A Crazy Minnesota Mormon

[Stargazer]

37 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I'm just saying that sometimes some of the LDS artists paint Jesus to be much more white than I believe he would have been, that's all. 

And by the way, it's not just LDS artists. In fact, far far more images of Christ as a white man have been created by non-LDS artists.

[strappinglad]

We don't have any accounts of what the mortal Christ looked like , but I surmise that He wasn't a 6 ft 6 in blond with blue eyes or He wouldn't have been able to melt into the crowd when pursued by authorities. 

We do have a few descriptions of what He looks like Now, and the word brilliant or some synonym is used. ( that is not the British meaning of brilliant particularly ) 

Edited September 6, 2019 by strappinglad

[Stargazer]

1 hour ago, strappinglad said:

We don't have any accounts of what the mortal Christ looked like , but I surmise that He wasn't a 6 ft 6 in blond with blue eyes or He wouldn't have been able to melt into the crowd when pursued by authorities. 

We do have a few descriptions of what He looks like Now, and the word brilliant or some synonym is used. ( that is not the British meaning of brilliant particularly ) 

The only description with any detail that I am aware of is the one in the writings of Josephus, and as I understand it, the authorities believe that description was added long after the death of Josephus and cannot be trusted.

Do you know any different?

[Jake Starkey]

Tempest in a tea port.

[Stargazer]

29 minutes ago, Jake Starkey said:

Tempest in a tea port.

That much is certain.

[strappinglad]

2 hours ago, Stargazer said:

Do you know any different?

nope

I do have a vague memory of a description of Paul by Joseph...small man, high voice ...😁

[strappinglad]

56 minutes ago, Jake Starkey said:

Tempest in a tea port.

Would that be Boston? Dorian is coming ! 

[Bernard Gui]

 

[Robert F. Smith]

On 9/4/2019 at 4:11 PM, smac97 said:

As Ahab correctly points out, every portrait of Christ is false and speculative, and based on people we know in our own day.

What is more interesting is the fact that Obi Wan was conceived by Lucas as a Christ-like character.  See the analysis by Ben Urrutia at https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V11N03_102.pdf .

[Mendocino]

On 9/4/2019 at 7:26 PM, Tacenda said:

The photo doesn't look anything like Jesus would have, too. I read an article and this passed around photo is what they predict he actually looked like.

After lurking for awhile, I've joined to give the reference for this picture and some quotes: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a234/1282186/

This article is entitled "The Real Face of Jesus." Maybe that's click bait. The research team emphasizes that their re-creation is that of an adult man who lived in the same place and at the same time as Jesus.

Because of advances in forensic anthropology, British and Israeli scientists were able to make this reconstruction, using methods similar to those police have developed to solve crimes.

An outgrowth of physical anthropology, forensic anthropology uses cultural and archeological data as well as the physical and biological sciences to study different groups of people, explains A. Midori Albert, a professor who teaches forensic anthropology at the University of North Carolina at Wilmington. Experts in this highly specialized field require a working knowledge of genetics, and human growth and development. In their research they also draw from the fields of primatology, paleoanthropology (the study of primate and human evolution) and human osteology (the study of the skeleton). Even seemingly distant fields like nutrition, dentistry and climate adaptation play a role in this type of investigation.

Matthew's description of the events in Gethsemane offers an obvious clue to the face of Jesus. It is clear that his features were typical of Galilean Semites of his era. And so the first step for Richard Neave, a medical artist retired from The University of Manchester in England, and his research team was to acquire skulls from near Jerusalem, the region where Jesus lived and preached. Semite skulls of this type had previously been found by Israeli archeology experts, who shared them with Neave.

Neave emphasizes that his re-creation is simply that of an adult man who lived in the same place and at the same time as Jesus.

The average build of a Semite male at the time of Jesus was 5 ft. 1 in.

Two key factors could not be determined from the skull—Jesus's hair and coloration. To fill in these parts of the picture, Neave's team turned to drawings found at various archeological sites, dated to the first century. Drawn before the Bible was compiled, they held crucial clues that enabled the researchers to determine that Jesus had dark rather than light-colored eyes. They also pointed out that in keeping with Jewish tradition, he was bearded as well.

Jesus, as drawings from the first century depict, would have had short hair, appropriate to men of the time.

[Tacenda]

4 hours ago, Mendocino said:

After lurking for awhile, I've joined to give the reference for this picture and some quotes: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a234/1282186/

This article is entitled "The Real Face of Jesus." Maybe that's click bait. The research team emphasizes that their re-creation is that of an adult man who lived in the same place and at the same time as Jesus.

Because of advances in forensic anthropology, British and Israeli scientists were able to make this reconstruction, using methods similar to those police have developed to solve crimes.

An outgrowth of physical anthropology, forensic anthropology uses cultural and archeological data as well as the physical and biological sciences to study different groups of people, explains A. Midori Albert, a professor who teaches forensic anthropology at the University of North Carolina at Wilmington. Experts in this highly specialized field require a working knowledge of genetics, and human growth and development. In their research they also draw from the fields of primatology, paleoanthropology (the study of primate and human evolution) and human osteology (the study of the skeleton). Even seemingly distant fields like nutrition, dentistry and climate adaptation play a role in this type of investigation.

Matthew's description of the events in Gethsemane offers an obvious clue to the face of Jesus. It is clear that his features were typical of Galilean Semites of his era. And so the first step for Richard Neave, a medical artist retired from The University of Manchester in England, and his research team was to acquire skulls from near Jerusalem, the region where Jesus lived and preached. Semite skulls of this type had previously been found by Israeli archeology experts, who shared them with Neave.

Neave emphasizes that his re-creation is simply that of an adult man who lived in the same place and at the same time as Jesus.

The average build of a Semite male at the time of Jesus was 5 ft. 1 in.

Two key factors could not be determined from the skull—Jesus's hair and coloration. To fill in these parts of the picture, Neave's team turned to drawings found at various archeological sites, dated to the first century. Drawn before the Bible was compiled, they held crucial clues that enabled the researchers to determine that Jesus had dark rather than light-colored eyes. They also pointed out that in keeping with Jewish tradition, he was bearded as well.

Jesus, as drawings from the first century depict, would have had short hair, appropriate to men of the time.

I'm so glad this got you to post finally, haha!

I didn't go to the effort of posting this awesome back story to the photo. I've seen it in a few articles here and there, but hadn't read this much until now. Welcome to the board and out of lurking mode, been there done that!

[Scott Lloyd]

7 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I'm so glad this got you to post finally, haha!

I didn't go to the effort of posting this awesome back story to the photo. I've seen it in a few articles here and there, but hadn't read this much until now. Welcome to the board and out of lurking mode, been there done that!

I think it should be noted that, contrary to what you said in your post, this is not an image of what “they predict” Jesus looked like. Rather, it is purportedly a “reconstruction” of an image of “an adult man who lived in the same time and at the same place as Jesus.” 

That strikes me as far less sensational of a claim than what is typically and erroneously assumed about this picture, as reflected in your prior post. 

By way of illustration, of the people I can think of who were born about the same time and in the same place as I and who grew up in the same neighborhood, we scarcely resemble one another other than the fact we are all white males. A researcher thousands of years from now could not view a picture of one of them and accurately say, “Scott Lloyd looked like this.”

[Stargazer]

3 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

By way of illustration, of the people I can think of who were born about the same time and in the same place as I and who grew up in the same neighborhood, we scarcely resemble one another other than the fact we are all white males. A researcher thousands of years from now could not view a picture of one of them and accurately say, “Scott Lloyd looked like this.”

The odd thing that occurred to me in connection with this semi-famous image ( @Abulafia used to use it as her avatar) is that it seems to reflect the semi-racist view of some people that "all [members of a certain race] look alike".  

[Tacenda]

3 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

I think it should be noted that, contrary to what you said in your post, this is not an image of what “they predict” Jesus looked like. Rather, it is purportedly a “reconstruction” of an image of “an adult man who lived in the same time and at the same place as Jesus.” 

That strikes me as far less sensational of a claim than what is typically and erroneously assumed about this picture, as reflected in your prior post. 

By way of illustration, of the people I can think of who were born about the same time and in the same place as I and who grew up in the same neighborhood, we scarcely resemble one another other than the fact we are all white males. A researcher thousands of years from now could not view a picture of one of them and accurately say, “Scott Lloyd looked like this.”

I don't know what is up Scott, but you are being mighty nit picky lately to me in posts, and maybe others. You should know by now, I fly off the handle and don't really think too long on what I write on here. I need to choose my words very carefully now I guess. Do you need to come out of retirement Scott? Or write some news articles again? I say this in love, not criticism.

[Stargazer]

Just now, Tacenda said:

I don't know what is up Scott, but you are being mighty nit picky lately to me in posts, and maybe others. You should know by now, I fly off the handle and don't really think too long on what I write on here. I need to choose my words very carefully now I guess. Do you need to come out of retirement Scott? Or write some news articles again? I say this in love, not criticism.

I've noticed this, too. @Scott Lloyd, lighten up!   Maybe write a novel?  

[Scott Lloyd]

12 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

The odd thing that occurred to me in connection with this semi-famous image ( @Abulafia used to use it as her avatar) is that it seems to reflect the semi-racist view of some people that "all [members of a certain race] look alike".  

For a while, I assumed Abulafia was male because she used this as her Avatar. 

[Bernard Gui]

8 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

As Ahab correctly points out, every portrait of Christ is false and speculative, and based on people we know in our own day.

What is more interesting is the fact that Obi Wan was conceived by Lucas as a Christ-like character.  See the analysis by Ben Urrutia at https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V11N03_102.pdf .

[mrmarklin]

52 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

Too old to be Jesus.

He died at age 33.

[Stargazer]

1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said:

For a while, I assumed Abulafia was male because she used this as her Avatar. 

Same here!

And I could actually be a space alien in disguise, for all you know!

[Bernard Gui]

1 hour ago, mrmarklin said:

Too old to be Jesus.

He died at age 33.

No. He lives. 

Besides, life expectancy was shorter back then. 

Alec Guinness looks more like a prophet. I would much rather see him on a sacrament program cover than Ewan McGregor. Much more dignified.

Edited September 6, 2019 by Bernard Gui

[Robert F. Smith]

On 9/4/2019 at 6:26 PM, Tacenda said:

The photo doesn't look anything like Jesus would have, too. I read an article and this passed around photo is what they predict he actually looked like.

Not far off, Tacenda.  However, he didn't have to look ugly.  He might have looked more like this modern Israeli Jew whose parents came from Yemen:

Note that this Israeli, dressed for his wedding, is Semitic, not Caucasian.

[Avatar4321]

For a minute I thought this thread was going to be about me.

It looks like he did this in an attempt to be funny. If so he failed miserably at what he was supposed to be doing: bringing the Spirit to the meeting.

There are things that aren't appropriate for sacrament meeting. Irreverence is one of those things.

Edited September 7, 2019 by Avatar4321

[alter idem]

On 9/4/2019 at 6:26 PM, Tacenda said:

The photo doesn't look anything like Jesus would have, too. I read an article and this passed around photo is what they predict he actually looked like.

 This is a reconstruction of a skull.  Here are more skull reconstructions from the same area and time.

https://www.visiontv.ca/2013/04/08/biblical-forensics-a-new-series-bringing-biblical-faces-back-to-life/

 

Seems like there was variation in features and there's room for speculation as to what he actually did look like.

[Mendocino]

On 9/6/2019 at 9:43 AM, Scott Lloyd said:

I think it should be noted that, contrary to what you said in your post, this is not an image of what “they predict” Jesus looked like. Rather, it is purportedly a “reconstruction” of an image of “an adult man who lived in the same time and at the same place as Jesus.” 

That strikes me as far less sensational of a claim than what is typically and erroneously assumed about this picture, as reflected in your prior post. 

By way of illustration, of the people I can think of who were born about the same time and in the same place as I and who grew up in the same neighborhood, we scarcely resemble one another other than the fact we are all white males. A researcher thousands of years from now could not view a picture of one of them and accurately say, “Scott Lloyd looked like this.”

It's a pretty safe bet no one in Jesus' neighborhood looked like this:

white-jesus.jpg.webp

[Mendocino]

Apologies for not being familiar with the technology. I was trying to insert a depiction of a white version of Jesus, but the choose file and insert image from URL attempts weren't successful.

Tacenda, thank you for the welcome.