilia as a sexual orientation akin to homosexuality for grounds for its normalization. He goes on to stress that it's wrong to condemn pedophiles for their attraction.

Thanks,

-Smac

[Calm]

51 minutes ago, Ipod Touch said:

It is so fascinating that @The Nehordefends the overt sexualization of children.

You are in fantasy land.

[Calm]

46 minutes ago, Ipod Touch said:

Not a very professional operation to be sure.

Which is a good argument for law enforcement not being involved.

[ttribe]

Well, the effort to divert attention away from the problem of White Nationalism to turn the discussion into an attack on the LBGTQ+ community was successful.

[Ipod Touch]

12 minutes ago, ttribe said:

Well, the effort to divert attention away from the problem of White Nationalism to turn the discussion into an attack on the LBGTQ+ community was successful.

I've long been a support of gay rights and gay marriage.  In fact, one of the reasons I stepped away from the Church is because I had markedly different views on this issue.

But a small set of radicals (mostly in the TQ camp), have co opted the LGB work for equality under the law and are trying to normalize the sexualization of children.  I know not one single gay person who supports this nonsense.  And unfortunately, this radical normalization of "kink" and drag *for children.* is going to provoke a reaction from the worst people in the world -- like Patriot Front.

And do you know who loses in all this?  Gays and Lesbians. By 2015 they were well on there way to broad cultural acceptance.  And then the autistic pornsick anime lovers decided that they wanted to pretend they were women.  Why do you think support for gays and lesbians is *dropping* among the younger generation?  Not because of actual homosexuality.  No.  It is because of actions of a few radicals that aren't even gay.

 All of this is to say that I respect you as a poster very much.  But in this instance I think you have employed some rhetoric disingenuously.   No one here is critisizing gay and lesbian people.  They take issue with the actions of a few extremists who unfortunately get far too much air time.

Edited June 15, 2022 by Ipod Touch

[Ipod Touch]

31 minutes ago, Calm said:

You are in fantasy land.

I'm not sure how you can support children at overtly sexual events as anything other than support for what it teaches these young kids.

[ttribe]

32 minutes ago, Ipod Touch said:

I've long been a support of gay rights and gay marriage.  In fact, one of the reasons I stepped away from the Church is because I had markedly different views on this issue.

But a small set of radicals (mostly in the TQ camp), have co opted the LGB work for equality under the law and are trying to normalize the sexualization of children.  I know not one single gay person who supports this nonsense.  And unfortunately, this radical normalization of "kink" and drag *for children.* is going to provoke a reaction from the worst people in the world -- like Patriot Front.

And do you know who loses in all this?  Gays and Lesbians. By 2015 they were well on there way to broad cultural acceptance.  And then the autistic pornsick anime lovers decided that they wanted to pretend they were women.  Why do you think support for gays and lesbians is *dropping* among the younger generation?  Not because of actual homosexuality.  No.  It is because of actions of a few radicals that aren't even gay.

 All of this is to say that I respect you as a poster very much.  But in this instance I think you have employed some rhetoric disingenuously.   No one here is critisizing gay and lesbian people.  They take issue with the actions of a few extremists who unfortunately get far too much air time.

But, my main point, is that the discussion is no longer about the real topic - White Nationalism.

[Kenngo1969]

3 hours ago, Tacenda said:

I see the problems here for sure. But then lets also look at the straight religious folks that abuse young children behind closed doors or hidden. ...

Speaking generally, and not necessarily in direct response to anything you write here, Tacenda, I don't deny that, on very, very rare occasions, leaders and people in positions of trust in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have abused those positions in order to groom and to abuse children.  And yes, such behavior by members of the Church of Jesus Christ is reprehensible and despicable.  However, it's very, very ironic to me that it seems that some of the same people who scream the loudest about an alleged "epidemic" of such things happening in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints also are the very ones who consider things such as those under discussion in this thread and, with diffident shrugs, as though they were officers directing traffic at an accident scene, say, "Nothing to see here, folks.  Move it along!  That's right mooove it along!" 👮‍♀️

If someone wishes me to consider the possibility and incidence of grooming and abuse by some of those who are in authority in in the Church of Jesus Christ, that's fine: Well and good.  I'm willing to do that.  (Again, this is a general question, prompted by what you have written, but not intended to respond directly to anything you write):  But why is it that we shouldn't be so concerned (or that we shouldn't be concerned at all ) about children being exposed to behaviors and lifestyles that are overtly sexual, on the one hand, yet we should be concerned, on the other hand, about the [far remoter, and far less blatant] possibility that leaders and those in positions of trust in the Church of Jesus Christ could be engaging in grooming or abuse?

Isn't "what's good for the goose good for the gander," as well, or are certain seeming double standards more acceptable than others, depending on who's doing the talking?

[Danzo]

9 minutes ago, ttribe said:

But, my main point, is that the discussion is no longer about the real topic - White Nationalism.

When has this discussion board ever stayed on topic?

[Ipod Touch]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

Which is a good argument for law enforcement not being involved.

I don't know.  I saw a pretty convincing video on bitchute

[smac97]

1 hour ago, ttribe said:

Well, the effort to divert attention away from the problem of White Nationalism to turn the discussion into an attack on the LBGTQ+ community was successful.

First, I started this thread.  I am the one that first drew attention to "the problem of White Nationalism."

Second, it was Nehor, not me or those resopnding to him, who started "divert{ing} attention" away from the original topic.

Third, I find your characterization deplorable, as the discussoin now includes discussion of how small children are being sexualized/groomed in "drag queen" events and such, which predatory behavior you are apparently (and improperly) attributing to the entirety of "the LBGTQ+ community." 

Fourth, both Ipod Touch and I have condemned the abuse of children in any context.  See, e.g., here ("There is no justification for abusing young children.  By anyone, including 'straight religious folks.' ... Noting these concerns has no bearing on the propriety of sexualizing/grooming children in other contexts, which is also deplorable and wrong.")

Fifth, Tacenda, Nehor have resorted to the tu quoque fallacy (diverting attention, as it were):

• Nehor: "These are the same people screaming about how someone dressed in drag is exposing kids to sexuality and take their kids to Hooter’s."
• Tacenda: "I see the problems here for sure. But then lets also look at the straight religious folks that abuse young children behind closed doors or hidden."

Fifth, we can walk and chew gum at the same time.  I can express concerns about "White Nationalism" and recent instances of children being sexually groomed by "drag queen" events.  And I likewise find Mardi Gras and other examples of broadly "heterosexual" debaucheries/hedonism to be similarly manifestly inappropriate for children.

Thanks,

-Smac

Edited June 16, 2022 by smac97

[smac97]

1 hour ago, ttribe said:

But, my main point, is that the discussion is no longer about the real topic - White Nationalism.

Feel free to comment about "the real topic."  Nobody is stopping you.

Thanks,

-Smac

[ttribe]

21 minutes ago, smac97 said:

Feel free to comment about "the real topic."  Nobody is stopping you.

Thanks,

-Smac

A little sensitive there, Spencer. It is my opinion that the actual individuals who sought this diversion were teddyaware and longview. Their actions appeared to be intentional, IMO. If they are comfortable with the appearance of sympathizing with the White Nationalists who sought to riot at a Pride Event, I would very much like to hear why.

[Tacenda]

39 minutes ago, smac97 said:

First, I started this thread.  I am the one that first drew attention to "the problem of White Nationalism."

Second, it was Nehor, not me or those resopnding to him, who started "divert{ing} attention" away from the original topic.

Third, I find your characterization deplorable, as the discussoin now includes discussion of how small children are being sexualized/groomed in "drag queen" events and such, which predatory behavior you are apparently (and improperly) attributing to the entirety of "the LBGTQ+ community." 

Fourth, both Ipod Touch and I have condemned the abuse of children in any context.  See, e.g., here ("There is no justification for abusing young children.  By anyone, including 'straight religious folks.' ... Noting these concerns has no bearing on the propriety of sexualizing/grooming children in other contexts, which is also deplorable and wrong.")

Fifth, Tacenda, Nehor have resorted to the tu quoque fallacy (diverting attention, as it were):

• Nehor: "These are the same people screaming about how someone dressed in drag is exposing kids to sexuality and take their kids to Hooter’s."
• Tacenda: "I see the problems here for sure. But then lets also look at the straight religious folks that abuse young children behind closed doors or hidden."

Fifth, we can walk and chew gum at the same time.  I can express concerns about "White Nationalism" and recent instances of children being sexually groomed by "drag queen" events.  And I likewise find Mardi Gras and other examples of broadly "heterosexual" debaucheries/hedonism to be similarly manifestly inappropriate for children.

Thanks,

-Smac

This is fair, probably deserved what you say and I apologize for diverting from something as important as calling out, "white nationalism". Thanks for starting topics on some controversial subjects for a long time now, even if it may make some in the church look bad, if what Bill Reel says is correct, quoted below:

"The names and home towns of the arrested group members have been made public. If you look up the social media profiles of these individuals, it appears that a large number (at least ten) are Mormons from Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, and Colorado." - Quote from ExMormon Redditor

At least 10 of the thirty one terrorists were Mormon.... huh. Considering only 1.7% of this country is Mormon, this seems significant. At the very least does not The faith's Homophobic rhetoric contribute to this? Is it possible that Mormons are more likely to irrational thinking and aligning themselves with political and religious conspiracy theories?

Edited June 16, 2022 by Tacenda

[ttribe]

9 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

This is fair, probably deserved what you say and I apologize for diverting from something as important as calling out, "white nationalism". Thanks for starting topics on some controversial subjects for a long time now, even if it may make some in the church look bad, if what Bill Reel says is correct, quoted below:

"The names and home towns of the arrested group members have been made public. If you look up the social media profiles of these individuals, it appears that a large number (at least ten) are Mormons from Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, and Colorado." - Quote from ExMormon Redditor

At least 10 of the thirty one terrorists were Mormon.... huh. Considering only 1.7% of this country is Mormon, this seems significant. At the very least does not The faith's Homophobic rhetoric contribute to this? Is it possible that Mormons are more likely to irrational thinking and aligning themselves with political and religious conspiracy theories?

Bill's rhetoric on this is over-the-top, in my opinion.

[Peacefully]

2 hours ago, Ipod Touch said:

I've long been a support of gay rights and gay marriage.  In fact, one of the reasons I stepped away from the Church is because I had markedly different views on this issue.

But a small set of radicals (mostly in the TQ camp), have co opted the LGB work for equality under the law and are trying to normalize the sexualization of children.  I know not one single gay person who supports this nonsense.  And unfortunately, this radical normalization of "kink" and drag *for children.* is going to provoke a reaction from the worst people in the world -- like Patriot Front.

And do you know who loses in all this?  Gays and Lesbians. By 2015 they were well on there way to broad cultural acceptance.  And then the autistic pornsick anime lovers decided that they wanted to pretend they were women.  Why do you think support for gays and lesbians is *dropping* among the younger generation?  Not because of actual homosexuality.  No.  It is because of actions of a few radicals that aren't even gay.

 All of this is to say that I respect you as a poster very much.  But in this instance I think you have employed some rhetoric disingenuously.   No one here is critisizing gay and lesbian people.  They take issue with the actions of a few extremists who unfortunately get far too much air time.

Not sure what you think autism has to do with any of this but I find it very offensive. 

[Calm]

2 hours ago, Danzo said:

When has this discussion board ever stayed on topic?

Only with much prayer and fasting…and threatening to report to mods, lol.

[Calm]

14 minutes ago, Peacefully said:

Not sure what you think autism has to do with any of this but I find it very offensive. 

I think it’s code for highly socially awkward?

Edited June 16, 2022 by Calm

[The Nehor]

5 hours ago, smac97 said:

Good bit of gaslighting, this.

Oh, so you went to London to find examples of horrible deviant behavior? Of course it is weird there. It is England.

Forget it Jake. It’s Londontown.

5 hours ago, Ipod Touch said:

@The Nehor will defend this:

Degeneracy is degeneracy.  I don't care if you wrap it in a pride flag.  And I'm willing to bet the vast majority of gays and lesbians oppose the involvement of children in overtly sexual events.

Awwwwww……puppies!!!!!! So cute.

Do you think kids find this arousing or is it just people in funny costumes wearing more than they would on many public beaches?

[bsjkki]

2 hours ago, ttribe said:

But, my main point, is that the discussion is no longer about the real topic - White Nationalism.

White Nationalism is bad. Is anyone arguing it’s not bad? There is not much to debate so people are finding more interesting side issues to to discuss. 
 

I still don’t know how any of this has been shown to have anything to do with the church. I have found no evidence any Patriot Front members have ties to the church. 

[bsjkki]

1 hour ago, Tacenda said:

This is fair, probably deserved what you say and I apologize for diverting from something as important as calling out, "white nationalism". Thanks for starting topics on some controversial subjects for a long time now, even if it may make some in the church look bad, if what Bill Reel says is correct, quoted below:

"The names and home towns of the arrested group members have been made public. If you look up the social media profiles of these individuals, it appears that a large number (at least ten) are Mormons from Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, and Colorado." - Quote from ExMormon Redditor

At least 10 of the thirty one terrorists were Mormon.... huh. Considering only 1.7% of this country is Mormon, this seems significant. At the very least does not The faith's Homophobic rhetoric contribute to this? Is it possible that Mormons are more likely to irrational thinking and aligning themselves with political and religious conspiracy theories?

You believe a random Reddit post on exmo Reddit? Did they post this ‘evidence.’

[Tacenda]

1 minute ago, bsjkki said:

You believe a random Reddit post on exmo Reddit? Did they post this ‘evidence.’

It was a big "if" Bill Reel's post was correct.

[The Nehor]

8 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

You believe a random Reddit post on exmo Reddit? Did they post this ‘evidence.’

You can’t really post facebook profiles and it would probably be against board rules to do so here and probably on Reddit too even in that cesspool.

Amongst those digging for data I have heard that around ten were at least previous church members due to missionary photos or church photos suggesting that. At least two used the Deznat hashtag at some point if they social media accounts have been located correctly. It is much more difficult to prove they are still members and if they are members they could easily be inactive.

[bsjkki]

4 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

You can’t really post facebook profiles and it would probably be against board rules to do so here and probably on Reddit too even in that cesspool.

Amongst those digging for data I have heard that around ten were at least previous church members due to missionary photos or church photos suggesting that. At least two used the Deznat hashtag at some point if they social media accounts have been located correctly. It is much more difficult to prove they are still members and if they are members they could easily be inactive.

An article with more info. https://www.deseret.com/utah/2022/6/13/23166049/how-active-white-supremacist-group-patriot-front-utah-idaho-pride-event-arrested-riot
 

One was kicked out of his house by his mom. His dad had left the family after coming out as gay.