Stargazer Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Nehor said: I do not believe everything he does is wrong though most of what he does right he does for the wrong reason but you cannot have everything. In fact this coronavirus bill will probably have a lot of good in it and I expect he will sign it. The downside is we will get him bragging about how he made this happen for the next nine months when it is questionable whether he will even know what is in the bill beyond talking points. He will probably lie about what is in it too and about how involved he was. Again, you cannot have everything. Every president claims that what he has done has fixed everything, even if his predecessor started it -- or alternatively blames his predecessor for breaking everything, even his own party who triggered it. Not sure which coronavirus bill you're talking about, but in the last couple of days the Democrats defeated one bill to help those in the country who are suffering unemployment due to the pandemic. They didn't like it because it was Trump who proposed it. 3 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Virtually everything he says is stupid. He just rambles and lies and shares how great he is with everyone with no subtlety. His saying something and it being true have no correlative value. I don't think he is insane. I do think he is a racist xenophobe though and the open racist xenophobes realize it. Have a good listen to Biden sometime. Whichever one he is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGymiFlyl0E Trump does best when he has a prepared speech. Obama stumbled quite a lot, too, when he didn't have something written in front of him. You don't need to tell me that Trump is bombastic and prone to overstating, understating and speaking tripe. But I thought Obama could do a good amount of that, too. I object to the racist argument, though. Before he ran for president he was very popular with the black leadership. I did a bit of research online about this, and there are too many black and latino people who support him to convince me that he's a racist. His support among black voters is actually better than Romney's, by a country mile. His reputation for racism is because everything that can be used as a "dog whistle" has been used as such. And because "Racist!" is the go-to insult for all good occasions these days. Heck I got called a racist once because I failed to criticize Trump enough. And Trump talks a lot and doesn't watch his words carefully enough -- and those who will take offense at anything at all will take offense at everything.
Stargazer Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 18 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Xenophobia is not only about irrational fears. Sorry, I edited my post while you were responding to it. You might find something more to complain about if you go back to it. It's probably pedantic of me, but I prefer words to mean what they mean. From a clinical point of view, a phobia is by definition irrational. Arachnophobia, Triskedekophobia (sp), Claustrophobia and so on. But I suppose that we needn't restrict ourselves to the clinical definition -- but sometimes we end up accusing each other of things are not so at all, just because the thing in question turns out to be a nifty insult. 1
Bernard Gui Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Stargazer said: Every president claims that what he has done has fixed everything, even if his predecessor started it -- or alternatively blames his predecessor for breaking everything, even his own party who triggered it. Not sure which coronavirus bill you're talking about, but in the last couple of days the Democrats defeated one bill to help those in the country who are suffering unemployment due to the pandemic. They didn't like it because it was Trump who proposed it. Have a good listen to Biden sometime. Whichever one he is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGymiFlyl0E Trump does best when he has a prepared speech. Obama stumbled quite a lot, too, when he didn't have something written in front of him. You don't need to tell me that Trump is bombastic and prone to overstating, understating and speaking tripe. But I thought Obama could do a good amount of that, too. I object to the racist argument, though. Before he ran for president he was very popular with the black leadership. I did a bit of research online about this, and there are too many black and latino people who support him to convince me that he's a racist. His support among black voters is actually better than Romney's, by a country mile. His reputation for racism is because everything that can be used as a "dog whistle" has been used as such. And because "Racist!" is the go-to insult for all good occasions these days. Heck I got called a racist once because I failed to criticize Trump enough. And Trump talks a lot and doesn't watch his words carefully enough -- and those who will take offense at anything at all will take offense at everything. I strongly recommend Coddling of the American Mind by Jonathan Haidt and Greg Lukianoff and The Madness of Crowds by Douglas Murray.
Stargazer Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, The Nehor said: If civil liberties are not resumed when it is over I will worry. So will we all. Quote Nope. Unless you count my fists. Fists of Fury! In respect of the political and economic aspects of this pandemic, I suggest a watch of Ben Shapiro's latest: The Un-Askable Question | The Ben Shapiro Show Ep. 978 This just came out about an hour ago. I know you probably don't trust him because he's conservative, but he has some recent news about what's going on. And he's not a Trumpophile -- he will call out Trump when he's wrong. And I should point out that Trump has been praised by some Democrat politicians at the state level (like New York), so it's not all Trumpbombasticism. Edited March 24, 2020 by Stargazer
mfbukowski Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bernard Gui said: Sister Gui just got off the daily tele-conference with her school faculty. They have been assigned to run daycare for first responders, including law enforcement, EMTs, firefighters, health care, etc. The teachers and staff are being asked to "sacrifice" to help the first responders. I understand the need, but it makes no sense to me to get a bunch of kids together whose parents may be carriers, and then send them home to their families at the end of a day of unenforceable social distancing, not to mention the exposure to the faculty and staff and their families. Perhaps I am not seeing the big picture. Sister Gui is exempt because she is over 65 and she has me (a certified geezer) at home. Don't tell anyone I said that. And a geezer that fiddles around, at that! Fiddling around for a living? I hate that, when I geez too much. But it's better than the alternative..... or maybe not! Edited March 24, 2020 by mfbukowski 1
Scott Lloyd Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: And a geezer that fiddles around, at that! Fiddling around for a living? I hate that, when I geez too much. But it's better than the alternative..... or maybe not! As a somewhat newly minted geezer, I’m learning as time goes by that geezerhood has its advantages. Just last night, my wife told me that the local Costco will now be allowing sixty-somethings into the store an hour or two before the normal opening time. That means I can go down there with the other geezers and get first dibs on the toilet paper, bottled water and Clorox. Hurrah for me! 3
Rain Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Bernard Gui said: Sister Gui just got off the daily tele-conference with her school faculty. They have been assigned to run daycare for first responders, including law enforcement, EMTs, firefighters, health care, etc. The teachers and staff are being asked to "sacrifice" to help the first responders. I understand the need, but it makes no sense to me to get a bunch of kids together whose parents may be carriers, and then send them home to their families at the end of a day of unenforceable social distancing, not to mention the exposure to the faculty and staff and their families. Perhaps I am not seeing the big picture. Sister Gui is exempt because she is over 65 and she has me (a certified geezer) at home. Don't tell anyone I said that. I really don't know how it should be done. I know that on my missionary group someone asked about taking care of the children in one of those categories. Now in her case it made sense to say no to the parent asking in my mind, but everyone was replying that we should "follow the prophet and government" and say no to taking care of the kids of first responders because that isn't social distancing. So just what do we do with those kids? 2
Calm Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: As in war time, we need to tone down the partisan rhetoric for the good of the nation and its citizenry. Yes, please. From all sides. This would include not attacking others ones sees as overly partisan, imo, as that tends to instantly ramp stuff up. Edited March 24, 2020 by Calm
Calm Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 5 hours ago, The Nehor said: Historically violent actions in plagues have mostly been against foreigners and (in Europe) Jews. Mad Maxx style craziness is unlikely. https://www.kxan.com/news/hate-crimes-towards-asians-increase-during-coronavirus-pandemic/ https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/489112-website-documents-anti-asian-discrimination-accounts-amid
Nemesis Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 Knock off all the politics. There is still a Site wide moratorium on politics. This is the last warning then we start with site bans instead of topic bans.
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