Analytics Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 19 hours ago, mnn727 said: So far President Nelson has made some major changes: All but got rid of High Priests Changed HT and VT programs to Ministering Asked us to stop using the name "Mormon" Changed from a 3 hour block to a 2 hour block So, what are your predictions for what other changes will happen between now and the next Conference? The next logical thing is to end prosylitizing missions--after 2019, all missions will be service missions. 1
The Nehor Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Analytics said: The next logical thing is to end prosylitizing missions--after 2019, all missions will be service missions. I hope not.
Bernard Gui Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 18 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said: the Lord has just finished laying the foundation of the Restoration; now it's time to build the actual temple. What do you think that will look like?
mnn727 Posted October 16, 2018 Author Posted October 16, 2018 Well, I'm just hoping for a modern English version of Scriptures being approved for use in Church.
The Nehor Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 32 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said: What do you think that will look like? Hopefully lots of gargoyles.
Avatar4321 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Analytics said: The next logical thing is to end prosylitizing missions--after 2019, all missions will be service missions. I see nothing logical about that
Avatar4321 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 25 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Hopefully lots of gargoyles. Looking for a date?;) 1
The Nehor Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said: Looking for a date?;) Hey baby! Yo, baby! 1
Thinking Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 Members will be commanded to cancel their memberships in any online religious discussion boards because the Church will create an official discussion board for members and selected non-members. The board will be called TheBoard@TempleSquare and will be moderated by Daniel Peterson and Scott Lloyd. 1
rockpond Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 3 hours ago, mfbukowski said: I think you do not understand the preparation needed to pull these off. Allocating resources, finding sites, architectural approvals, permits, persuading city councils, it's just a little more than starting to build a house by digging a foundation. I understand it quite well... I work in commercial real estate and development. It wasn’t a criticism of the length of time it takes to build a temple. If, each year, we announce far more temples than we dedicate, than at some point the backlog becomes so long that the announcements start to lose their significance. The Urdaneta Phillipines temple was announced 8 years ago and they have not yet scheduled a groundbreaking. Then again, LA and SLC temples still eclipse that timeline. So there’s that. We dedicated four new temples in 2017. I assume that number is ramping up. Anyone know where we are for 2018?
Analytics Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Avatar4321 said: I see nothing logical about that First get rid of home treaching. Then cut the time you spend in church. This fits that pattern. Prosylitizing missions are generally a huge waste of time and money and on most hours of most days aren't very good experiences for most missionaries. If they make missions service missions, it will improve the reputation of the Church phenomienally, and will give missionaries a better experience. And sinse they will be networking in a more estimable way, it will probably have the side effect of actually increasing convert baptisms. Moving in this direction totally fits with how the church is trying to paint itself. For example: Edited October 16, 2018 by Analytics
The Nehor Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Thinking said: Members will be commanded to cancel their memberships in any online religious discussion boards because the Church will create an official discussion board for members and selected non-members. The board will be called TheBoard@TempleSquare and will be moderated by Daniel Peterson and Scott Lloyd. The Nehor is banned two hours after the board is established. 2
Popular Post ksfisher Posted October 16, 2018 Popular Post Posted October 16, 2018 19 minutes ago, Analytics said: Prosylitizing missions are generally a huge waste of time and money The scriptures have a different view: And now, behold, I say unto you, that the thing which will be of the most worth unto you will be to declare repentance unto this people, that you may bring souls unto me, that you may rest with them in the kingdom of my Father. (D&C 15:6) And if it so be that you should labor all your days in crying repentance unto this people, and bring, save it be one soul unto me, how great shall be your joy with him in the kingdom of my Father! (D&C 18:15) Behold, I sent you out to testify and warn the people, and it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor. (D&C 88:81) 5
Gray Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 34 minutes ago, The Nehor said: The Nehor is banned two hours after the board is established. An optimist! 2
Hamba Tuhan Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 6 hours ago, Bernard Gui said: What do you think that will look like? 'For Zion must increase in beauty, and in holiness; her borders must be enlarged; her stakes must be strengthened; yea, verily I say unto you, Zion must arise and put on her beautiful garments'. 'And, now, behold, if Zion do these things she shall prosper, and spread herself and become very glorious, very great, and very terrible'. 1
Avatar4321 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: 'For Zion must increase in beauty, and in holiness; her borders must be enlarged; her stakes must be strengthened; yea, verily I say unto you, Zion must arise and put on her beautiful garments'. 'And, now, behold, if Zion do these things she shall prosper, and spread herself and become very glorious, very great, and very terrible'. Beauty. What do you think that means? I don't just mean you @Hamba Tuhan. What does everyone think the Lord means by beauty?
Hamba Tuhan Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, Avatar4321 said: Beauty. What do you think that means? I don't just mean you @Hamba Tuhan. What does everyone think the Lord means by beauty? When we humbly, faithfully seek to do as instructed, the gospel works perfectly. It creates a community that is strong enough to carry everyone, welcoming enough to accept everyone, and transformative enough to change everyone. We have access to power: priesthood, revelation, prophecy, visions, angels, etc. -- all for the blessing and edifying of others. Whenever we gather in meetings, we leave having been built up, instructed, and inspired. Enthusiasm is so contagious that it's hard not to want to join the cause. Our worship services are so filled with the Spirit that people driving past feel compelled to stop and check out what they felt. There are no manner of -ites. I've experienced all of the above, though usually not in concert. Now put it all together. It's beautiful! 2
The Nehor Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said: Beauty. What do you think that means? I don't just mean you @Hamba Tuhan. What does everyone think the Lord means by beauty? Some kind of physical transformation of the ugly and plain people?
Analytics Posted October 17, 2018 Posted October 17, 2018 3 hours ago, ksfisher said: The scriptures have a different view: And now, behold, I say unto you, that the thing which will be of the most worth unto you will be to declare repentance unto this people, that you may bring souls unto me, that you may rest with them in the kingdom of my Father. (D&C 15:6) And if it so be that you should labor all your days in crying repentance unto this people, and bring, save it be one soul unto me, how great shall be your joy with him in the kingdom of my Father! (D&C 18:15) Behold, I sent you out to testify and warn the people, and it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor. (D&C 88:81) The scriptures say many things...
Popular Post Hamba Tuhan Posted October 17, 2018 Popular Post Posted October 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Avatar4321 said: What does everyone think the Lord means by beauty? A very recent example. About one year ago, I got a phone call from the full-time missionaries in another ward. They had received a phone call from a very distraught member of the Church who was in her car at a suburban shopping centre in our ward. Could I help her? they asked. I said I could. I left work and headed to the shopping centre. Within minutes of talking to this sister, I suggested to her that she might want a blessing. She was sobbing uncontrollably and said she'd been contemplating suicide. She agreed to the blessing but didn't know how to make that happen. I told her we had an elderly couple in our ward who lived at the end of the street, so she followed me to their house. It was a surprise when we two showed up unannounced, but the couple graciously invited us into their home and quickly did all they could to comfort this woman. She shared her story, which involved her non-member husband asking for a divorce (and heaps of ugly stuff I've forgot the details of). The elderly brother and I then laid our hands on her head and pronounced upon her a blessing from the Lord. It was long and detailed. I was given very clear and detailed information on what to say in relation to her situation -- far beyond anything she had told us -- and what she could do to navigate it in a way that would secure the Lord's blessings (including things that she could say and do that would make sense to her husband). As I spoke, the sobs stopped, and when we said amen, she was at peace. She thanked us, got in her car, and drove away. I immediately forgot her name and what ward she lived in. This meant that I had no way of following up on her, but I thought of her now and then, including again just this past weekend whilst watching the sessions of General Conference. As I thought, I offered up a prayer that she was OK. I worked late last night, and as I was working, I got a phone call from an unknown number. It was this sister. She was ringing to ask if she could meet with the stake president for her first temple recommend. I didn't recognise the name or her voice at this point. Then she said, 'I want to thank you so much for the blessing you gave me last year. It completely changed everything for the better'. I then told her that I didn't know what she was talking about. She reminded me of who she was. Excited, I told her I'd just been praying for her a couple of days ago. 'I hope you're better', I said. 'So much better', she replied. 'Everything is fixed. I'm going to the temple! Thank you. The blessing was exactly what I needed to go forwards'. It is truly beautiful to be in a position to bless others in such a way, and it is truly beautiful to see it all work. 10
Bernard Gui Posted October 17, 2018 Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said: 'For Zion must increase in beauty, and in holiness; her borders must be enlarged; her stakes must be strengthened; yea, verily I say unto you, Zion must arise and put on her beautiful garments'. 'And, now, behold, if Zion do these things she shall prosper, and spread herself and become very glorious, very great, and very terrible'. Make Zion Great Again! I like the terrible part. What will that be like? Putting on weight, getting new clothes and makeup? Not so much. Just kidding. How will this un-Utah-Western-Americanize the Church. Edited October 17, 2018 by Bernard Gui
Bernard Gui Posted October 17, 2018 Posted October 17, 2018 9 hours ago, The Nehor said: Hopefully lots of gargoyles. I prefer lots of tardigrades. 1
Robert F. Smith Posted October 17, 2018 Posted October 17, 2018 17 hours ago, rongo said: Not according to my children's patriarchal blessings. According to them, they will have grandchildren at least before the "winding up scenes."................................... I was speaking tongue-in-cheek, of course.
HappyJackWagon Posted October 17, 2018 Posted October 17, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 4:10 PM, rongo said: I'm a little concerned with what my dad calls the "Twitter Mormons' " hysteria about expecting each Conference to have bigger and more surprising changes, outdoing the last Conference each time. Not only is this unrealistic, but I think that this particular group ("Twitter Mormons") tends to let their let-downs and disappointments when their hopes and expectations aren't realized turn into criticism or unrest. Granted, it is exciting and refreshing to have sweeping changes in these first two under President Nelson. I just don't want to see people getting frustrated or angry when we have "normal" no-changes Conferences. It would be too bad if too many people feel like it was a "dud" conference if there weren't sweeping changes. The OP is in a spirit of just for fun (and it is), but there is an underlying feeling under the surface that feeds into this phenomenon. I think it manifests itself in things like the whooping and hollering during temple announcements. Like this is a Twittergrambook thing with likes/dislikes and a need to preen for the audience. With respect, I think church leaders are fanning the flames of that phenomena with their revelation snowstorm rhetoric. IIRC Pres. Nelson recently made some kind of statement to the effect that the amount of revelation today is "unprecedented". I'm not sure how a statement like that could be taken seriously, but whatever. Leaders are ratcheting up the expectations. IMO it is their own problem when they don't live up to those expectations. Are the brethren "twitter Mormons" or rather "Twitter members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"? Or are they just trying to capitalize on Twitterers by attempting to maximize excitement for conference? 1
rockpond Posted October 17, 2018 Posted October 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said: With respect, I think church leaders are fanning the flames of that phenomena with their revelation snowstorm rhetoric. IIRC Pres. Nelson recently made some kind of statement to the effect that the amount of revelation today is "unprecedented". I'm not sure how a statement like that could be taken seriously, but whatever. Leaders are ratcheting up the expectations. IMO it is their own problem when they don't live up to those expectations. Are the brethren "twitter Mormons" or rather "Twitter members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"? Or are they just trying to capitalize on Twitterers by attempting to maximize excitement for conference? It's true. The hype for this conference came from the Brethren themselves. In the end, I'm curious what new revelation we might identify from this conference? (Not that new revelation is required, but it certainly had been alluded to.) The block change and home study plan seems to have been in the works for a long time, likely started before Pres. Monson's passing. And the renewed emphasis on the name of the Church was announced before conference. And, it was something that Pres. Nelson had taught decades earlier.
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