Members and Temple in Kyiv Ukraine

[pogi]

23 hours ago, Teancum said:

Ok.  So???

So...religion and science agree that calamities of biblical proportions are at our door step.  Science and religion both agree that this is not the "same old story", and that there actually is something "new here under the sun" threatening us.  Both have been warning us for some time.  No one seems to listen enough to change behavior.  

[Teancum]

18 minutes ago, pogi said:

So...religion and science agree that calamities of biblical proportions are at our door step.

Science argues that some natural calamities are increasing due to global warming. I do not think they argue such other events are out of the ordinary.  And religion always reads the end of the world into wars and natural disasters.  

18 minutes ago, pogi said:

 

 

  Science and religion both agree that this is not the "same old story", and that there actually is something "new here under the sun" threatening us.  Both have been warning us for some time.  No one seems to listen enough to change behavior.  

Other than science claiming man made climate change I do think they claim it is the end of the world and signs of Jesus coming back now do they.

[InCognitus]

2 hours ago, Teancum said:

All faith based and subjective to the Mormon world view.

So what are you suggesting, that the second coming of Christ should not be faith based or subject to a specific interpretation of scripture?

[pogi]

1 hour ago, Teancum said:

Science argues that some natural calamities are increasing due to global warming. I do not think they argue such other events are out of the ordinary.  

Definitely out of the ordinary.

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Global warming presents the gravest threat to life on Earth in all of human history. The planet is warming to a degree beyond what many species can handle, altering or eliminating habitat, reducing food sources, causing drought and other species-harming severe weather events, and even directly killing species that simply can’t stand the heat. In fact, scientists predict that if we keep going along our current greenhouse gas emissions trajectory, climate change will cause more than a third of the Earth’s animal and plant species to face extinction by 2050 — and up to 70 percent by the end of the century. 
https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/climate_law_institute/global_warming_and_life_on_earth/index.html#:~:text=In fact%2C scientists predict that,the end of the century.

 

A more grim scientific prediction by 2050:

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human civilization could end by 2050 due to the destabilizing societal and environmental factors caused by a rapidly warming planet. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-climate-change-report-human-civilization-at-risk-extinction-by-2050-new-australian-climate/

 

 

1 hour ago, Teancum said:

And religion always reads the end of the world into wars and natural disasters.  

Scientists typically don't...which makes this all the more troubling in that some scientists now are.  Of course there is a wide range of scientific opinions on the matter, but I think all are in agreement that the threat is unprecedented.  

1 hour ago, Teancum said:

Other than science claiming man made climate change I do think they claim it is the end of the world and signs of Jesus coming back now do they.

Some do claim the end of humans, and most of life on earth, but yeah...no Jesus. 

[Teancum]

15 minutes ago, InCognitus said:

So what are you suggesting, that the second coming of Christ should not be faith based or subject to a specific interpretation of scripture?

Nope.  You can have faith in any myth your choose to believe in.  

[Teancum]

6 minutes ago, pogi said:

Some do claim the end of humans, and most of life on earth, but yeah...no Jesus. 

Ok yes some do.  My take is if we are not able to slow global warming/climate change it won't end the world.  Species may die, humans may die but I think many won't and they will adapt.

[pogi]

23 minutes ago, Teancum said:

Ok yes some do.  My take is if we are not able to slow global warming/climate change it won't end the world.  Species may die, humans may die but I think many won't and they will adapt.

 

What's your point? 

In Mormonism, we don't believe in an end of the world scenario either.  We believe in unprecedented hard times with fires, pestilence, plagues, famine, wars, etc. like the world has never before seen.  Science doesn't disagree with us in that prediction (that was my only point).  Like science, we don't believe in an end of the world scenario either.  We do however believe in a purification/renewal and change to the world for the better through, via Christ. 

[Teancum]

20 minutes ago, pogi said:

What's your point? 

My point is that Christians have been proclaiming the second coming/end of the world for 2000 years.  Paul and even Jesus taught it was soon, in Paul's lifetime and in Jesus's follower life times. So now we have global warming and Russia invading Ukraine and now it is a sign that Jesus is soon on his way back.  

 

20 minutes ago, pogi said:

In Mormonism, we don't believe in an end of the world scenario either.  We believe in unprecedented hard times with fires, pestilence, plagues, famine, wars, etc. like the world has never before seen. 

Well maybe not the very end but surely the end as we know it.

20 minutes ago, pogi said:

 

 

Science doesn't disagree with us in that prediction (that was my only point).  Like science, we don't believe in an end of the world scenario either.  We do however believe in a purification/renewal and change to the world for the better through, via Christ. 

And my point is it ain't happening any time soon, if ever.

[pogi]

28 minutes ago, Teancum said:

And my point is it ain't happening any time soon, if ever.

Based on what?

[rodheadlee]

21 minutes ago, Teancum said:

My point is that Christians have been proclaiming the second coming/end of the world for 2000 years.  Paul and even Jesus taught it was soon, in Paul's lifetime and in Jesus's follower life times. So now we have global warming and Russia invading Ukraine and now it is a sign that Jesus is soon on his way back.  

 

Well maybe not the very end but surely the end as we know it.

And my point is it ain't happening any time soon, if ever.

Google doomsday clock. It is by scientists. 

[Teancum]

37 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

Google doomsday clock. It is by scientists. 

I know what it is.  Sure. We may have a nuclear war. I said this above.  But Jesus won't be here for that either. That was my point. Sorry.

Edited March 14, 2022 by Teancum

[mfbukowski]

9 hours ago, Teancum said:

I know what it is.  Sure. We may have a nuclear war. I said this above.  But Jesus won't be here for that either. That was my point. Sorry.

LOL.

His kingdom never WAS of this world, and his believers know that.

[Teancum]

6 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

LOL.

His kingdom never WAS of this world, and his believers know that.

So Latter day Saints don't believe the earth will be where his kingdom is?

[pogi]

19 hours ago, Teancum said:

But Jesus won't be here for that either. 

Thanks for your testimony 

Edited March 15, 2022 by pogi

[Teancum]

1 hour ago, pogi said:

Thanks for your testimony 

Any time.🙄

[mfbukowski]

On 3/15/2022 at 5:48 AM, Teancum said:

So Latter day Saints don't believe the earth will be where his kingdom is?

Depends. You just don't know how to see two interpretations in one image, do you? It's here now and not here yet. It's an IDEA, a paradigm 

Yet again:

Myths, Models and Paradigms: A Comparative Study in Science and Religion – Religion Online" https://www.religion-online.org/book/myths-models-and-paradigms-a-comparative-study-in-science-and-religion/

 

Edited March 17, 2022 by mfbukowski

[Maedros]

https://www.marcotosatti.com/2022/03/07/declaration-of-msgr-carlo-maria-vigano-on-the-russia-ukraine-crisis/

[rodheadlee]

2 hours ago, Maedros said:

https://www.marcotosatti.com/2022/03/07/declaration-of-msgr-carlo-maria-vigano-on-the-russia-ukraine-crisis/

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NATO is a defensive force, they would never attack/ invade Russia as a first strike. 

Edited March 17, 2022 by rodheadlee

[Maedros]

20 hours ago, rodheadlee said:

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NATO is a defensive force, they would never attack/ invade Russia as a first strike. 

I don't know that, whether they would or wouldn't attack as a first strike, what I do know is that they are beholden to the 'Empire of Lies' (Secret Combination), so, any of their media houses could spin a narrative which justifies an attack (all based on lies btw), the Iraq War is an example (still waiting for the proof of WMDs); if America is saying it and their co-conspirators with them, then that's proof enough to me that this is just a farce - I don't accept their false narrative. I am awake to this secret combination that Moroni and president Benson warned will sweep over the earth. 

[Metis_LDS]

23 minutes ago, Maedros said:

I don't know that, whether they would or wouldn't attack as a first strike

Hi just curious is your forum name from the character in the Silmarillion by Tolkien?

[Metis_LDS]

Some army experts are starting to say they do not think an invasion of Kyiv will take place.

 

[SkyRock]

NATO engaged in offensive warfare in Libya and Kosovo.  In neither country was NATO attacked.

NATO is an extension of the US empire, not a defensive alliance.   It justifies the continual occupation and domination of Europe by the US.

[pogi]

48 minutes ago, SkyRock said:

It justifies the continual occupation and domination of Europe by the US.

Are you a Russian sympathizer?  Because this sounds just like their propaganda. 

[SkyRock]

58 minutes ago, pogi said:

Are you a Russian sympathizer?  Because this sounds just like their propaganda. 

You are a brainwashed tool?  Have you never studied history, geography, or international relations since your first year of college and only obtained what limited knowledge you have from cable news?

"Are you a Russian sympathizer?"  LOL, only a mindless puppet could even post such.   

Take your weak attempt at 21st McCarthyism and go home.

[MiserereNobis]

2 hours ago, SkyRock said:

NATO engaged in offensive warfare in Libya and Kosovo.  In neither country was NATO attacked.

NATO is an extension of the US empire, not a defensive alliance.   It justifies the continual occupation and domination of Europe by the US.

Do you believe Russia is justified in invading Ukraine?